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Activist: Rejecting Beck, Evangelicals Would be 'Suicidal'
Arutz Sheva ^ | 24/8/11 | David Lev

Posted on 08/23/2011 4:34:15 PM PDT by Eleutheria5

The debate on the intentions of Glenn Beck and other Christian evangelicals rages on, and Dr. Gadi Eshel, a Land of Israel activist, told Arutz 7 Tuesday that while he did not believe that Beck's intentions were improper, rejecting the friendship of evangelicals could cause anti-Semitism.

Eshel was responding to comments by Jerusalem City Council member Mina Fenton Monday, who voiced vociferous opposition to Beck's appearance in Jerusalem on Wednesday, saying that his rally was designed to encourage missionary activity. Eshel told Arutz 7 that Christians like Beck supported Israel because they were strong believers in the Bible, and not out of missionary reasons.

“The basic belief of Christians like Beck is that the Torah and Tanach are divine in nature and precede the Christian Gospels. This is different than the beliefs of traditional Christians, like Roman Catholics, and even Episcopalians, who participate in boycotts against Israel,” he said.

As such, Eshel said, rejecting the friendship offered unconditionally by Beck and evangelicals in general would be the ultimate in ingratitude.

“Such ingratitude would be an act of suicide,” he said. “This could cause great damage potentially. The paranoia and automatic negative reaction has the potential to cause a great wave of anti-Semitism.” With all the concerns about the rise of radical Islam and the isolation of Israel even by the U.S., Eshel says, “spitting at and rejecting Israel's most loyal friends would truly be an act of suicide.

(Excerpt) Read more at israelnationalnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: activists; beck; courage; eshel; evangelicals; glennbeck; israel; restorecourage; suicidal
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To: Jmouse007

“Mormonism is NOT Christian or Christianity. Only recently has this cult-wolf in sheeps clothing sought to deceive the masses by claiming that Mormonism is christian.”

Well and good. Speaking as a Jew, I have to say that it really makes no difference to me. Mormon, Christian. Whatever.


51 posted on 08/23/2011 11:59:30 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

I wouldn’t agree that the Nazis were Christians. Perhaps they were baptized shortly after birth, whether by sprinklers or dunkers I don’t know. But Nazism was an all-encompassing, secular, statist religion, much like Communism. Whatever their parents did to them with some water while naming them, a committed Nazi is not a practicing Christian.


52 posted on 08/24/2011 12:02:55 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

“Be like us trying to figure out the different Jewish denominations (or whatever they are called).”

What? You don’t know the difference between a Misnagged, a Breslover and a Lubavitcher? What about a Meshichister and non-Meshichister Lubavitcher, or a Nanach Breslover and a more traditional? Neturei Karta, Satmar Siget and stam Satmar?


53 posted on 08/24/2011 12:06:53 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: jjotto

Having studied Jewish “mysticism” for most of my life, I’ve never seen that anywhere. Amalek is the very epitome of evil from which all lesser evils flow. But one can be not only moral, but merit a high place in the world to come without being Jewish at all. Once you are Jewish, however, you must keep the 613 Mitzvot. The Talmud speaks of the two martyrs of Lud as being in a place so high in Paradise that nobody else could enter. They were two righteous gentiles who, to save the town of Lud from destruction by the Romans, took the blame for a capital crime and were put to death for it, though they were innocent.

There are seven basic laws that the Torah says Noah was commanded, and which all gentiles must therefore keep: not to kill, commit adultery, steal, or worship idols, to believe in one G-d, have just courts of law, and not to eat a limb off a living animal. Keep those seven, and in the eyes of the Torah you are righteous, whether you call yourself a Christian, Mormon, non-affiliated good guy, or even a Moslem.


54 posted on 08/24/2011 12:18:39 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: lonevoice

“Does Eshel truly believe that Evangelicals are, by nature, paranoid and negative? And that if you don’t accept their friendship they will become anti-Semitic? “

He has the precedent of Martin Luther’s initial solicitousness towards Jews. When they did not all suddenly convert, he turned on them. I don’t believe that Glen Beck would do that, but it has occurred in the past with others.


