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Stanford Professor Proves Big Labor Is Reason that Billions Fail to Fix Education
Big Government ^ | 8/22/11 | Don Loos

Posted on 08/22/2011 8:37:05 PM PDT by TruthHound

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Dr. Moe: “If you stand up for kids, you have to oppose this [collective bargaining] Schools get organized by the adults on the basis of interests and concerns that have nothing to do with kids. So, why would you expect that system to work?”

As students head back to school, it is a good time to reflect on why education is failing and continues to fail. Terry Moe, Chairman of the Political Science Department at Stanford, provides a dispassionate and extensively researched book, Special Interest: Teachers Unions and America’s Public Schools, which should become a useful and effective tool for any passionate education reformers. Dr. Moe states and backs it up with 500 pages of text that teacher unions are the biggest impediment to permanent and effective education reform.

Dr. Moe’s research unquestionably shows that America’s children are risk because of their very own teachers’ allegiance to the NEA and AFT unions rather than education. And, until Big Labor’s influence over education is diminished, reform remains elusive.

In his presentation at the Concerned Educators Against Forced Unionism’s (CEAFU) 36th Annual Conference, Dr. Moe stated that his research concludes that it is impossible for any effective education reform to occur with teacher unions as partners in reform. He said that unions have been and will inherently remain the well-financed opposition to education reform. Professor Moe added that in our political system it is easier to block reform than to bring about reform, giving teachers unions an additional edge in preventing changes.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aft; arth; biglabor; california; ceafu; collectivebargaining; drmoe; education; nea; publicschools; schools; teachers; terrymoe; unions
I have two small kids in school. It's hard to look their teachers in the eye knowing that, as a union group, they could care less about children.
1 posted on 08/22/2011 8:37:08 PM PDT by TruthHound
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To: TruthHound; Liz; neverdem; sickoflibs; MrB; Fred Nerks
Terry Moe, Chairman of the Political Science Department at Stanford, provides a dispassionate and extensively researched book, Special Interest: Teachers Unions and America’s Public Schools, which should become a useful and effective tool for any passionate education reformers. Dr. Moe states and backs it up with 500 pages of text that teacher unions are the biggest impediment to permanent and effective education reform.

The intellectuals in the MSM are starting to see the totalitarian behind Biden's comments - and now this... An intellectual backing our side. The tide is turning.

2 posted on 08/22/2011 8:43:45 PM PDT by GOPJ (126 people were indicted for being terrorists in the last two years. Every one of them was Muslim.)
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To: TruthHound

If you have the time and/or the money, there are alternatives to the public school monopoly: charter, parochial, private, and home; but I’m sure you’ve considered these possibilities. I chose a reasonably priced private until high school and them manuvered to get my daughters into one of the two best public high schools in the county. My wife chose parochial. One of my best friends chose to start his own charter. Another good friend is home schooling his son. Bit by bit we are chipping away at the NEA.


3 posted on 08/22/2011 8:50:01 PM PDT by p. henry
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To: TruthHound

unions are evil.

they destroy the honor of work.


4 posted on 08/22/2011 8:52:34 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: TruthHound
The primary purposes of unions has become feathering the leadership's nest and electing Democrats.

Aside from that, do they serve any useful purpose?

5 posted on 08/22/2011 8:55:30 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: TruthHound

This idiot obviously hasn’t read John Stuart Mill’s “On Liberty”. This idea that you can have a DOE—central government control of schools and only mention Marxist Unions as the fault in this ‘system” of Marxist indoctrination is amazing.

Only indoctrination into slavery is taught in these Prussian schools design for “group think” and dependency and humiliation —if you dare to think differently than peers. Established firmly by the Socialist Dewey—and with government force and lower age Right out of Marx’s playbook...—”plastic minds” you know which can be shaped anyhow they want. Just convince mothers they need to give up their duty to educate and nurture their children in the formative years—so they will be emotionally vulnerable and easily led and brainwashed.

