Skip to comments.EPA's Looming Blackouts
Posted on 08/22/2011 4:53:03 PM PDT by Kaslin
Energy: It won't matter which light bulbs we use as the administration's implementation of cross-state pollution rules shuts down coal plants across the country. Where will the jobs be when the lights go out?
It's called the Cross-State Pollution Rule, announced last month, and its implementation over the next 18 months will likely result in the loss of a fifth of the nation's electricity-generating capacity.
The result will be likely power shortages, skyrocketing rates and inevitable brownouts and rolling blackouts.
Based on Bush-era EPA proposals that the federal courts threw out in 2008, this latest example of legislation is designed to usurp state powers to regulate their in-state emissions by making it a federal issue on the grounds pollution crosses state lines.
The rule requires coal companies in 27 states to slash emissions of sulfur dioxide and nitrogen dioxide by 73% and 54%, respectively, from 2005 levels by 2014. "Just because wind and weather will carry air pollution away from its source at a local power plant doesn't mean that pollution is no longer that plant's responsibility," says Environmental Protection Agency Chief Lisa Jackson.
The targets are states such as Texas that not only resist federal encroachment on their powers but dare to try to balance environmental quality. The EPA claims huge health gains as its justification, but those claims are in doubt. Poverty and joblessness, which this and other EPA rules will create, carry their own health risks.
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I’m really looking forward to blackouts in a Michigan January.
That’s what you get when you put up windmills instead of reliable coal, gas, hydro, or nuclear generation plants.
With all the energy sources the US has; we should not have these blackouts period.
The estimates I’ve read were %9 of the entire country’s energy production being shut down by these obama thugs. Can someone more knowledgeable please elaborate or correct me?
This is just right wring extreme fear mongering . .
The USSR (Russia - to the youngsters) also had enormous energy reserves but kept the people cold and energy starved.
Has nothing to do with energy and everything to do with controlling people.
I’m tempted to build a coal furnace just so I can burn the damn coal.
Wonder what a truckload of coal costs these days.
No kidding! It was 103 here today (down to 99 now - woo hoo!). When my kids were little, we had a big ol high-ceiling built-for-the-climate house without A/C in the main living area, but the bedrooms were air-conditioned, and I don’t want to think of having to spend much time without A/C right now. It would go beyond miserable to life threatening. Much like Michigan in January. Or, December, or February, or...
If we don’t stand up against the EPA we deserve to freeze!!
I think that the correct figure is 20% of coal produced electricity— which comes out to 8-10% of all our electric capacity.
Have a listen to this on the Frank Beckmann show today:
(August 22) - Gerry Anderson, Chairman and CEO of DTE Energy, get ready for a wave of coal-plant shutdowns
We are going to have plants shut down here.
You have it about right.
The estimates Ive read were %9 of the entire countrys energy production being shut down by these obama thugs. Can someone more knowledgeable please elaborate or correct me?
And these coal fired plants will be shut down within 6 months. The problem is, even as a "work around," building transmission lines to import power to the areas served by those plants will take a few years to build. Building replacment generating plants could take decades.
Rolling blackouts will be the new normal in many states next year. Just in time for elections.
This assumes that the states put up with these regs, and the power plants operators actually shut down the "dirty" coal plants.
It's getting close to time to "just say NO!" to the EPA.
Perhaps Perry will tell operators in Texas to ignore those EPA thugs. I would support Governor Scott in my state telling the EPA to go pound sand.
Yes its not just going to be Texas. We have been afraid of this ever since Soetoro took office. We are buying a retirement retreat and putting in an alternative electrical system either solar or micro hydro depending on the property we finally settle on. There are some really great systems out there. We are going to install an off grid system so if we get a solar flare or an EMP it will not be tied directly to our circuit box. If the electric grid goes down then we will power up the alternative system.
In the next 15 mos until we can get this insane Marxist out of office he is going to try to destroy the electrical grid and everything else in this country. You should have a water filter, 6-12 mos of food, weapons and an alternative electrical system of some kind.
We STILL lead the way!!!
“Fundamentally transforming America” one regulation at a time. A lot of people thought he was kidding.....
