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Activist: Rejecting Beck, Evangelicals Would be 'Suicidal'
Arutz Sheva ^ | 24/8/11 | David Lev

Posted on 08/23/2011 4:34:15 PM PDT by Eleutheria5

The debate on the intentions of Glenn Beck and other Christian evangelicals rages on, and Dr. Gadi Eshel, a Land of Israel activist, told Arutz 7 Tuesday that while he did not believe that Beck's intentions were improper, rejecting the friendship of evangelicals could cause anti-Semitism.

Eshel was responding to comments by Jerusalem City Council member Mina Fenton Monday, who voiced vociferous opposition to Beck's appearance in Jerusalem on Wednesday, saying that his rally was designed to encourage missionary activity. Eshel told Arutz 7 that Christians like Beck supported Israel because they were strong believers in the Bible, and not out of missionary reasons.

“The basic belief of Christians like Beck is that the Torah and Tanach are divine in nature and precede the Christian Gospels. This is different than the beliefs of traditional Christians, like Roman Catholics, and even Episcopalians, who participate in boycotts against Israel,” he said.

As such, Eshel said, rejecting the friendship offered unconditionally by Beck and evangelicals in general would be the ultimate in ingratitude.

“Such ingratitude would be an act of suicide,” he said. “This could cause great damage potentially. The paranoia and automatic negative reaction has the potential to cause a great wave of anti-Semitism.” With all the concerns about the rise of radical Islam and the isolation of Israel even by the U.S., Eshel says, “spitting at and rejecting Israel's most loyal friends would truly be an act of suicide.

(Excerpt) Read more at israelnationalnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: activists; beck; courage; eshel; evangelicals; glennbeck; israel; restorecourage; suicidal
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It's appalling that anyone would have to explain such an obvious fact of life to Israelis. We're supposed to be smart.

Muslims and leftists hate us. Christians and rightists love/like us. Let's reject the Christians and rightists. Sure./sarc

1 posted on 08/23/2011 4:34:22 PM PDT by Eleutheria5
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To: Eleutheria5

I can’t even believe that there would be mystery in this.....have the leftest Jews poisoned the well so much with religious Jews that the would reflexively reject Christians?

Maybe Glen needs to educate them that we aren’t right wing to begin with.


2 posted on 08/23/2011 4:39:40 PM PDT by dila813
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To: Eleutheria5

Um... One problem about calling Beck an Evangelical Christian...


3 posted on 08/23/2011 4:45:03 PM PDT by MNDude (so that's what they meant by Carter's second term)
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To: Eleutheria5
rejecting the friendship of evangelicals could cause anti-Semitism

What a bizarre premise! Everything Jews do as Jews causes anti-Semitism.

4 posted on 08/23/2011 4:46:18 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: dila813
Maybe Glen needs to educate them that we aren’t right wing to begin with.

Would you mind elaborating on this? I'm very much pro-Israel but I'm also very "right wing"

VRWC

5 posted on 08/23/2011 4:49:05 PM PDT by stormhill
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To: dila813

“.....have the leftest Jews poisoned the well so much with religious Jews that the would reflexively reject Christians?”

No, I think we Christians putting them in ovens last century pretty well made them reflexively nervous.

Holocaust wounds are fresh and deep in Israel.

I am Christian and visited there. Just in restaurants and the like I saw 50 Nazi era tattos on older folks. Just blue or black blurs, but you could tell what they used to be.


6 posted on 08/23/2011 4:51:15 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: Eleutheria5; dila813; MNDude; jjotto

As I have grown to understand it, liberal U.S. jews detest evagelicals cause they think they all keep a white hood and a cossack saber hidden in their closets.

Whereas many Israelis are deep-down suspicious that the Americans want to convert them.


7 posted on 08/23/2011 4:52:34 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: jjotto

Hating Israel and the Jewish people is of a evil supernatural spirit.....

Loving Israel and the Jewish People is of a Divine Holy Super-natural spirit.....

There is no in-between....


8 posted on 08/23/2011 4:53:40 PM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: MNDude

” One problem about calling Beck an Evangelical Christian...”

True. But I think they are just now grasping there is a difference between Roman Catholics and Protestants.

Be like us trying to figure out the different Jewish denominations (or whatever they are called).


9 posted on 08/23/2011 4:53:40 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
No, I think we Christians putting them in ovens last century

Ok! Here we go again!! No. Gay pagans put them in ovens, not Christians.