It is set up to destroy knowledge, humiliate intelligent children, destroy individualism and incentives—it is designed for boredom and teach children to hate learning. Sex Ed is designed to destroy morality and modesty and disturb the normal sexual maturation in the latency period which creates dysfunction and abnormality (Melvin Anchell, MD).

Read BK Eakman and John Taylor Gatto (free online), they document the intentional knowledge and morality destruction that is going on in public schools. The curricula is designed by Bill Ayers type Marxist professors. It has been since Socialist John Dewey in the 30’s.

Local parental control of private schools is the only way to go—worldview will not be controlled by the government which is creating ACORN obamabot Thugs. That is their goal and they are succeeding—just like they did in England, which had a little head start since they were close to the source of the German Postmodern filth, that seeped into our country at the turn of the 20th century.

Ideas matter the most in formative years of children—Lenin, as all Communists know—. get control of media and schools...and publication companys—the Marxists got control in the 30’s....McCarthy, Chambers==lots of people tried to warn us, but we had blinders on and “trusted” government and the Marxist media to disclose the “truth”. Big laugh on us.


6 posted on 08/22/2011 8:59:23 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: TruthHound

btt


7 posted on 08/22/2011 9:24:38 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: p. henry
I'd like to be a specialist in teaching students a subject of interest, but most certainly not in a public school. Would teach groups of no more than a few, and only for a few hours or sessions, in a setting conducive to learning.

The lessons would never be forgotten, and would benefit the students throughout their lives. My price? We could negotiate that freely. As long as I can eat and provide for my family, too.

A good teacher . . .

Knows both the subject and the students well.
Is passionate about both the subject and the students.
Uses mnemonic strategies and that are pleasant for any layman to adopt and pass along.
Selects the subject with both individual and corporate edification in mind.
Selects a subject that makes teacher a student of his/her own subject at the same time.

Public schools are an undiscerning meat grinder. I would love to take some kids and teach them in my own time and way. A particularly small focus is better, for example a 3.141-day course called "All About Circles," with pie served up during the last hour of class. Truth be told, I bet we could teach that one to 2nd Graders and learn some home cooking at the same time. Never underestimate the capacity of human intellect, especially in children.

This approach, if coordinated well and widely, would put public school union types to shame in a big way. And they most certainly are worthy of shame.

Imagine a pool of individuals who are dedicated the principles of a good education as our forefathers understood it, and were qualified to teach in a narrow field. Their subject and qualifications would be subject to certification and publication (i.e. advertisement). Thereafter the teacher is free to travel to any home or place where the students are willing to support in some small way for a short period of time. Reputation and results will matter, and be reported accordingly.

How much would you pay a teacher to come to your home for one week to teach your household all about circles? Would you allow a place to sleep, meals, and maybe $100.00? Gather a few neighbors and family together and let them donate freely of their substance so the amount will help the teacher support his family and other charities.

Just throwing it out there. I'm an enemy of the status quo when it comes to education in this country.

8 posted on 08/22/2011 9:42:12 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (minds change)
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To: savagesusie

O for a people that would espouse the total deconstruction of the DOE and its minions! Alas, the State has a vested interest in producing more mind-numbed dependents.


9 posted on 08/22/2011 9:52:25 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (minds change)
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To: okie01

If you want evidence of just how bad PE unions have been screwing the taxpayers, have a look at the report just out from Wisconsin Governor Walker’s office today. Their new PE union law has just started being effective and already the affected government entities (primarily school districts) have demonstrated savings of millions of dollars in health insurance expense. The “union sponsored” healthcare plan that was mandated in the union contracts was ripping off the school districts big time!


10 posted on 08/22/2011 11:12:10 PM PDT by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

“O for a people that would espouse the total deconstruction of the DOE and its minions!”

Unfortunately, the people have nothing to say about it. This country has become an administrative tyranny, ruled by the entrenched Federal bureaucracies headed by political radicals. We’re finished in the long run if Congress doesn’t get up the nerve to defund these monstrosities.