55 posted on 08/24/2011 12:25:23 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: dila813

Would Konrad Heiden’s Der Fuhrer be less authoritative than Wikipedia? There were factions within Nazism that wanted to emphasize the socialistic aspects more than the nationalistic. But all Nazis wanted to nationalize the banks, “Jewish capitalism”. That was also Ezra Pound’s pet peeve that attracted him to fascism, as anyone who has read his Cantos can attest. Nazism is nationalism + socialism, for a fusion between left and right that was more noxious than even socialism. Leave it to the Left to strive so mightily to paint Stalin’s former allies as “right wing”.


56 posted on 08/24/2011 12:40:28 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: jjotto

So as long as we’re damned if we do or don’t, let’s be friends with Catholics, mormons and evangelicals. They want to be our friends. I accept.

Maybe they secretly want to convert us (Wooooooo!). So here’s how I plan to guard against that: not convert.


57 posted on 08/24/2011 12:58:58 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: dila813
Fascism is extreme nationalist .... it is on the right ... look it up ... and make sure you aren’t looking at someone’s made up definition, I mean the official traditional definition since WWII ... Fascism is on the right

And that was a definition created by the marxist enamoured left to distance themselves from nazism/facism. Where marxism had zero use for private enterprise, nazism and fascism barely tolerated it. In the case of the nazis, Hitler is repeatedly on record saying limited (crony) capitalism was only a stepping stone to total state control of the economy and a completely classless society.

Hitler and Mussolini both recognized that Western Europe with it's advanced economies could not make an immediate transition to complete state control as was done by the Bolsheviks in Russia.

58 posted on 08/24/2011 2:34:45 AM PDT by fso301
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To: dila813; joelt; 30Moves
Sorry, I forgot to reply to your Wiki link and comments in my previous post

Wikipedia actually didn’t do a bad job on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum

People have political issues that are important to them. These issues might be broadly lumped into three categories; social, fiscal and foreign policy. I neither have time nor inclination to offer up proof but suffice it to say these realms of academia and intelligencia were enamoured with communism during the early-mid 20th century and owing to marxists having taking control of the university tenure system, they remain of similar mindset today.

Especially following WWII, there was no way these people would permit a political scale to be created showing Communism, National Socialism and Fascism laminated together on one side of a spectrum. There was no way whatsoever. For them, this was an existential issue.

Don't forget, during the 1930's, the best media minds the World had ever known were in Berlin and Moscow. By 1945, Moscow was the undisputed leader in this respect. No one could turn black into white as masterfully as Moscow.

Please note that FASCISM is what all Jews think of when you say Right Wing. So when you are talking with Jews ..... you need to stay away from these left right terms ... otherwise you feed right into the left wing propaganda.

You are definitely correct here. Again, this is an example of where the left tries to compartmentalize people into groups. Once into tribal groups, the members are fearmongered endlessly. "Leaders" of these groups best understand historic fears and use a variety of private network communications to endlessly fearmonger tribal members into obedience to what they are told are the only ones standing between them and the ovens, or them and whatever historic fear they might have.

59 posted on 08/24/2011 3:17:59 AM PDT by fso301
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To: dila813
True, it was interesting how Hitler thought that getting the spear of destiny would allow him to create the Roman Empire and allow him to declare himself the Roman Pontiff with authority over the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church.

I'm not exactly sure of the context in which you mention this but in reading Hitler's writings, he simultaneously hated Christianity yet respected it as being a force more powerful than Wotanism and Odinism which it replaced.

While many nazis were into pre-Christian Euro-paganism, Hitler had lost interest in forces he deemed too weak to fight off Christianity by about 1920 at the latest.

In that context, Hitler would have seen the Spear of Destiny as a means to control Christianity.

Once Hitler had control of Christianity, he could then either resurrect "true" Wotanism/Odinism as existed thousands of years previously before becoming so feeble, or he might institute some new form of black-magic neopaganism. In either case, he had a deep hate towards Christianity.

After the war, Christians of good Aryan stock could choose to abandon Christianity, or go to the ovens. But Hitler had to wait until after the war to carry out this part of his plan.

60 posted on 08/24/2011 3:40:25 AM PDT by fso301
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To: Eleutheria5

http://www.simpletoremember.com/authors/a/rabbi-akiva-tatz/


61 posted on 08/24/2011 4:19:41 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Eleutheria5

We were in Israel 10 years ago, on pilgrimage, as strong Christians. We met with some Christians there, just for dinner. They said it was terribly difficult for Christians to live in Jerusalem (and Israel, I presume), or to get permission to stay for more than 2 months. They said there was strong anti-Christian feeling in Israel and the laws themselves reflected this.