10 posted on 08/23/2011 4:54:53 PM PDT by stormhill
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To: TheThirdRuffian

somehow equating evangelical or any form of christianity with national socialism shows a lack of understanding about the philosophy, teachings and goals of the two world views. Dietrich Bonhoeffer is one shining example of what christians thought of the nazis.


11 posted on 08/23/2011 4:58:20 PM PDT by class8601_nuke (don't just be critical, be prompt critical.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

>>No, I think we Christians putting them in ovens last century pretty well made them reflexively nervous.<<

WHAT Christians?
I thought it was the Nazis. They were NOT Christian.
Please, at least get Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism” and read it. Don’t rely on what you learned in Public School.


12 posted on 08/23/2011 4:58:56 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: TaraP

Interesting.

There is a Jewish mystical teaching that there are only two active principles in the world: Jewish morality on the one hand, and the spirit of Amalek (suicidal Jew-hate) on the other.


13 posted on 08/23/2011 4:59:43 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: stormhill

Right Wing is Fascist, Left Wing is Communist, I reject both and don’t see myself as between these two choices.


14 posted on 08/23/2011 5:01:38 PM PDT by dila813
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Christians didn’t put them in the ovens. Nazism and Christians are not the same.


15 posted on 08/23/2011 5:01:53 PM PDT by carton253
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To: stormhill

How many of those doing Nazi dirty work were gay pagans? How many were members of a church in good standing?


16 posted on 08/23/2011 5:02:12 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: TheThirdRuffian

“No, I think we Christians putting them in ovens last century
Ok! Here we go again!! No. Gay pagans put them in ovens, not Christians.”


Waall, I’ll be hornswoggled! I thought the warriors that destroyed and defeated the oven-stokers were basically Christians, citizens of a basically Christian nation and motivated to a significant degree by an essentially Christian mindset.


17 posted on 08/23/2011 5:03:35 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: jjotto
I agree. When I read this part, “Such ingratitude would be an act of suicide,” he said. “This could cause great damage potentially. The paranoia and automatic negative reaction has the potential to cause a great wave of anti-Semitism”, it made me sad.

Does Eshel truly believe that Evangelicals are, by nature, paranoid and negative? And that if you don't accept their friendship they will become anti-Semitic?

I'm not a fan of Glenn Beck, but if his activities in Israel can help to overcome some of these harmful stereotypes, it will be a good thing for all concerned.

18 posted on 08/23/2011 5:04:31 PM PDT by lonevoice (schizophrenic hostage taking hobbit terrorist)
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To: jjotto

The War is really a Spiritual battle, not a human one....

Good response!


19 posted on 08/23/2011 5:04:53 PM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Are you a Mormon?


20 posted on 08/23/2011 5:05:11 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
True. But I think they are just now grasping there is a difference between Roman Catholics and Protestants.

Even that isn't correct though, just look at the stance of most Reformed Protestants such as the Episcopal Church. They're grappling with the difference between mainstream Christians and Fundamentalist Christians. If they truly understood this difference, there wouldn't even be a question of if the Jewish rejection of this support would create antisemitism because they would understand that the support coming from Fundamentalist Christians isn't based upon what Israel or the Jews do, it's based upon what Christ commanded us to do.

They could turn against us and it wouldn't change a thing because it's not their actions which are driving us. Someday they'll understand, but until then we just have to be patient and continue to display the love of Christ towards His people.

21 posted on 08/23/2011 5:07:38 PM PDT by Avalon Hussar
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To: jjotto
To begin with virtually the entire SA that put Hitler in power was gay as was the majority of the Nazi party. The SS was a "different" kind of homosexual.

The gay german camp prisoners were rarely killed but used to do the dirty work for the SS. I could easily go on But I have a better idea:

READ A BOOK!!

22 posted on 08/23/2011 5:10:08 PM PDT by stormhill
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To: Elsiejay

Basically Christian? You can’t be “basically” a Christian. Either you’re a Christian or you’re not, it’s as simple as that. If you’re “basically” a Christian, I’d wonder what makes you think you’re a Christian at all.


23 posted on 08/23/2011 5:10:18 PM PDT by Avalon Hussar
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To: dila813

Fascism, as spawned in Italy in the post WWI period through WWII was socialism, as was communism and Nazism.. Different nodes of the left; but all of them left wing, max government control.


24 posted on 08/23/2011 5:10:39 PM PDT by joelt
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To: lonevoice

I watched the rally with Glenn Beck and John Hagee in Israel on TBN the other night, it was awesome, nothing phony or hypocritical or trying to convert Jews...

They are Christians who are trying to live by the truth of the Bible, the Gospel of Jesus Christ in Faith and Courage...