11 posted on 08/22/2011 11:13:00 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: vette6387
The “union sponsored” healthcare plan that was mandated in the union contracts was ripping off the school districts big time!

Really. Is there any argument for unions anymore?

The "old "protection from employer exploitation" thing just doesn't hold up anymore. Not with the non-union industrial plants in South and their workers doing so well.

And, of course, there was never any reason for public employee unions. None whatsoever. Even FDR got that.

12 posted on 08/22/2011 11:16:48 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: okie01

“Is there any argument for unions anymore?”

The unions came about at a time when companies ruthlessly exploited workers. Over time much of what they fought for became law, so the need for them decreased. Looking at the reversals for workers in the past twenty years, maybe they’ll make a comback - we’ve certainly lost ground.

Anybody working 9 to 5 anymore? How many are working (with this wonderful technology) for hours from home, without additional compensation? How many have health benefits worth anything? How about those salaries keeping pace with cost of living and inflation?

We’re regressing back to the point where we were when unions were at their heyday; in response to the perceived threat of union growth, our companies have simply shipped the jobs to countries where individual rights can’t hold a candle to ours. While I have many of the same problems with unions that other FReepers have, I’m shocked at how easily the decline in our standard of living is dismissed by some, and how the relationship to work conditions is completely ignored.

I agree that there is no need for gubmint workers’ unions.


13 posted on 08/23/2011 2:57:11 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: GOPJ

I don’t doubt what he’s saying. But, for such a distinguished professor, he doesn’t seem to be a very effective speaker.


14 posted on 08/23/2011 4:39:48 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: ken21
   
"People of the same trade seldom meet together even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public or some contrivance to raise prices." - Adam Smith

15 posted on 08/23/2011 6:05:53 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: rbg81

That’s true - but truth has very little to do with presentation... better if they go together ...

http://biggovernment.com/dloos/2011/08/22/stanford-professor-proves-big-labor-is-reason-that-billions-fail-to-fix-education/


16 posted on 08/23/2011 9:34:33 AM PDT by GOPJ (126 people were indicted for being terrorists in the last two years. Every one of them was Muslim.)
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To: kearnyirish2
I’m shocked at how easily the decline in our standard of living is dismissed by some, and how the relationship to work conditions is completely ignored.

The most fundamental single force behind wage erosion over the last generation has been women's lib and women-in-the work-force.

Over the past generation, aside from population growth, we essentially doubled the work force. Such a profound development is bound to have an adverse impact on wages and working conditions.

17 posted on 08/23/2011 9:57:26 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: okie01

“Over the past generation, aside from population growth, we essentially doubled the work force. Such a profound development is bound to have an adverse impact on wages and working conditions.”

I think the impact of that is more disastrous in terms of our falling birthrate; if companies couldn’t get women into the workforce they would simply import more Mexicans. If Americans realized how much our birthrate had already fallen, and how many of our under-10 population was Hispanic, they’d overturn the government.


18 posted on 08/24/2011 6:57:43 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2
I think the impact of [women in the work force] is more disastrous in terms of our falling birthrate;

Among other things, women's lib was intended to destroy the American family. And, with that, American culture.

Betty Friedan was a Communist. Gloria Steinem was a fellow traveler.

19 posted on 08/24/2011 10:42:58 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: okie01

They certainly succeeded in that; we’ve gone from nuclear families to men penetrating each other under the name of “marriage” in 40 years...


20 posted on 08/25/2011 2:38:41 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks TruthHound.
Dr. Moe: "If you stand up for kids, you have to oppose this [collective bargaining] Schools get organized by the adults on the basis of interests and concerns that have nothing to do with kids. So, why would you expect that system to work?" ...Terry Moe, Chairman of the Political Science Department at Stanford, provides a dispassionate and extensively researched book, Special Interest: Teachers Unions and America's Public Schools...

21 posted on 08/27/2011 4:24:37 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: TruthHound
As students head back to school, it is a good time to reflect on why education is failing and continues to fail.

the deliberate dumbing down of america, by Charlotte Thompson Iserbyt is now a free e-book.

