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EPA's Looming Blackouts
IBD Editorials ^ | August 22, 2011 | Staff

Posted on 08/22/2011 4:53:03 PM PDT by Kaslin

Energy: It won't matter which light bulbs we use as the administration's implementation of cross-state pollution rules shuts down coal plants across the country. Where will the jobs be when the lights go out?

It's called the Cross-State Pollution Rule, announced last month, and its implementation over the next 18 months will likely result in the loss of a fifth of the nation's electricity-generating capacity.

The result will be likely power shortages, skyrocketing rates and inevitable brownouts and rolling blackouts.

Based on Bush-era EPA proposals that the federal courts threw out in 2008, this latest example of legislation is designed to usurp state powers to regulate their in-state emissions by making it a federal issue on the grounds pollution crosses state lines.

The rule requires coal companies in 27 states to slash emissions of sulfur dioxide and nitrogen dioxide by 73% and 54%, respectively, from 2005 levels by 2014. "Just because wind and weather will carry air pollution away from its source at a local power plant doesn't mean that pollution is no longer that plant's responsibility," says Environmental Protection Agency Chief Lisa Jackson.

The targets are states such as Texas that not only resist federal encroachment on their powers but dare to try to balance environmental quality. The EPA claims huge health gains as its justification, but those claims are in doubt. Poverty and joblessness, which this and other EPA rules will create, carry their own health risks.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; US: Texas
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1 posted on 08/22/2011 4:53:05 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I’m really looking forward to blackouts in a Michigan January.

That’s what you get when you put up windmills instead of reliable coal, gas, hydro, or nuclear generation plants.


2 posted on 08/22/2011 4:57:17 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: Kaslin

With all the energy sources the US has; we should not have these blackouts period.


3 posted on 08/22/2011 4:57:34 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Kaslin

The estimates I’ve read were %9 of the entire country’s energy production being shut down by these obama thugs. Can someone more knowledgeable please elaborate or correct me?


4 posted on 08/22/2011 4:58:48 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Kaslin

This is just right wring extreme fear mongering . .


5 posted on 08/22/2011 4:59:49 PM PDT by RushingWater
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To: freekitty

The USSR (Russia - to the youngsters) also had enormous energy reserves but kept the people cold and energy starved.

Has nothing to do with energy and everything to do with controlling people.


6 posted on 08/22/2011 5:00:36 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: freekitty

I’m tempted to build a coal furnace just so I can burn the damn coal.

Wonder what a truckload of coal costs these days.


7 posted on 08/22/2011 5:01:46 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: cripplecreek

No kidding! It was 103 here today (down to 99 now - woo hoo!). When my kids were little, we had a big ol high-ceiling built-for-the-climate house without A/C in the main living area, but the bedrooms were air-conditioned, and I don’t want to think of having to spend much time without A/C right now. It would go beyond miserable to life threatening. Much like Michigan in January. Or, December, or February, or...


8 posted on 08/22/2011 5:02:15 PM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: Kaslin

If we don’t stand up against the EPA we deserve to freeze!!


9 posted on 08/22/2011 5:02:54 PM PDT by PALIN SMITH (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: allmost

I think that the correct figure is 20% of coal produced electricity— which comes out to 8-10% of all our electric capacity.


10 posted on 08/22/2011 5:03:04 PM PDT by Lysandru
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To: cripplecreek

Have a listen to this on the Frank Beckmann show today:

Gerry Anderson

(August 22) - Gerry Anderson, Chairman and CEO of DTE Energy, get ready for a wave of coal-plant shutdowns

http://www.wjr.com/FlashPlayer/default.asp?SPID=38702&ID=2267605

We are going to have plants shut down here.


11 posted on 08/22/2011 5:04:17 PM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: allmost
allmost wrote:
The estimates I’ve read were %9 of the entire country’s energy production being shut down by these obama thugs. Can someone more knowledgeable please elaborate or correct me?
You have it about right.