Love GOD with all your heart mind and soul and love your neighbor as yourself....If people are suspicious of that commandment, then we might as well give up now and live like
wild animals....


25 posted on 08/23/2011 5:12:46 PM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: lonevoice

Eshel reminds me of someone with a crazy neighbor or relative. One wants to be on the friendly side of such a person for fear they’ll do something, well, crazy. But one doesn’t want to be friendly enough to have them hanging around all the time either!


26 posted on 08/23/2011 5:14:19 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: joelt

Thank you. That’s exactly right...er...correct


27 posted on 08/23/2011 5:15:57 PM PDT by stormhill
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To: jjotto

Actually it’s more like Eschel is acting like someone who is afraid that their neighbor is crazy, but doesn’t want to bother going through the trouble of actually finding out what they believe. The problem isn’t the neighbor, it’s Eschel’s fear.


28 posted on 08/23/2011 5:17:08 PM PDT by Avalon Hussar
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To: jjotto
How many were members of a church in good standing?

Being a member of a church does not a Christian make. Obama was a member in good standing of a (professed) Christian church for 20 years ... not sure I would consider him a Christian (by their fruits ye shall know them).

29 posted on 08/23/2011 5:18:55 PM PDT by doc1019 (You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.)
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To: Elsiejay

I don’t think One Nazi adhered to the Christian Spirit.

Spiritual re-lifing, or regeneration, occurs in the spirit of man. “That which is born of the Spirit is spirit” (John 3:6).

“The Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God” (Rom. 8:16).

A spiritual union is effected whereby “one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him” (I Cor. 6:17).

The Nazi’s were Son’s of Satan....


30 posted on 08/23/2011 5:20:06 PM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: Avalon Hussar
The problem isn’t the neighbor, it’s Eschel’s fear.

Yup. There's something unnatural about Eshel's theme.

31 posted on 08/23/2011 5:20:53 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

I don’t think it’s unnatural, just misplaced. As others have said, the perception in Israel and among the Jews in general is that Christians fed them into the ovens. It’s not true, but that’s the perception. Their fear is born out of that time and is fed by the determination to never go through anything like that again. If we, as Christians, are going to truly stand by the Jews, we’re going to have to deal with this misconception sooner or later and the only way we’re going to overcome it is by displaying the physical manifestation of the love of Christ for them. That, and that alone, will change their hearts.


32 posted on 08/23/2011 5:27:39 PM PDT by Avalon Hussar
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To: MNDude
Um... One problem about calling Beck an Evangelical Christian...

Huge!

I wonder if he has told his Jewish friends yet that they are really gentiles?

33 posted on 08/23/2011 5:28:39 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (The only problem some people have with tyranny is that they’re not the tyrant.)
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To: doc1019
‘by their fruits ye shall know them’ ... that phrase is misused so often at FR, especilly by those determined to defend the cult of mormonism. The passage from the Bible referred to PROPHETS and how to judge if they were genuine or not.
34 posted on 08/23/2011 5:33:38 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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35 posted on 08/23/2011 5:38:41 PM PDT by SJackson (Normal people don't sit cross-legged on the floor and bang on drums, WI State Sen Glenn Grothman (R))
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To: TheThirdRuffian
No, I think we Christians putting them in ovens last century pretty well made them reflexively nervous.

Ahem. The nazis were occultists.

36 posted on 08/23/2011 5:47:11 PM PDT by fso301
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To: MHGinTN

Even though I think it works just a well in evaluating a Christian I can concede my bible reference and still stand by my original post.


37 posted on 08/23/2011 5:49:48 PM PDT by doc1019 (You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.)
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To: dila813
Right Wing is Fascist, Left Wing is Communist

Only on the scale of nationalism which the left uses to distance itself from its close associasion with the nazis.

When it comes to the scale of personal freedom, the controlling systems of communism, nazism, socialism and fascism are all jammed against each other on the left with anarchy all the way to the extreme right.

38 posted on 08/23/2011 5:55:15 PM PDT by fso301
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To: jjotto
How many of those doing Nazi dirty work were gay pagans? How many were members of a church in good standing?

While stationed in Germany many years ago, I had a nice chat with my girlfriends mother who lived through WWII. It was a delicate subject and I didn't want to appear accusatory toward Oma about this but I sensed she need to talk about it. My only question was, why did the German people let it (concentration/extermination camps) happen? Her reply was that at first when the rumors of such places came out, they seemed so horrific that it just couldn't be true. Then her family noticed that those who spread the rumors just 'disappeared' along with their entire family, as if they never existed. It was very clear up until the end of the war, you didn't talk of these things. After the war she saw the pictures of the camps, and she said she cried for days because she was so ashamed.

