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Perry’s Patronage Problem : Donors have reaped benefits, but there’s a lot of transparency in Texas
National Review ^ | 08/23/2011 | Daniel Foster

Posted on 08/23/2011 7:13:40 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Since his announcement for the presidency, there have been a slew of articles, left, right, and center, decrying Rick Perry’s cronyism — his supposed habit of rewarding his biggest donors with patronage positions or valuable state contracts. So is the criticism fair?

Perry is a legendary fundraiser, and his preferred method is sticking with the big game. He has raised $37 million over the last decade from just 150 people, per the Los Angeles Times. Expand the list to the top 200 or so donors and you get $51 million, per The Nation. That’s already more than the total amount raised by George W. Bush in two campaigns as Texas governor, and just over half of Perry’s total haul of $101 million since his first campaign.

Accumulating all this cash has certainly left the governor with favors to return, and return them he has, say critics. The case most often cited is that of billionaire Harold Simmons, who donated a total of $1.12 million to Perry and in turn secured permission to build a radioactive disposal site in west Texas. Not only did Simmons successfully lobby to have state law changed so that a private company such as his could obtain the requisite license, he also made sure the law would allow the granting of only one such license. Moreover, the license itself was approved by the Perry-appointed commissioners of the Texas Commission for Environmental Quality, and the review process was overseen by the executive director they hired: one Glenn Shankle, who within six months of signing off on the waste facility left TCEQ and secured a lobbying contract worth up to $150,000 in Simmons’s outfit.

As Glenn Davis — a TCEQ staffer who resigned in protest over what he claimed were irregularities in the approval process — put it in an interview with The Texas Observer, “Even the Mafia was more cirucmspect than this.”

And there’s more where Simmons came from. Take B. J. “Red” McCombs, who gave Perry $400,000, and received $25 million in subsidies to build a Formula One racetrack near Austin. Or James Dannenbaum, who gave more than $320,000 to Perry, and in turn received multiple transportation contracts from the state. Or the more than half of Perry-appointed university regents who have donated money to his campaign. Or the Texas Enterprise Fund, which awarded millions in grants to corporate donors (to little avail, according to critics). And on it goes.

But even as the headlines can and should remain a significant factor as conservative opinion-makers and the primary electorate vet Perry for his presidential run, a look at the institutional and political context of Perry’s governorship reveals that there may be less to the Perry-as-crony-capitalist story than meets the eye. Here are five reasons why:

1. The Texas governor is constitutionally weak, sharing authority with a number of other statewide elected officials, including the lieutenant governor, the attorney general, the comptroller, and various commissioners. Perry’s personality, his bully pulpit, and his long tenure in office (Texas has no term limits) have helped turn him into “the strongest weak governor” in America, and so too have the appointments Perry makes to the approximately 200 boards, commissions, and agencies he oversees within the state — appointments that have come to be used as strategic leverage for advancing the governor’s policy agenda.

“It’s a legitimate use of power,” says Joshua Trevino, a vice president at the Texas Public Policy Foundation (TPPF), a free-market 501(c)(3) think tank based in Austin. “There’s nothing [Perry] is vested with in terms of patronage power or appointment power that would be out of place in the federal government itself.” Or indeed in many other states. And as with governors in many other states . . .

2. Perry’s decisions are constrained. Cash grants from controversial programs like the Texas Enterprise Fund require approval of the independently elected lieutenant governor and speaker of the house, not just the governor. Most executive appointments require approval of two-thirds of the state’s senate, and informally many require “senatorial courtesy” — the approval of the senator from the appointee’s home district. As such, the vast majority of Perry’s appointments require a buy-in from Democrats. Furthermore, commissioners and other appointees serve staggered terms, and Texas governors are proscribed from replacing their predecessors’ picks. Then again . . .

3. Perry has been around so long that virtually every appointed official in the state was appointed by him. Even commissioners who serve six-year terms, even commissioners who were originally appointed by George W. Bush or Ann Richards, have been re-appointed by Perry. This both ups the sample size of appointments for critics to scrutinize and amplifies the chance that Perry’s friends and benefactors will be appointed.