I think the Jews are shooting themselves in the foot to reject Christians as brothers and supporters. This article mentions Catholics being anti-Israel? I’ll just say, they are ignorant as well. Judaism is the root, Israel is our Christian homeland, in some way. And there are LOTS of enemies.


62 posted on 08/24/2011 6:43:04 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: stormhill

Thank you — Gay Pagans DID put them in the ovens.


63 posted on 08/24/2011 6:44:25 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: lonevoice

Isn’t ‘paranoid and negative reaction’ referring to the Jews rejecting Beck’s and the Christians’ attention and support of Israel? And that THAT could have a negative impact on Israel?


64 posted on 08/24/2011 6:46:28 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: fso301

The if he became Pontiff, he could have declared any religion the official religion of the Roman Empire.

Because the Pope accepted the title of Pontiff, he by doing so accepted the authority of Rome over the Roman Catholic Church ... at least in Hitlers twisted view.

Each of the original apostles had arrangements and agreements with these nation states. Control the states ... you are able to invoke the agreement.

Anyways, that was what he was trying to do .... to what end though , there are only theories and Hitler’s own writings.


65 posted on 08/24/2011 7:23:55 AM PDT by dila813
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To: fso301

That ship sailed a long time ago, back when this spectrum was created, the modern left wasn’t around and at least in theory the old left didn’t control history or education.

What ever the logic, no one successfully put forward a forceful and logical argument against it.

So it is what became the default understanding of the political spectrum. All we can do is deal with it.


66 posted on 08/24/2011 7:28:56 AM PDT by dila813
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To: fso301

I don’t like it either, but facts are facts,

I have to communicate to these people and the fact is .. Fascism is on the right with these people and is the globally accepted definition.

I have to to be able to reach out to these people and don’t want them to slam the door in my face when I tell them the sky isn’t blue it is purple.


67 posted on 08/24/2011 7:31:52 AM PDT by dila813
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To: Eleutheria5

Like I said before, regardless whether you agree or disagree, this ship sailed a long time ago.

As soon as you agree that you are a right winger, at least in the eyes of Jews, you have declared yourself on the side of the political spectrum with Hitler.

BS I know, but you aren’t going to be able to redefine things to the way you would like them like the left does. You just have to deal with it.

Any other group, you many be able to have the conversation we are having. Don’t try it with the Jewish people, they aren’t going to hear you.


68 posted on 08/24/2011 7:35:11 AM PDT by dila813
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To: bboop

Bunker Mentality


69 posted on 08/24/2011 7:44:34 AM PDT by dila813
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To: stormhill

“Ok! Here we go again!! No. Gay pagans put them in ovens, not Christians”

If you say so. But Hitler sure was a baptized former alter boy, confirmed Roman Catholic. (Last I checked, baptism was permanent sealing, if you accept Roman Catholic doctrine. It was certainly sufficinet grounds to kidnap Jewish children from their homes.)

And the Nazis sure were waiving Martin Luthers “On Jews and Their Lies” book when they rallied. It was a blueprint for the Final Solution, down to confiscation of property, prison camps, and finally murder.

Sorry, as a Christian I am shamed by these actions.

And I agree a lot of the lead Nazis were pagans.

But most of the Nazis who followed who just Christian anti-semites.


70 posted on 08/24/2011 8:12:28 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: class8601_nuke

“somehow equating evangelical or any form of christianity with national socialism shows a lack of understanding about the philosophy, teachings and goals of the two world views. “

To me and you, sure.

But to outsiders, they just saw gentiles marching under a twisted cross, using Martin Luther’s teachings as the moral reason to kill them.


71 posted on 08/24/2011 8:14:07 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: dila813
I have to communicate to these people and the fact is .. Fascism is on the right with these people and is the globally accepted definition.

That I understand. It is what it is. However, I would recommend you make a distinction with these people between fascism and national socialism.

Jews don't have a great historic issue with Franco, or Mussolini. Their issue is with Hitler. Here's my point, Hitler never refers to himself, or his movement as fascist/fascism. It's always National Socialist/National Socialism.

