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Qaddafi's Downfall, Obama's Victory
The Atlantic ^ | AUG 22 2011

Posted on 08/23/2011 2:37:59 PM PDT by nickcarraway

For Barack Obama, "leading from behind" has never looked so ... decisive. With Libyan rebels celebrating in downtown Tripoli, and Muammar el-Qaddafi apparently in hiding, the president's supporters are claiming vindication for a much-criticized approach to regime change in the Arab world.

Obama's strategy amounted to staying resolutely behind the scenes throughout the five-month NATO air operation. To wit: Don't say the United States is openly engaged in ousting Qaddafi. Don't even concede the United States is going to war. Take cover behind a political imprimatur for action from the Arab League and United Nations, and let Europe lead the strike forces. Then modestly take credit--albeit only with a restrained statement on Monday from Martha's Vineyard, where Obama is vacationing.

MORE FROM NATIONAL JOURNAL: Romney Playing Hands-Off When It Comes to Rick Perry Could We See a 'Libya Stimulus'? Huntsman Slams GOP Presidential Field "I think this is a tremendous achievement," said James Steinberg, Hillary Rodham Clinton's recently departed deputy secretary of State, who is now dean of the Maxwell School at Syracuse University. "The biggest factor to date is the fact that we [Americans] have not been the problem. People aren't saying the Americans are trying to do regime change. Whether in Tunisia or Libya or Egypt, we are seen as supportive of others. It's an obvious contrast with the previous administration.... And the fact that tyrants are not able to rally their people against us shows the nuance and skill of this. It's working."

Obama, with his administration in crisis over a staggering economy and mounting U.S. debt as he winds down two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan,

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gaddafi; illegalwar; noflyzone; obama; obama4alqueda; obama4sharia; obamaswar; regimechange; warpowers

1 posted on 08/23/2011 2:38:02 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

My guess is the average American is not very concerned with what happens in Libya. How much of taxpayers’ money did Obama spend on Libya? How much will he promise for their future?


2 posted on 08/23/2011 2:39:31 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: nickcarraway

I will not be surprised if Gaddafy goes like someone who has nothing left to lose.


3 posted on 08/23/2011 2:42:03 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: nickcarraway

Yet another situation where Obama voted “present” and now he wants to portray himself as George Freakin’ Patton.


4 posted on 08/23/2011 2:42:30 PM PDT by festusbanjo (This is what happens when you hire a guy to run the country that hadn't run anything but his mouth)
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To: nickcarraway

Leave it to the elitists at the Atlantic to think Gadhafi’s overthrow somehow matters to Americans trying to find jobs and figure out how they’re going to pay their bills. Meanwhile, the same East Coast snobs snivel about Saddam’s overthrow and consider it a grave injustice. No war for oil here Atlantic?? This isn’t Obama’s victory, it’s the victory of the Libyan people. Obama didn’t risk a thing. Indeed, Obama had to be dragged kicking and screaming by the Europeans into even doing anything—and even then he denied we were involved during most of the conflict. Now suddenly it’s “Obama’s victory?” And let’s not forget he violated the constitution to carry out his end of it by not getting Congressional authority. Meanwhile, what will it cost us to rebuild Libya? Some victory.


5 posted on 08/23/2011 2:44:01 PM PDT by MissesBush (Raising taxes on an economy in a death spiral is like taking up smoking when you have emphysema)
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To: nickcarraway

The good vibe will last about as long as that great victory over Bin Laden - a week or two.

Of course if the Muzzie B’hood acts as expected, it’s another negative, but trivial compared to the economic problems.


6 posted on 08/23/2011 2:44:49 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: nickcarraway

Give the warmonger another peace prize and he can start more wars!


7 posted on 08/23/2011 2:44:49 PM PDT by Bon mots ("When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...")
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To: nickcarraway

Just like Jimmah and Iran.


8 posted on 08/23/2011 2:46:11 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: nickcarraway

Well, talk about “Mission Accomplished” eh? Guess it all depends on who’s doing the boasting.

It remains to be seen whether what now follows in Libya will be Switzerland, or Somalia. The latter seems more likely. Let’s see where we are a year from now before we start claiming some great “victory”.


9 posted on 08/23/2011 2:46:55 PM PDT by Argus
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To: nascarnation

The good vibe will last until the tribal civial war starts. Then, the news media will behave as though Libya does not exist.