“You typically don’t appoint to positions of trust your opponents. That usually doesn’t happen,” chuckles Michael Quinn Sullivan, president of the Empower Texans Foundation and a major figure in conservative circles. “[Governors] usually appoint successful citizens who they are friends with, and that often translates to people who contributed to their campaigns.” Which leads us to the fact that . . .

4. Perry operates in the light of day. True, there are no limits on individual contributions to candidates in Texas, but the state has long banned corporate donations, and records for individual donors are easily obtained (which is surely part of the reason that so many stories have been written on Perry’s donors). The state maintains an exhaustive electronic database of finance and lobbying activities, and it even had a delinquent-filers list. All of which is to say that . . .

5. Perry is not (yet) Rod Blagojevich. Conspicuously missing from the Perry stories is any suggestion that Perry himself has done anything unlawful. “If this were a real charge,” as Sullivan puts it, “Mr. Democratic Strategist Who Hates Rick Perry would take his case to the FBI and not the Washington Post.” All the commissioners Perry appointed and all the commissions that have awarded money to Perry donors have conducted their business in accordance with the state’s open-records laws.

Nor is there a sense among free-market Texans that Perry let quid pro quo dominate his economic policies to the detriment of the state.

Part of the focus on Perry’s alleged cronyism may be due to the increased focus among the conservative electorate on the distinction between free-market policies and corporatist policies. But speaking for TPPF, Trevino says, “We have found the governor to be an ally on [free-market] issues, and nothing I have seen in the last week has changed my opinion on that.”

Even Sullivan, who affirms his group’s long-held opposition to “corporate giveaways” like the Texas Enterprise Fund, says that even though he “can’t stand” them, “we seem to be running those stupid things better than other states.”

— Daniel Foster is news editor of National Review Online.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: corrupt; patronage; ricardo; rickperry; texas
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1 posted on 08/23/2011 7:13:47 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The guy is a used car salesman.


2 posted on 08/23/2011 7:15:05 AM PDT by Tempest (Google: Rick perry bi-national healthcare)
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To: SeekAndFind

You can keep posting this drivel all day long every day and it isn’t going to stop Perry from being the next President.


3 posted on 08/23/2011 7:15:21 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: SeekAndFind

That’s what I found so troubling about the Gardisil incident.

- He can be bought

- He is willing to subvert the elected legislature and throw my rights under the bus in order to deliver the payoff.


4 posted on 08/23/2011 7:16:04 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind

Goverment funded private ventures it’s only bad when a Democrat does.

Rick Perry will do more to ruin the image of Christians and move the Republican base to the left than any other candidate before him if he gets elected.


5 posted on 08/23/2011 7:18:12 AM PDT by Tempest (Google: Rick perry bi-national healthcare)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
it isn’t going to stop Perry from being the next President.

If I were a betting man I'd say you are right. Does not mean I am wrong to be concerned, or that we won't have to watch him like a hawk afterwards.

Obama would ditch my rights even faster to payoff far more dangerous supporters.
6 posted on 08/23/2011 7:19:05 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: TexasFreeper2009

RE: You can keep posting this drivel all day long every day and it isn’t going to stop Perry from being the next President.

__________________________________________________________________________

I am posting this for discussion. We need to know the background of whoever is going to be our next President regardless of who he/she is.

Eternal Vigilance my friend — that is the price of liberty.


7 posted on 08/23/2011 7:21:45 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: Tempest
The guy is a used car salesman.

No, a (successful) used car salesman makes a profit. Rick uses taxpayer money to subsidize losses. Rick is a hustler with other people's money.

8 posted on 08/23/2011 7:24:56 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Free Republic- Still AAA++ rated)
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To: SeekAndFind

If that’s your goal, why are you not posting negative articles about any of the other candidates?

One might start thinking you don’t really see any of the other candidates as a threat, so there is no need in attacking them...


9 posted on 08/23/2011 7:24:59 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: South40; Liz; cripplecreek; stephenjohnbanker; BobL

Ping.


10 posted on 08/23/2011 7:26:34 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Free Republic- Still AAA++ rated)
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To: TADSLOS

I’d sure like to know who his campaign team consists of.


11 posted on 08/23/2011 7:28:36 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

RE: If that’s your goal, why are you not posting negative articles about any of the other candidates?

You might want to check the archives and my posts about Michele Bachmann.