Cripplecreek, sounds like your in Battle Creek! I have bought a generator that will (hopefully) keep me warm when those idiots roll those blackouts. I’m in Sturgis.
Consumers energy has informed us that they won’t be building the long planned coal fired plant, they’re building a wind farm and raising rates. Idiots
I hate the EPA.
Truly and earnestly.
I’m in the far southeastern corner of Jackson county.
“Im tempted to build a coal furnace”
Friend of mine has a Corn Furnace for his house and keeps very warm.
Not recommending this brand. Just an example:
The problem with wind of course is the it has a ridiculously low capacity factor (below 35%) even in good wind locations and very poor reliability.
Nah I just wanna burn the coal for the hell of it.
Coal bonfires even.
Jeff Duncan is having a “listening” town hall here in Aiken County next week. He will definitely hear from me on this. Loud and clear!
In a war, one of the prime tactics is to cut off the enemy’s fuel supply. Since that is clearly the main objective of the American Left, including the Media, the Democrat party, and the Eco-fascists, they have, in fact, been waging war on this country. They are Traitors of the highest order.
Damn them all.
Or, as Maxine Waters would say, “They can all go straight to Hell.”
There’s also the simple science that tells us that the wind will be minimal at the times of highest demand.
The left is working both ends! CO2 is the exhaust of coal plants, natural gas, diesel, and gasoline engines. Just like Eddy Murphy in “Beverly Hills Cop”, they are stuffing a banana up our tailpipe in order to shutdown the engine!
I can’t believe the comments on this thread.
Grow some balls and “just say NO!”
“Hell no, we are not going to allow this to happen.” the EPA is a criminal organization albeit inefficient like all the federal government.
Lisa Jackson and her CO2 greenhouse gas, global warming garbage is a blatant attempt to jack up energy cost and hand GE and other contributors a quid pro quo.
Shut er down!
The mandates that the EPA has been pushing on us lately are bordering on insanity. I guess that’s what happens when you don’t hire engineers, scientists, or field experts to run an organization, but instead let enviro-lunatics run the show. Start putting up firewood, and hope it isn’t as cold as last winter.
Well, how the #@#$@ are people supposed to charge their electric cars in order to get to work? Oh...never mind.
Isn’t that pinwheel supposed to be mounted on a bicycle? That would kill two birds with one stone!
We will have blackouts for the same reason we do not completely annihilate any enemy we fight. Our political correctness causes us to tie our own hands behind our backs - for no reason in my opinion.
We have natural gas coming out our you know what and Texas is on 20% wind which is a joke.
Coal bonfires even.
I like it.
I like it a lot.
Yep, sitting on a lot of energy we can’t even touch. There’s still some operating oil wells up here in the thumb of MI, but operating for how long is anybody’s guess. Prohibiting drilling here is just plain ridiculous.
We do drill for oil all over the place in Michigan but I think the quality is pretty low.
I can hear a new drilling rig near me off in the distance.
Sounds good to me.
Can you find coal period?
The problem is that coal plant are base load plants and using gas for base load is crazy expensive and putting any kind of generation unit on-line takes years and years. Just the permit process (through the EPA BTW) takes years before you can even break ground and the line to purchase the generator and structural steel is very long since we do not produce any steel anymore. These people are ruining the country.
I would not be adverse to throwing Obama in jail along with the people behind him.
Hence the crappy capacity factor.
Remember when Dear Leader told us that electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket? Or when he said that if a utility were to open a new coal fired plant, "we'll bankrupt them!" But then with "global warming, maybe nobody will notice the higher electricity rates since it will be so warm. Of course, remember what happened in France due to the excessive heat last year... How many thousand of elderly died because of a lack of energy and air conditioning? Of course, maybe that's the idea to save social security and medicare... Kill the elderly? Or is that only the republican answer to health care, as so aptly stated by the leftist loon from FL?
As of 2008 the retail price was $5.75 per ton. I looks like you actually can buy coal for home use in a few places.
DING DING DING DING!! No more calls, please, we have a winner!
Artificial scarcity, with which to play "devotion games" with the public. "You really believe in us, right? You bellyfeel Ingsoc, right? You bellyfeel Big Brother, right?"