10 posted on 08/23/2011 2:50:34 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: nickcarraway
Whether the world rejoices or curses Obama's encouragement of the rebel forces in Libya, Egypt and Syria will hinge on the governments that come to power.

My money is on fundamentalist Islam and Iran style regimes. Not good.

11 posted on 08/23/2011 2:50:49 PM PDT by Vinnie
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To: nickcarraway
It's changed from a shithole with a boxed-in scumbag for a leader, into a shithole with a leaderless al Qaeda class picking over the weapons of mass destruction spoils up for grabs.

Yea.

12 posted on 08/23/2011 2:51:23 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: nickcarraway

Atlantic magazine is such a Leftist pimp rag .


13 posted on 08/23/2011 2:51:39 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: nickcarraway

“...the president’s supporters are claiming vindication for a much-criticized approach to regime change in the Arab world.”

The critics will, of an absolute certainty, be vindicated when Libya emerges with a new leadership which is light years worse than Gaddafi ever was.

This whole thing has been folly right from the beginning.


14 posted on 08/23/2011 2:52:03 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Army Air Corps

Or find a way to blame it on the Tea Party.


15 posted on 08/23/2011 2:52:14 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Sheesh. Go away and stay away Newt.)
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To: Army Air Corps

civial = civil


16 posted on 08/23/2011 2:52:20 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: ilovesarah2012

It’s said he spent in excess of $100 Million..............all borrowed.


17 posted on 08/23/2011 2:53:17 PM PDT by RC2
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To: nickcarraway
So an “Illegal war for oil” is all A-OK, and a promise that it will be over in “weeks not months” is all A-OK six months later, and no need for Congress to approve it because of NATO and/or it wasn't “war” it was a “kinetic military action”.

Yeah.

THAT’s the ticket!

18 posted on 08/23/2011 2:54:27 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: nickcarraway
I am having a problem defining victory.
19 posted on 08/23/2011 2:54:39 PM PDT by boomop1
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To: comebacknewt

Indeed.

“Obama’s plans for Libya would have worked had he not been needlessly distracted by the Tea Party terrorists during the debt ceiling debate.”


20 posted on 08/23/2011 2:55:31 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: nickcarraway
You have a loose group of “Rebels” that beat Muammar el-Qaddafi, so now what?
What will happen is that someone will emerge as the new “Leader” and that person may just be worse than what we had.
No celebrating here and Obama certainly did nothing in this situation.
Now there is talk of moving on to Syria to throw Assad out.
We just may end up helping helping turn the Middle East into a Islamic Theocracy, is that Obama’s real plan??
21 posted on 08/23/2011 2:57:22 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: nickcarraway
Jimmah Carter gave is the radicalized islamic Iran.

Barack Obamah is giving us a radicalized islamic Egypt, Libya and soon to be Syria.

You and I can only guess his plans for Israel.

22 posted on 08/23/2011 3:04:11 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: nickcarraway
Obama wins!

Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links

"Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi, the Libyan rebel leader, has said jihadists who fought against allied troops in Iraq are on the front lines of the battle against Muammar Gaddafi's regime."

Praise Obama. Obama ahkbar.

I've heard that Libya sent more men to Iraq to fight U.S. and ally forces than any other country.. Obama wins in Libya. You can say that again.

23 posted on 08/23/2011 3:04:11 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: MissesBush

“Leave it to the elitists at the Atlantic to think Gadhafi’s overthrow somehow matters to Americans trying to find jobs and figure out how they’re going to pay their bills.”

Unless they think that this madman didn’t dump ALL of his nukes and there’s a suitcase or two headed our way....


24 posted on 08/23/2011 3:05:52 PM PDT by jessduntno (Obama shanks. America tanks.)
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To: nickcarraway
Who is Obama going to knock off next? Qatar? Kuwait? oops might steal Saddam's thunder. Maybe Luxemborg? Leichentein? Mali? Maldives? Easter Island?
25 posted on 08/23/2011 3:05:57 PM PDT by Karliner ("If we were real domestic terrorists, shoot, Obama would want to pal around with us, wouldn't he?")
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To: ilovesarah2012

I thought Mooslimar K-Dumby was BFF with O-liar?


26 posted on 08/23/2011 3:06:14 PM PDT by liberty or death
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To: nickcarraway

So ya mean the Kenyan lizard violated the War Powers act and spent a billion dollars without authorization. Is that what your celebrating?