You seem to be saying that we should only post positive things about candidates and IGNORE anything negative about them. Why is that?


12 posted on 08/23/2011 7:32:24 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind

What I find interesting about this “story” is that Houston homebuildr Bob Perry is not mentioned.......


13 posted on 08/23/2011 7:32:58 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: SeekAndFind
What I find suspicious is that for nearly the entire primary season Romney was the front runner... and yet I can't recall ever seeing a single negative article posted about him. I would see tons of “posts” dissing him, but I never remember logging on and seeing 10 negative articles posted about him, even though he is universally hated here on FR.
14 posted on 08/23/2011 7:39:58 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

If you can find anything about Mitt Romney, by all means, please post it for all to see. We’d all like to see the product before we buy it.


15 posted on 08/23/2011 7:41:36 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind; All

I’m not seeing this as a particularly negative column. Quite the opposite. In a nutshell the column states that Perry appoints people he knows and trust to administer their individual departments or agencies. He does it out in the open. Sounds like smart management to me which is one of the major reasons Texas is in much better financial shape than most other states.


16 posted on 08/23/2011 7:45:04 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (Perry 2012! A Conservative who can win!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

If that’s your goal, why are you not posting negative articles about any of the other candidates?

One might start thinking you don’t really see any of the other candidates as a threat, so there is no need in attacking them...


Bingo!


17 posted on 08/23/2011 7:54:41 AM PDT by TexMom7
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To: Tempest; TADSLOS; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; AuntB; Tennessee Nana; Fred; ...
Rick Perry will do more to ruin the image of Christians and move the Republican base to the left than any other candidate before him.......if he gets elected.

You got that right.

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Texas jobs are being taken by ILLEGALS.......the very same border-violators Perry wants to gift with amnesty. The US needs a President who will CUT spending, and STOP illegal immigration....... not more “business as usual.”

THIS DOES NOT BODE WELL Anyone who dares shine the light of truth on Perry results in being labeled ‘pro-obama’.........called a ‘troll’ and a "Paultard."

MORE PROBLEMS Perry’s coziness with the Chinese and foreign investors exposes a huge weak­ness in his right flank—illegal immigration and open borders.

Perry's ill-conceived "Trans Texas Corridor" (wherein he used eminent domain to take land from Texans for foreigners) has been linked to the global plan to economically integrate North America, with the eventual goal of a common security perimeter modeled after the European Union.

Perry ushered in in-state tuition for illegals and has objected to Arizona-style immigration laws in Texas.

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THE REALLY BAD NEWS--resurrecting the neocons Perry has been endorsed by neocon guru (Fox talking head), Bill Kristol.

Yikes. Neocons and Perry--what could possibly go wrong? (/snix). A-n-o-t-h-e-r several trillion tax dollars into Mideast hellholes?

Ah, it was only yesterday (before 2010 Midterms) that Billy Kristol was humming the neocon theme song, "The Decline and Fall of American Conservatism." KRISTOL WROTE: The “art of government” is to translate the “liberal or radical impulse into enduring institutions,” which in a constitutional republic means that neocons want socialist ends to be achieved with conservative means.

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So how did Rick Perry and the neocons meet, and live happily ever after?

Remember when Rick endorsed Rooty Giuliani?

Fox talker Billy Kristol's father----neocon Irving Kristol (now deceased)----was Giuliani's "foreign policy advisor."

As Irving famously wrote: "The historical task and political purpose of neoconservatism is.....to convert the Republican Party and American conservatism in general, against their respective wills, into a new kind of conservative politics suitable to governing a modern democracy."

Neocons favorite sports: (1) kicking so/con Repubs to the curb, (2) religious cleansing of the Repub party.

18 posted on 08/23/2011 8:08:31 AM PDT by Liz ( A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: Liz

When I see the justifications the Perry followers give I understand clearly who this slide to the left happens.


19 posted on 08/23/2011 8:14:04 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: Artemis Webb
I’m not seeing this as a particularly negative column. Quite the opposite. In a nutshell the column states that Perry appoints people he knows and trust to administer their individual departments or agencies. He does it out in the open. Sounds like smart management to me which is one of the major reasons Texas is in much better financial shape than most other states.