The label fascist in reference to the nazis was applied by the Soviets. Rallying the Soviet Socialist populace to rise up against the National Socialist invaders was problematic due to the socialist being part of both sides names. Similarly, the National Socialists always refer to the Soviets as Bolsheviks, or Communists. Both sides attempted to downplay the fact that the Eastern Front was a war between socialists.

I have gotten traction when pointing out that the nazis never refer to themselves as fascists.

72 posted on 08/24/2011 8:19:07 AM PDT by fso301
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To: TheThirdRuffian
But most of the Nazis who followed who just Christian anti-semites.

By the time of Hitler, Germany if not already post-Christian was solidly on the path. Never-the-less, one still had to declare a religion and yes, most nazis had at some time in the past declared themselves Catholic or Protestant due to the law requiring them to do so probably because the only other checkbox on the form was Jewish.

73 posted on 08/24/2011 8:26:44 AM PDT by fso301
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To: carton253

“Christians didn’t put them in the ovens.”

Sadly, many of the Nazis were Christians.

“Nazism and Christians are not the same.”

I know that. You know that. The victims don’t.


74 posted on 08/24/2011 8:33:58 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: MHGinTN

“Are you a Mormon?”

No, as stated, I am a Christian. Last I checked, mormons were not Christian.

Since we’re asking personal questions: are you a moron?


75 posted on 08/24/2011 8:35:23 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: fso301

“Ahem. The nazis were occultists.”

Some, sure.

But sadly, the rank-and-file were Roman Catholic or Lutheran.


76 posted on 08/24/2011 8:36:49 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: fso301

That might work with some Russian Jews.

I worked for a Jewish Family from Western Europe when I was growing up. The younger ones seemed pretty well grounded in US Definitions while at the same time understanding their parents.

Their parents wouldn’t talk to anyone they thought was right wing, or deal with anyone who did.

It was like their way to get back at the Hitler and the prosecution they went through though the shunning of that element of society they perceived as taking part.

Their children had to follow what their parents believed otherwise they would find themselves outside the family ostracized.


77 posted on 08/24/2011 8:39:03 AM PDT by dila813
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To: SaraJohnson

“You put Jews in ovens because you are a Christian?”

No, and I never said that.

Look, I know what the Nazis were, and so do you.

But they sure cloaked themselves in the banner of Christiandom. Hitler used his Roman Catholic upbringing to his advantage when he could.

Martin Luther WROTE the seven-step plan for the Final Solution.

And the Nazis waived and printed copies of Luther’s anti-semitic tracks as part-and-parcel of their agenda.

And rank-and-file Nazis sure were Christians.

Now, I know what the Nazis did was un-Christian.

Yes, they literally took Christ’s name in vain when doing evil things in Christ’s name.

But, as Christians, we have to own up to what was done (wrongfully) in the name of our Savior, Jesus Christ, by these evil men.

And with that understanding, we can understand why Jewish people -— logically -— mistrust us.


78 posted on 08/24/2011 8:42:34 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: Elsiejay

“Waall, I’ll be hornswoggled! I thought the warriors that destroyed and defeated the oven-stokers were basically Christians, citizens of a basically Christian nation and motivated to a significant degree by an essentially Christian mindset.”

I don’t disagree with you, at all.

I am attempting to explain why many Jewish people mistrust us, and the more-or-less 2000 years of treating them like crap has taken a toll.


79 posted on 08/24/2011 8:46:41 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: Avalon Hussar

Closer to the truth that Christians let their dislike or even hatred of the Jews allow them to stand by while the Nazis stripped Jews of their properties, their liberties and finally even their lives. This along with their own fear of the Nazis. Fear is the great enabler of injustice.


80 posted on 08/24/2011 8:47:15 AM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: Eleutheria5

“Mormon”

Mormons worship multiple gods; ergo they do not follow the Seven Laws of Noah.


81 posted on 08/24/2011 8:49:24 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: Jmouse007

Mormonism is somewhat like Marcionism, along-ago. gnostic Christian heresy. But that heresy was deeply anti-semitic. Neither, I think. preaches the Christ of the Gospels, since it is based on the supposed revelation to Joseph Smith which is found in the “Book of Mormon.” That said, the Mormons are as close in sentiment to the Jews as evangelicals.