Oh? By the way, who are the rebels?


27 posted on 08/23/2011 3:06:24 PM PDT by y6162
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To: nickcarraway

So ya mean the Kenyan lizard violated the War Powers act and spent a billion dollars without authorization. Is that what your celebrating?

Oh? By the way, who are the rebels?


28 posted on 08/23/2011 3:06:43 PM PDT by y6162
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To: nickcarraway

We shall see.


29 posted on 08/23/2011 3:07:45 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I Stand With Sarah!)
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To: TASMANIANRED

Jimbo only lost Iran (and that was bad enough). Obama is going to lose the entire Middle East.

Pray for Israel. I do.


30 posted on 08/23/2011 3:09:27 PM PDT by Ronin (Obamanation has replaced Bizarroworld as the most twisted place in the universe.)
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To: liberty or death

quackdaffy was big time buds with rev wright’s church and baraq and farakook. Didn’t make much sense why baraq would turn on one of his peeps. But after his ushering in the muslim brotherhood into Egypt, I guess he chose the MB over his bud.

BUT HE’S NOT A MUSLIM!!!!!!!

he told us that.


31 posted on 08/23/2011 3:10:36 PM PDT by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: nickcarraway

You are all missing one very important thing. No Democrat is raving about the “Obama” role in Libya. The story is yet to play out and probably will go the same way that Egypt went with Obama kindling the Muslim brotherhood!!! Obama will get little bounce from his Libya exploit which will end up be negative for the USA, as all Obama’s other Middle East undertakings have turned out. Face it, Obama stands with likes of the Muslim Brotherhood along with his icons, Jeremiah Wright & Louie Farrakhan, etc. Obama is neither friend, nor champion to the USA!!!


32 posted on 08/23/2011 3:12:06 PM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: nickcarraway

A thought here.

Where is the outrage from rev wright and louie farakkan?

Quadaffi was a fellow traveller.

bet baraq’s 20 year minister is P.O.’d.

C’mon farakkan, get out there and denounce your boy. You know you want to.


33 posted on 08/23/2011 3:13:20 PM PDT by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: nickcarraway

yah. The situation in Libya may be many things, but it is anything but over.

A reasonable man would be very cautious about taking credit for Libya before Kadaffy and his sons heads show up on platters in front of CNN, Sky News, etc......


34 posted on 08/23/2011 3:37:47 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Obama got mostly Ds and Fs all through college and law school. Keep saying it.....)
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To: nickcarraway
We had no frigging business in Libya... kadaffy was a terrorist... and a murderer... but he accepted Bush's offer and got “with us”. There is no Victory in a war in which we had no business being involved. We absolutely could not afford it and we spent a few billion of borrowed chinese dollars to install al qaeda and the brotherhood into power. These obamamites truly hate AMERICA.

LLS

35 posted on 08/23/2011 3:38:44 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: festusbanjo

And the media will portray him as a genius super general.

Obama, the worst leader in history.


36 posted on 08/23/2011 3:44:07 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: RC2

abc reported 1 billion in our money and we loaned nato billions.

LLS


37 posted on 08/23/2011 3:45:11 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: Ronin

Probably Europe too.

Someone had to flip the first domino.


38 posted on 08/23/2011 3:51:05 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: ilovesarah2012
My guess is the average American is not very concerned with what happens in Libya. How much of taxpayers’ money did Obama spend on Libya? How much will he promise for their future?

I agree, in fact think that the average American is infuriated by the mere mention of the middle east and doesn't care what happens over there.

39 posted on 08/23/2011 4:01:15 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (Now we be president again !)
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To: MissesBush

A great many Americans (including Obama) couldn’t find Libya on a map the size of a barn door and an equal number have never even heard of the place.


40 posted on 08/23/2011 4:07:22 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: nickcarraway

How come obama’s foreign policy victories always revolve around someone getting killed? If it were a conservative President, the libs would be apoplectic; foaming at the mouth screaming about what a blood thirsty nazi cowboy of a leader we had.


41 posted on 08/23/2011 4:11:01 PM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: dead

Godaffy was held well in check, even to disavowing terrorism, ever since President Reagan got his attention with a missile fired into his tent. 0bummer will not have the will to teach a similar lesson should Islamic fanatics seize control.


42 posted on 08/23/2011 5:11:30 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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