I was going to say essentially the same thing then I read your post. You said it so much better than I would have however. :-)

20 posted on 08/23/2011 8:30:25 AM PDT by Texan
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To: cripplecreek
When I see the justifications the Perry followers give I understand clearly who this slide to the left happens.

Even here on FR,there is more support because of personality than because of conservative principles. The posts by some Palin supporters are very much cultist. Perry supporters posts are full of Texan bravado and spin. Romney Posts and Guilianni posts were much the same. Many FReepers never bought in to the Tea Party theme that we needed conservative change, not just change more conservative than Obama. That's the weak, effete, Republican elite's position, "we're pretty, we're rich, and we're better than Obama". It's a selffullfilling prophesy when you don't support someone because they don't have enough support. This is what I believe is happening to Bachmann.

Whoever gets the Republican nomination, if they are not conservative enough to get the Tea Party people to rally around them, there will be a third party candidate which, in all likelihood, will mean an Obama victory. I hope the Republicans learned from the Perot candidacy, when the establishment Republicans turned a deaf ear to the legitimate complaints of Perot supporters. If not, the same, ruling class Republican elites will be to blame for Obama's second term.

21 posted on 08/23/2011 8:39:21 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: SeekAndFind
Perry’s personality, his bully pulpit, and his long tenure in office (Texas has no term limits) have helped turn him into “the strongest weak governor” in America

Ridiculous. Don't you know Perry is the second coming of Chuck Norris?

"I think there is a path to citizenship for those young men and women ILLEGAL ALIENS who have served their country," Perry said.

THEIR COUNTRY?! Perry thinks America is THEIR COUNTRY?!
Perry wants to give ILLEGAL aliens citizenship

In 2001, Perry signed into law the very first Texas “Dream ACT.” It allowed the children of illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition at any Texas university. Perry defended the Texas “Dream ACT,” saying, “To punish these young Texans for their parents' actions is not what America has always been about.”

Perry then jetted off to Mexico and bragged to the Mexicans that Texas passed this law, saying, “The message is simple, educacion es el futuro, y si se puede.” Education is the future, and yes we can.
Rick Perry’s immigration problem

In February 2007, Perry signed a shocking executive order forcing every sixth-grade girl to submit to a three-jab regimen of the Gardasil vaccine. He also forced state health officials to make the vaccine available "free" to girls ages 9 to 18. The drug, promoted by manufacturer Merck as an effective shield against the sexually transmitted human papillomavirus (HPV) and genital warts, as well as cervical cancer, had only been approved by the Food and Drug Administration eight months prior to Perry's edict.

Perry defenders pointed to a bogus "opt-out" provision in his mandate "to protect the right of parents to be the final authority on their children's health care." But requiring parents to seek the government's permission to keep an untested drug out of their kids' veins is a plain usurpation of their authority. Translation: Ask your bureaucratic overlord to determine if a Gardasil waiver is right for you.

Libertarians and social conservatives alike slammed Perry's reckless disregard for parental rights and individual liberty. The Republican-dominated legislature also balked. In May 2007, both chambers passed bills overturning the governor's unilaterally imposed health order.
Perry's vaccine order exposed lapse in political, policy judgments Rick Perry’s Superficial Extremism The Texas governor’s record doesn’t live up to his rhetoric.

“The Gardasil debacle is just one of many concerns a wide range of grass-roots conservative activists have about Perry’s record as governor. He’s soft on illegal immigration despite a few recent nods to border enforcement. He’s prone to crony capitalism. And as the vaccine mandate scandal shows, he demonstrated Nanny State tendencies that are anathema to Tea Party core principles.

Once again, the Perry campaign proves my point about the non-walkback-walkback. If Perry “erred on the side of life,” what his campaign continues to suggest is that those who opposed his Gardasil mandate from the beginning chose death. Instead of renouncing the human shield demagoguery he engaged it after the repeal, the Perry campaign has doubled-down. There is nothing — nothing — Tea Party about this.