82 posted on 08/24/2011 8:54:50 AM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: Eleutheria5
I am a former Fundamentalist Protestant and I have defended Fundamentalist Protestants on this forum ever since I signed up. I have also defended Fundamentalist Protestants elsewhere and shall continue to do so.

HOWEVER--there is an element to this opposition to Glenn Beck and this rally that everyone is missing. Just as chr*stians reject the islamic doctrine that islam is the fulfillment of chr*stianity, and therefore of attempts to mix the two religions ("chrislam"), Jews do not recognize chr*stianity's claim to be the fulfillment of Judaism, and attempts to mix Judaism and chr*stianity together the way "messianic Jews" and "Hebrew roots" people do is an unclean, ecumenical, new age nightmare. They want nothing to do with the dilution of their religion by alien beliefs.

Chr*stians simply don't seem to understand that the "new testament" is not part of the Jewish Bible. But it's not. Jews regard chr*stianity the same way chr*stians do islam or mormonism. It is a sham and an imposition, and any attempt to blur the distinction between Torah Judaism (and the Jewish People) and chr*stianity is bad, bad, BAD. I know you don't agree with this, but please try at least to understand.

As much as I love Fundamentalist Protestants, I must insist that those FP's who condemn mormons who call themselves chr*stians are being hypocritical when they demand that Jews treat them as though they were fellow Jews practicing another, slightly more idiosyncratic, version of Judaism. They are not.

83 posted on 08/24/2011 9:07:08 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
But sadly, the rank-and-file were Roman Catholic or Lutheran.

Did you see my post #73 to you?.

84 posted on 08/24/2011 9:11:53 AM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

Yes, your information is incorrect.


85 posted on 08/24/2011 9:34:21 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: dila813
That might work with some Russian Jews.

As well as those taking pride in their scholarship. Point out that notable European Fascists were in Italy and Spain. Franco in Spain actually provided sanctuary for Jews whereas the greatest calamity in Jewish history took place at the hands of Socialists.

I worked for a Jewish Family from Western Europe when I was growing up. The younger ones seemed pretty well grounded in US Definitions while at the same time understanding their parents.

Their parents wouldn’t talk to anyone they thought was right wing, or deal with anyone who did.

It was like their way to get back at the Hitler and the prosecution they went through though the shunning of that element of society they perceived as taking part.

That's understandable but consider pointing out that in being vigilant, Jews should not make the classic mistake generals do by preparing for the previous war.

86 posted on 08/24/2011 9:47:00 AM PDT by fso301
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To: TheThirdRuffian
Yes, your information is incorrect.

Why not help myself and others reading these posts by citing some historic reference?

87 posted on 08/24/2011 10:04:18 AM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

You know the type...they cover their ears and look away if they are nice, if they are mean they kick you in the shin.

There is no conversation or possibly of them reconsidering their definitions.

This is like trying to convince an old codger that they don’t know something they are convinced they do know... not only will they not listen... they find the discussion insulting from a youngling.


88 posted on 08/24/2011 10:22:07 AM PDT by dila813
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Yes, they literally took Christ’s name in vain when doing evil things in Christ’s name.


You don’t know too much about Hitler and his Nazis. They were into peganism - not Christianity. They were new agers and they embraced what we would call the “culture of death” or material humanism today. Leftist utopians are still dreaming about improving the world by killing off massive numbers of inferior people and enemmies - this time in the name of environmentalism. Christians and Jews are targeted.

Christians don’t believe in group guilt and group innocence. That is tribalism and it is results in an endless cycle of exploitation, violence and hate which ruled the world when Jesus came. Jesus introduced a new concept - individual repentence for one’s sins and forgivness through his sacrifice. Do you forgive the occultist Nazis for murdering the Jews?


89 posted on 08/24/2011 10:24:10 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Myself, I don’t have to mix Judaism and Christianity. Nor do I want to. It’s enough that we are friends and allies against Islamofascism. I’m for forming friendships with Hindus, Mormons, and even Muslims such as Kurds, who are being targeted by the Islamofascists everywhere, as Jews are. Enemy of enemy = friend.


90 posted on 08/24/2011 10:31:39 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Wouldn’t know a thing about it. I read a chapter or two of the Book of Mormon, and it sounded like a bad immitation of the King James translation of the Bible. Whether or not they are polytheistic is between them and the One G-d. Are they opposed to Islamofascism? Are they supportive of our claims to our land? OK. Friends.