39 posted on 08/23/2011 5:56:15 PM PDT by Traveler59 ( Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: dila813

I’ve always considered political ideology as being circular not linear.

The extreme left and the extreme right are side by side on the dark side of the circle.


40 posted on 08/23/2011 5:56:40 PM PDT by 30Moves
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To: Eleutheria5

Not all Christians love Israel. As he said, the churches that have deviated from God’s law and embraced homosexuality and no longer follow the teachings of Yeshua of Nazareth are mostly inhabited by left wing lunatics who hate Jews.


41 posted on 08/23/2011 5:59:01 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: jjotto

I could see that. Rejecting the offered hand of friendship could result in bitterness. I don’t think it would result so much in antisemitism as it would a “let them stew in their own juices” mentality.


42 posted on 08/23/2011 6:03:39 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: joelt; fso301; 30Moves

Fascism is extreme nationalist .... it is on the right ... look it up ... and make sure you aren’t looking at someone’s made up definition, I mean the official traditional definition since WWII ... Fascism is on the right

You can only call conservatives right wing because they are pro-united states, but our country isn’t based on the idea of the state, it is based on the idea of the individual which is anti-state

Wikipedia actually didn’t do a bad job on this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum


43 posted on 08/23/2011 6:31:44 PM PDT by dila813
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To: joelt; fso301; 30Moves

Fascism is extreme nationalist .... it is on the right ... look it up ... and make sure you aren’t looking at someone’s made up definition, I mean the official traditional definition since WWII ... Fascism is on the right

You can only call conservatives right wing because they are pro-united states, but our country isn’t based on the idea of the state, it is based on the idea of the individual which is anti-state

Wikipedia actually didn’t do a bad job on this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum

Please note that FASCISM is what all Jews think of when you say Right Wing. So when you are talking with Jews ..... you need to stay away from these left right terms ... otherwise you feed right into the left wing propaganda.


44 posted on 08/23/2011 6:33:21 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813
The Left (international socialists) defined the Left as being them, and the Right as anybody who opposed them for any reason. Thus you have Fascists, National Socialists (who WERE socialists), libertarians, and Jeffersonians all crunched up at the other end.

That's why the one-dimensional political spectrum is crap.

45 posted on 08/23/2011 6:42:37 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
The Nazis weren't Christians. Hitler despised and killed Christians while he and the party hierarchy practiced some sort of mysticism involving fetishes and SOME Christian icons. To paint them as Christians as most of us would define them is ludicrous.
46 posted on 08/23/2011 6:44:26 PM PDT by WePledge (Ich werde fur immer ein Hollenhund werden. Semper Fidelis)
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To: fso301

True, it was interesting how Hitler thought that getting the spear of destiny would allow him to create the Roman Empire and allow him to declare himself the Roman Pontiff with authority over the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church.


47 posted on 08/23/2011 6:45:43 PM PDT by dila813
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To: PapaBear3625

Maybe, but if you have any hope of getting along with Jewish People at large, you have to understand that Right Wing means Brown Shirts and Hitler to these folks.

Traditionally, Right Wing is Fascism.....Nationalism etc..

Our twist is that we are Nationalist, but being Nationalist in the US means being Anti-State not Super State.


48 posted on 08/23/2011 6:48:48 PM PDT by dila813
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To: Eleutheria5

As much as I support Mr. Beck’s stand in support of Israel, there is one huge problem with the article: Glenn Beck is NOT a Christian, he is a member of a cult which has, since it’s inception stated in no uncertain terms that Mormonism is NOT Christian or Christianity. Only recently has this cult-wolf in sheeps clothing sought to deceive the masses by claiming that Mormonism is christian.


49 posted on 08/23/2011 10:07:24 PM PDT by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from evil and from those perpetuating it, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

You put Jews in ovens because you are a Christian?

Hitler was into the occult. His government did NOT murder the Jews in the name of Jesus. Europeans today who hate Jews, hate Christians, too. They do not hate Jews in the name of Jesus. They are socialists - like Hitler was a socialist. In fact, Hitler said after he was done with the Jews, he would be coming after the Christians.

This guy is saying it would be suicidal for Jews to reject the friendship of Christians in America who fight hard to keep Israel as our ally. He’s right about that. Israel has a friend in American Christians. Beck is so a strong ally of Israel. It makes no sense for Jews to be mean to Christians.


50 posted on 08/23/2011 11:19:12 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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