And these coal fired plants will be shut down within 6 months. The problem is, even as a "work around," building transmission lines to import power to the areas served by those plants will take a few years to build. Building replacment generating plants could take decades.

Rolling blackouts will be the new normal in many states next year. Just in time for elections.

This assumes that the states put up with these regs, and the power plants operators actually shut down the "dirty" coal plants.

It's getting close to time to "just say NO!" to the EPA.

Perhaps Perry will tell operators in Texas to ignore those EPA thugs. I would support Governor Scott in my state telling the EPA to go pound sand.

12 posted on 08/22/2011 5:04:33 PM PDT by cc2k ( If having an "R" makes you conservative, does walking into a barn make you a horse's (_*_)?)
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To: OpusatFR
I live in Michigan and we have all the heat and electricity we need right under my feet. Too bad the feds and state have made it virtually untouchable. Fred Upton was one of the idiots who voted for the great lakes directional drilling ban.

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13 posted on 08/22/2011 5:05:24 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: cripplecreek

Yes its not just going to be Texas. We have been afraid of this ever since Soetoro took office. We are buying a retirement retreat and putting in an alternative electrical system either solar or micro hydro depending on the property we finally settle on. There are some really great systems out there. We are going to install an off grid system so if we get a solar flare or an EMP it will not be tied directly to our circuit box. If the electric grid goes down then we will power up the alternative system.

In the next 15 mos until we can get this insane Marxist out of office he is going to try to destroy the electrical grid and everything else in this country. You should have a water filter, 6-12 mos of food, weapons and an alternative electrical system of some kind.


14 posted on 08/22/2011 5:06:32 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Kaslin
We in California have already been there before! (and it cost us a cool $30 billion in bond costs).

We STILL lead the way!!!

15 posted on 08/22/2011 5:06:54 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: freekitty
What energy sources are you referring to? Coal accounts for about 48.5 of our generation and that is spread across the nation but heavy in certain areas. Wind and solar are a silly pipe dream. We have a good mix but when you remove a significant portion of something as large a coal you are going to have problems, serious problems.
16 posted on 08/22/2011 5:07:29 PM PDT by WHBates
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To: Kaslin

“Fundamentally transforming America” one regulation at a time. A lot of people thought he was kidding.....


17 posted on 08/22/2011 5:07:29 PM PDT by radioone (Don't let the media pick our nominee. "Palin 2012")
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To: cc2k
I wouldn't count to heavily on Perry either. He's proud of the fact that Texas leads the nation in wind generated power.

Gov. Rick Perry: Wind Energy Keeps Texas' Air Clean and Our Future Bright

Texas doesn't just believe in the potential of wind energy, we are reaping its benefits already. People who talk about wind energy as a technology of the future clearly haven't been to West Texas lately: the future of wind energy in Texas is now. I probably don't need to spend too much time talking about the benefits of wind energy to a bunch of people who specialize in this remarkable technology, but a few things really stand out for me. I am proud that our state's installed wind generation capacity leads the nation, a place we did not reach by accident.

(snip)

Just last year, nearly $3 billion worth of wind-powered electric generators were installed, twice as much as any other state. This addition of more than 1,600 megawatts of capacity bumped up our total wind capacity by 59 percent. And the hits keep on coming. For example, this afternoon, one of the world's largest manufacturers of alternative energy equipment is announcing a new research facility here in Houston. And I recently got word that Hill Country Wind Power has acquired the Wind Turbine Company and is moving their manufacturing operations from Bellevue, Washington to the Lone Star state. With progress like this, I am confident we'll hit the next milestone, 10,000 megawatts, or 10% of our current capacity, well before the deadline in 2025.



18 posted on 08/22/2011 5:08:34 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: cripplecreek

Cripplecreek, sounds like your in Battle Creek! I have bought a generator that will (hopefully) keep me warm when those idiots roll those blackouts. I’m in Sturgis.