22 posted on 08/27/2011 12:53:12 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: ken21
unions are evil.

No, in principle they are not.

they destroy the honor of work.

Only when they are allowed to function as monopolies. As profit making ventures competing in the business of supplying skilled labor, they would be marketing each person to maximize profit. The National Labor Relations Act of 1933 changed all of that.

23 posted on 08/27/2011 12:55:38 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: kearnyirish2; okie01
I think the impact of that is more disastrous in terms of our falling birthrate; if companies couldn’t get women into the workforce they would simply import more Mexicans. If Americans realized how much our birthrate had already fallen, and how many of our under-10 population was Hispanic, they’d overturn the government.

The biggest factor in the falling birth rate is women in the workforce. Women with careers have fewer children.

Large corporations and agriculture in America have a never ending desire for slave labor (or if you prefer, using labor with a much lower standard of living). If they aren't importing illegal aliens they are outsourcing to China, India, the Philippines, Brazil, etc. Women in the workforce have little to do with that. The available workforce has much more than doubled.

And it has little to do with a shortage of labor. Look at how many people are not in the workforce in America. Corporations don't want to pay higher wages when labor is in demand. They get cover from the Federal Reserve's false axiom that higher wages cause inflation. Thus the market is distorted. There is little economic incentive for many people to attain the skills to join the workforce, and there is a disincentive to develop automation that can reduce the demand for labor when slave labor is available.

24 posted on 08/27/2011 1:21:01 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Carry_Okie

you do not think that the destruction of public education by unions is not evil?

you do not think that the election of barack obama by union monies for the purpose of bailing out gm and chrysler unions and their pensions is not evil?

this has been going on for decades. i remember a canadian friend who said he worked at gm canada prior to ww2. the first automatic transmission came out.

the unions were opposed. so, they instructed their members to pocket one bolt per transmission.

iremember seeing the leader of singapore on tv in the 1980s. he said: “we could not have built our nation if we had adversarial unions as the u.s. and britain.

and, that’s it. “adversarial”. unions destroy the honor of work.


25 posted on 08/27/2011 1:43:12 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: ken21
you do not think that the destruction of public education by unions is not evil?

Sure I do, and have done far more than you on this forum to show how to beat that system. Hence, your "rhetorical question" is a straw man. You said ALL unions are evil. That is to attack the unalienable right to free association.

you do not think that the election of barack obama by union monies for the purpose of bailing out gm and chrysler unions and their pensions is not evil?

Straw man lit on fire.

Every "case" you cite presupposes GOVERNMENT SANCTIONED UNION MONOPOLY. Government sanctioned monopolies of any kind are what is evil.

26 posted on 08/27/2011 2:06:40 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Carry_Okie

you’re rude.

no further replies.


27 posted on 08/27/2011 3:16:21 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: ken21
you’re rude.

Spoken by a person who misconstrued everything I said into false accusations. You're lucky I was in a good mood.

28 posted on 08/27/2011 3:51:44 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Moonman62

“There is little economic incentive for many people to attain the skills to join the workforce, and there is a disincentive to develop automation that can reduce the demand for labor when slave labor is available.”

You make good points, but automation is still the ultimate goal because we don’t have enough troops to prop up the slave colonies in Asia. Low-cost slaves overseas still require our support for the colonial administration to keep them down.


29 posted on 08/28/2011 3:14:33 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2
we don’t have enough troops to prop up the slave colonies in Asia.

As long as there are countries with lower standards of living, we don't need to be coercive. In the coming years Africa will be providing the cheap labor.

30 posted on 08/28/2011 10:00:52 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

“As long as there are countries with lower standards of living, we don’t need to be coercive. In the coming years Africa will be providing the cheap labor.”

This doesn’t work; eventually the people in those countries want a standard of living similar to ours, so we have to brand those people “communists” and send weapons for our native business partners to put them down. Africa will not be providing that labor for some time to come; it is disorganized with limited infrastructure.


31 posted on 08/29/2011 3:15:26 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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