The Gardasil debacle is a useful red flag on Perry’s basic political instincts, judgment, core values, and trust. It is no surprise — given his ties to Merck — that Perry is a consummate practitioner of corporate welfare “public-private partnerships.
Plumbing the rest of the Perry record

Perry’s campaign website lists the Trans-Texas Corridor as one of his accomplishments. But is it something Perry really wants broadcast as an achievement? The Texas Republican Party’s 2010 platform includes a plank specifically opposing the Trans-Texas Corridor.
Rick Perry's NAFTA Superhighway Problem

VIDEO Perry compares Giuliani to Reagan

VIDEO: Perry thanked by Vicente Fox for illegals in-state tuition

Rick Perry has a very questionable past. But one thing is not in question and that is Rick Perry is NOT conservative!

22 posted on 08/23/2011 8:53:02 AM PDT by South40 (Perry: There is a path to citizenship for ILLEGAL ALIENS who have served THEIR country)
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To: SeekAndFind; org.whodat; cripplecreek; TADSLOS; BobL; raybbr; truthfreedom; CowboyJay; ...

If Perry were as great as Perry supporters say he is they would welcome all discussion. But you know confidence is lacking when they try to discourage discourse.


23 posted on 08/23/2011 8:55:53 AM PDT by South40 (Perry: There is a path to citizenship for ILLEGAL ALIENS who have served THEIR country)
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To: South40

I don’t think Perry is great. With apologies to Winston Churchill: Rick Perry is the worst candidate we have to run against Obama - except for all the others.


24 posted on 08/23/2011 9:19:39 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Liz; All

” THE REALLY BAD NEWS—resurrecting the neocons Perry has been endorsed by neocon guru (Fox talking head), Bill Kristol. “

One more nail in the Perry coffin....


25 posted on 08/23/2011 9:26:48 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; D-fendr; South40; cripplecreek; Condor51; TADSLOS; ZULU; Hotlanta Mike; ...
HERE'S THE REALLY BAD NEWS Perry is resurrecting the defunct
neocons and has been endorsed by neocon guru (Fox talker), Billy Kristol.

Wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall when the pukeneos discuss Perry in their inner sanctums?

Might sound something like this:

"Man, we lucked out. Perry is a bigger dupe then Bush. Watta tool. The guy will do anything to be president."

26 posted on 08/23/2011 9:39:45 AM PDT by Liz ( A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: Liz

Kristol and Barnes both came out in support of amnesty years ago......and it was years ago that I quit watching Fox News : )


27 posted on 08/23/2011 9:49:12 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Why do you think George W Perrys cronyism is any different than obummers socialism? In both peoples worlds wall street seems to get the money.
28 posted on 08/23/2011 11:27:38 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: Liz; SatinDoll; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; Bikkuri; Plummz; ...

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Ping.

. . . . # 18 :

“Rick Perry will do more to ruin the image of Christians and move the Republican base to the left than any other candidate before him.......if he gets elected.”

“You got that right.”


“Texas jobs are being taken by ILLEGALS.......the very same border-violators Perry wants to gift with amnesty. The US needs a President who will CUT spending, and STOP illegal immigration....... not more “business as usual.”

“THIS DOES NOT BODE WELL Anyone who dares shine the light of truth on Perry results in being labeled ‘pro-obama’.........called a ‘troll’ and a “Paultard.”

“MORE PROBLEMS Perry’s coziness with the Chinese and foreign investors exposes a huge weak­ness in his right flank—illegal immigration and open borders.

“Perry’s ill-conceived “Trans Texas Corridor” (wherein he used eminent domain to take land from Texans for foreigners) has been linked to the global plan to economically integrate North America, with the eventual goal of a common security perimeter modeled after the European Union.

“Perry ushered in in-state tuition for illegals and has objected to Arizona-style immigration laws in Texas.”


29 posted on 08/23/2011 11:29:35 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: grey_whiskers

Have you seen this? It is scary.


30 posted on 08/23/2011 11:47:32 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: LucyT

Prior to Gov.Perry announcing his run for Republican candidacy, I had read about the “jobs” created in Texas being mainly transient, low-paying jobs in construction and agriculture filled by illegal aliens.

Texas’s economic record would be much more impressive if these jobs were solid, family-wage jobs, held by legal residents and that contributed to a stable community.

It isn’t hard to tell, but I am not enthusiastic about Perry’s run for the Presidency. He is a Globalist and big statist, and Texas under his governership has had budget busting years.