91 posted on 08/24/2011 10:35:19 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: bboop

This is the first I hear of this. There are diverse Christian communities in Jerusalem. I see them all the time. The Old City regularly rings with the bells of many churches.


92 posted on 08/24/2011 10:48:35 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
No, the Nazis weren't Christians either. No one who did what the Nazis did can say they were following Christ's teaching.

As Keith Green said, going to church doesn't make you a Christian anymore than going to McDonald's makes you a hamburger.

93 posted on 08/24/2011 11:44:55 AM PDT by carton253
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To: fso301


You're the one making the unsubstantiated claim that rank-and-file Germans were not largely Lutheran or Roman Catholic; you first.
94 posted on 08/24/2011 1:45:51 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: SaraJohnson

“You don’t know too much about Hitler and his Nazis.”

I know more than you will ever know.

“They were into peganism - not Christianity.”

I agree some of the leaders certainly were. But that IS NOT THE POINT.

The point is that the Nazis purported to be Christians, cloaked themselves in Christian imagary, used Christians writers (e.g., the foul anti-semite Martin Luther) to give themselves credibility to the rank-and-file Nazi German -— who were, overwhelmingly, either Roman Catholic or Lutheran.

I am not saying the Nazi leaders WERE Christians (although many were)-— I am saying the Nazi leaders APPEARED TO BE Christians to the outside world -— and to Jews, in particular.

This APPEARANCE is one of the many reasons Jews mistrust us.

(That and 2000 years of treating them like crap.)


95 posted on 08/24/2011 1:51:12 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: carton253

Kindly read the post above this one.


96 posted on 08/24/2011 1:52:07 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Not even, but you have now shown yourself to be an asshat. I asked a very simple, non-offensive question. To which you replied in what is apparently your natural tone.


97 posted on 08/24/2011 1:54:18 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

No thank you!


98 posted on 08/24/2011 2:05:17 PM PDT by carton253
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To: fso301
Because I am in a giving mood, I'll show you a little bit about how the Nazis co-opted Christianity and how so many "good" Christians fell the for the Nazi, anti-semite, line.

I'll start with the Bishop of the Reich, Abbot Schachleitner

Hitler leaving Mass.

Hitler's mom's grave. She had a normal Roman Catholic funeral.

Goring's Wedding. Look who was in the front row!

Nazis' celebrating Christmas.



Note the Catholic Chi-Rho Cross to the right of the Nazi flag. Chi and Rho are the first two letters of the Greek word for Christ.

Now, what did the Nazi Brown Shirts do before a rally? Go to Church and Pray, of course:



What flag flew in front of the Cologne Cathedral?

Archeologist say the best test of purported religion is how a country buried its dead. So how did the Nazis bury their war dead?




Another test is the Chaplains they take to war. Who did the Nazis take to war?

And this doesn't even cover the civilian stuff --- like the German Christian movement --- A radical wing of German Lutheranism and the main Protestant branch supporting Nazi ideology, the German Christian Movement reconciled Christian doctrine with German nationalism and antisemitism.

In the evangelical world, it was the Deutsche Christen (DC).



Here are SA StormTroopers supporting their version of Nazi evangelical Christians.

Still more German Christians

So, in short, we, as Christians, should reasonably expect mistrust from victims of horrid people who purported to be Christians. Being mad at said victims is counterproductive.

99 posted on 08/24/2011 2:26:26 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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Page from the anti-Semitic German children's book, "Der Giftpilz" (The Poisonous Mushroom). The text reads, "When you see a cross, then think of the horrible murder by the Jews on Golgotha..."

Going on to Nazi funerals, what did they say?




And hey, who is that with Jesus on the Baptismal font of this Lutheran Church? Why a Nazi soldier! And Hitler!

Going back to what the Nazi Chaplains. Let's look close at their uniform. Did they purport to be Christian?

And how about the Hitler Youth? What did their momentoes look like?

How about other stuff?


Again, as a Christian, I know that Christians should not do what the Nazis did. And I know the Nazis twisted Christianity, just like they did everything else.

But to hide from what was done (falsely) in our Savior's name is stupidity.

100 posted on 08/24/2011 2:43:22 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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