19 posted on 08/22/2011 5:10:11 PM PDT by sig229 (The loonie left "FLUNKED" human nature 101)
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To: quantim

Consumers energy has informed us that they won’t be building the long planned coal fired plant, they’re building a wind farm and raising rates. Idiots


20 posted on 08/22/2011 5:11:36 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: Kaslin

I hate the EPA.

Truly and earnestly.


21 posted on 08/22/2011 5:11:54 PM PDT by Humble Servant
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To: sig229

I’m in the far southeastern corner of Jackson county.


22 posted on 08/22/2011 5:12:32 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: cripplecreek

“I’m tempted to build a coal furnace”

Friend of mine has a Corn Furnace for his house and keeps very warm.

Not recommending this brand. Just an example:

http://www.cornheat.com/corn_furnace.html


23 posted on 08/22/2011 5:13:22 PM PDT by radioone (Don't let the media pick our nominee. "Palin 2012")
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To: cripplecreek


Do you have your personal edition yet?
24 posted on 08/22/2011 5:14:29 PM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: cc2k
Nice box at the top for a quote. I like it.:)

The low end estimate(minus illegals) leaves 27 million people without power at any given time. Unless we have a huge surplus of energy somewhere... anywhere?... crickets. Damn. Time to start working on that water mill project...
25 posted on 08/22/2011 5:14:43 PM PDT by allmost
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To: cripplecreek

The problem with wind of course is the it has a ridiculously low capacity factor (below 35%) even in good wind locations and very poor reliability.


26 posted on 08/22/2011 5:15:44 PM PDT by WHBates
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To: radioone

Nah I just wanna burn the coal for the hell of it.

Coal bonfires even.


27 posted on 08/22/2011 5:16:23 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: Kaslin

Jeff Duncan is having a “listening” town hall here in Aiken County next week. He will definitely hear from me on this. Loud and clear!


28 posted on 08/22/2011 5:17:24 PM PDT by upchuck (Rerun: Think you know hardship? Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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To: Kaslin

In a war, one of the prime tactics is to cut off the enemy’s fuel supply. Since that is clearly the main objective of the American Left, including the Media, the Democrat party, and the Eco-fascists, they have, in fact, been waging war on this country. They are Traitors of the highest order.

Damn them all.

Or, as Maxine Waters would say, “They can all go straight to Hell.”


29 posted on 08/22/2011 5:17:28 PM PDT by Humble Servant
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To: WHBates

There’s also the simple science that tells us that the wind will be minimal at the times of highest demand.


30 posted on 08/22/2011 5:18:04 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: Humble Servant

The left is working both ends! CO2 is the exhaust of coal plants, natural gas, diesel, and gasoline engines. Just like Eddy Murphy in “Beverly Hills Cop”, they are stuffing a banana up our tailpipe in order to shutdown the engine!


31 posted on 08/22/2011 5:26:27 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: Kaslin

I can’t believe the comments on this thread.
Grow some balls and “just say NO!”
“Hell no, we are not going to allow this to happen.” the EPA is a criminal organization albeit inefficient like all the federal government.
Lisa Jackson and her CO2 greenhouse gas, global warming garbage is a blatant attempt to jack up energy cost and hand GE and other contributors a quid pro quo.
Shut er down!


32 posted on 08/22/2011 5:33:55 PM PDT by free from tyranny
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To: cripplecreek

The mandates that the EPA has been pushing on us lately are bordering on insanity. I guess that’s what happens when you don’t hire engineers, scientists, or field experts to run an organization, but instead let enviro-lunatics run the show. Start putting up firewood, and hope it isn’t as cold as last winter.


33 posted on 08/22/2011 5:36:21 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: allmost

Well, how the #@#$@ are people supposed to charge their electric cars in order to get to work? Oh...never mind.


34 posted on 08/22/2011 5:36:53 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: quantim

Isn’t that pinwheel supposed to be mounted on a bicycle? That would kill two birds with one stone!


35 posted on 08/22/2011 5:38:35 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: freekitty

We will have blackouts for the same reason we do not completely annihilate any enemy we fight. Our political correctness causes us to tie our own hands behind our backs - for no reason in my opinion.