31 posted on 08/23/2011 11:59:16 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m a Texan, and NOT a Perry supporter.

That said, all of this hysteria is absurd.

Perry is not a leftist. He’s just a very good, ethically compromised, sleazy politican. Run-of-the-mill,in it for personal gain, with a good haircut.

Post #2 said it well.

Relax. He is absolutely not who we need right now. However, were he to be elected, he won’t do much damage and will likely be fairly ineffective once outside his home turf.


32 posted on 08/23/2011 12:15:04 PM PDT by Jedidah (I'll vote for an earthworm before I'll vote for Obama. So wiggle on in, Rick Perry.)
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To: SatinDoll

Jobs situation in Texas is much better than elsewhere.

I’m here. I know.

They aren’t just low-paying jobs. Energy, tech, and business sectors are doing well, but are still impacted by the overall national mess.

Perry, however, takes credit for a business climate that is not his to claim. We have limited government and limited government interference. These pre-dated Perry.

The credit goes to Texas, not the current governor.


33 posted on 08/23/2011 12:19:08 PM PDT by Jedidah (I'll vote for an earthworm before I'll vote for Obama. So wiggle on in, Rick Perry.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

you just might be correct...seems that certain corporate welfare hogs would agree

BoA needs Perry, he is one of their favorite tools

Bank Of America’s No-Good, Very Bad Enablers

http://news.yahoo.com/bank-americas-no-good-very-bad-enablers-170931303.html

BoA Sponsored breakfast for Perry in NH...
Bank of America’s Dead Drop To Rick Perry: “We Will Help You Out”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2766192/posts


34 posted on 08/23/2011 1:53:09 PM PDT by Fred ('Just cus I said it, don't mean I meant it'....Obamaism)
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To: Prokopton

Very astute...I do expect the GOP to take the senate in 2012...and we can be rid of Reid...If reelected, Obama will be dealing with both house fully GOP.


35 posted on 08/23/2011 2:01:28 PM PDT by Fred ('Just cus I said it, don't mean I meant it'....Obamaism)
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To: Liz; South40; SeekAndFind; All
Thanks for the pings/posts, Liz and South40. Thanks for posting the article, SeekAndFind. Very interesting and educational about Texas' state government. Very good thread. Thanks to all posters pro/con.

The US needs a President who will CUT spending, and STOP illegal immigration...

BUMP! (President and Congress) DEFUND socialist collectives, foreign and domestic.

36 posted on 08/23/2011 5:43:07 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: All

Men naturally rebel against the injustice of which they are victims. Thus, when plunder is organized by law for the profit of those who make the law, all the plundered classes try somehow to enter — by peaceful or revolutionary means — into the making of laws. According to their degree of enlightenment, these plundered classes may propose one of two entirely different purposes when they attempt to attain political power: Either they may wish to stop lawful plunder, or they may wish to share in it.

Woe to the nation when this latter purpose prevails among the mass victims of lawful plunder when they, in turn, seize the power to make laws!

As soon as the plundered classes gain political power, they establish a system of reprisals against other classes. They do not abolish legal plunder. (This objective would demand more enlightenment than they possess.) Instead, they emulate their evil predecessors by participating in this legal plunder, even though it is against their own interests.

It is as if it were necessary, before a reign of justice appears, for everyone to suffer a cruel retribution — some for their evilness, and some for their lack of understanding.

It is impossible to introduce into society a greater change and a greater evil than this: the conversion of the law into an instrument of plunder.

“The Law” - Frederic Bastiat 1801-1850


37 posted on 08/23/2011 5:53:31 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Liz

Please tell us more about the “religious cleansing of the Republican Party.”

(I call Paulers, Paulers, btw.)


38 posted on 08/23/2011 6:25:07 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: SatinDoll

Our jobs are not low paying. Our average wage and annual salaries are right in the middle of the US, and are in the top 5 or 6 fastest growing of the states. That’s while we add 1/3 of the new jobs in the US and absorb 750,000 new legal immigrants from all over the Nation.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2766156/posts
Do a search on FReeRepublic for “Texas jobs” for more info.


39 posted on 08/23/2011 6:54:14 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: hocndoc

I lived in Texas. No amount of money would entice me to ever move back.


40 posted on 08/23/2011 6:55:53 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: SatinDoll

That’s fine with us.
However, the “budget busting years are another lie spread by Texas haters.
On our state debt:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2762959/posts

More on our jobs - we have recovered.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2764499/posts

And the Governor wrote in his book, “Fed Up,”

” People “vote with their feet” We are doing something right, and that is making Texas an attractive place. So pardon us if we don’t care to “change our ways” to mirror New York, California, or Michigan.” (location 449 Kindle edition)

and
“For the years 2010-2011, our budget is just over $180 billion. Of that. 36 percent, or just $65 billion is money Texans pay in taxes to Washington, and that is sent back with countless strings to tell us how to spend it.” (location 660, kindle edition)


41 posted on 08/23/2011 7:11:19 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: Liz

Why would you need to be a fly on the wall when you can make everything up like this?


42 posted on 08/23/2011 7:14:26 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: hocndoc

You’re wasting your efforts on me. I know enough about his lies.

No way is this life-long conservative Republican going to vote for Perry for president.


43 posted on 08/23/2011 7:20:53 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Gardisil

He can be bought

For $6000? I don't think so.

44 posted on 08/23/2011 7:34:58 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: lonestar

He was Algores campaign manager that is enough for me to run away.


45 posted on 08/23/2011 7:41:51 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: SatinDoll

Who are you rooting for?

Regardless, you and I aren’t the only ones reading that Texas has a very impressive jobs and spending record, that we absorbed 3/4 of a million legal immigrants from across the US, all the while spending $100 million or more every year to try to control the border and more than that on illegal aliens that ICE dumps in our back yard.

We have 11 ICE detention centers and Homeland security has been dropping deportation cases for years, gifting Texas with the people they refuse to deport. We also get the people that the Border patrol brings to Texas from other States in order to “process” their deportation - we even get them from Tucson! http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/report/021110_bus/ The deported cross the border, turn around and come right back.


46 posted on 08/23/2011 7:46:50 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: SatinDoll

“No way is this life-long conservative Republican going to vote for Perry for president.”

The battle for a conservative nominee is NOW.
Next November, it will be a battle for the soul, and very future of the United States.

If you think America can survive another four years of Obama, then STAY HOME, because you aren’t a true conservative anyway.

Otherwise, get off your butt and start WORKING for a Conservative nominee, now.


47 posted on 08/23/2011 7:50:22 PM PDT by tcrlaf (PREFRONTAL LOBOTOMISTS FOR OBAMA2012!)
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To: Brimack34
You haven't changed your mind about anything in the past 22 years?

Both Perry and Algore changed a LOT but we wouldn't want those facts to get in the way of your marathon run, would we?

48 posted on 08/23/2011 7:52:30 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: lonestar

I was born a conservative. But that is not the only thing that bothers me about Perry. He said he would not run for president in order to win the primary he lied. Plus not standing with Arizona on the border and mandated vaccine.


49 posted on 08/23/2011 8:03:20 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: Liz

About those Texans and their counterfeiting; The Governor heard about them, too. And set out to make their crime less likely. He was unable to get the sanctuary cities bill through, but we got voter ID and a law against giving illegal aliens drivers licenses.

http://www.issues2000.org/governor/Rick_Perry_Immigration.htm

Issues2000.org’s summary of the Governor’s 2009 State of the State Address:

End the notion of sanctuary cities
As we continue to strengthen our border, we must also consider the essential role that federal immigration policy, or the lack thereof, plays in the safety of our citizens and integrity of our state.

After revelations that a Dallas man had set up a cottage industry procuring Texas driver licenses for illegal aliens hailing from countries around the world, I am an even stronger supporter of the DPS initiative to issue specialized, vertical driver licenses, to identify those who have overstayed their visa.

I also support an end to the notion of sanctuary cities. Local government sends the wrong message when they pick and choose what laws they want their peace officers to enforce.

We should also track the citizenship status of those receiving state-funded services so we can get our hands around the financial impact of Washington’s failure to handle the immigration challenge. Some may oppose these efforts, but they are commonsense approaches to protecting our citizens’ lives and resources.
Source: 2009 State of the State Address Jan 27, 2009


50 posted on 08/23/2011 8:12:24 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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