36 posted on 08/22/2011 5:41:27 PM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Government rushes to help the irresponsible and does little for the responsible)
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To: WHBates

We have natural gas coming out our you know what and Texas is on 20% wind which is a joke.


37 posted on 08/22/2011 5:43:22 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: cripplecreek
Nah I just wanna burn the coal for the hell of it.

Coal bonfires even.

I like it.

I like it a lot.

38 posted on 08/22/2011 5:44:49 PM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$ or PETA.)
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To: cripplecreek

Yep, sitting on a lot of energy we can’t even touch. There’s still some operating oil wells up here in the thumb of MI, but operating for how long is anybody’s guess. Prohibiting drilling here is just plain ridiculous.


39 posted on 08/22/2011 5:47:51 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: factoryrat

We do drill for oil all over the place in Michigan but I think the quality is pretty low.

I can hear a new drilling rig near me off in the distance.


40 posted on 08/22/2011 5:54:31 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: cripplecreek

Sounds good to me.


41 posted on 08/22/2011 5:55:19 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Nachum; markomalley; Clairity; Carlucci; grey_whiskers; meyer; WL-law; Para-Ord.45; ...

Fascism ping.


42 posted on 08/22/2011 5:55:39 PM PDT by raptor22 (Join me on Twitter @gerfingerpoken)
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To: cripplecreek

Can you find coal period?


43 posted on 08/22/2011 5:55:54 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: freekitty
We have natural gas coming out our you know what and Texas is on 20% wind which is a joke.

The problem is that coal plant are base load plants and using gas for base load is crazy expensive and putting any kind of generation unit on-line takes years and years. Just the permit process (through the EPA BTW) takes years before you can even break ground and the line to purchase the generator and structural steel is very long since we do not produce any steel anymore. These people are ruining the country.

44 posted on 08/22/2011 5:56:34 PM PDT by WHBates
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To: OpusatFR

I would not be adverse to throwing Obama in jail along with the people behind him.


45 posted on 08/22/2011 5:57:11 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: The Antiyuppie
Two steps.
Step #1: Sacrifice all of your morals/spiritual well being to the party.
Step #2: Plug in at the coal fired plant's outlet available to party members.

46 posted on 08/22/2011 5:58:54 PM PDT by allmost
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To: cripplecreek
There’s also the simple science that tells us that the wind will be minimal at the times of highest demand.

Hence the crappy capacity factor.

47 posted on 08/22/2011 5:59:45 PM PDT by WHBates
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To: Kaslin
Ahhh, the good old days. When people are forced to start burning wood and coal for heat in their homes, along with using kerosene lamps for light. Obama just wants us to appreciate the way things used to be. I love the literary references... Atlas shrugged?

Remember when Dear Leader told us that electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket? Or when he said that if a utility were to open a new coal fired plant, "we'll bankrupt them!" But then with "global warming, maybe nobody will notice the higher electricity rates since it will be so warm. Of course, remember what happened in France due to the excessive heat last year... How many thousand of elderly died because of a lack of energy and air conditioning? Of course, maybe that's the idea to save social security and medicare... Kill the elderly? Or is that only the republican answer to health care, as so aptly stated by the leftist loon from FL?

Mark

48 posted on 08/22/2011 6:05:30 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: freekitty

As of 2008 the retail price was $5.75 per ton. I looks like you actually can buy coal for home use in a few places.

http://www.shtfblog.com/coal-for-home-heating-made-in-the-usa/


49 posted on 08/22/2011 6:09:01 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: OpusatFR
Has nothing to do with energy and everything to do with controlling people.

DING DING DING DING!! No more calls, please, we have a winner!

Artificial scarcity, with which to play "devotion games" with the public. "You really believe in us, right? You bellyfeel Ingsoc, right? You bellyfeel Big Brother, right?"

50 posted on 08/22/2011 6:10:17 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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