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Activist: Rejecting Beck, Evangelicals Would be 'Suicidal'
Arutz Sheva ^ | 24/8/11 | David Lev

Posted on 08/23/2011 4:34:15 PM PDT by Eleutheria5

The debate on the intentions of Glenn Beck and other Christian evangelicals rages on, and Dr. Gadi Eshel, a Land of Israel activist, told Arutz 7 Tuesday that while he did not believe that Beck's intentions were improper, rejecting the friendship of evangelicals could cause anti-Semitism.

Eshel was responding to comments by Jerusalem City Council member Mina Fenton Monday, who voiced vociferous opposition to Beck's appearance in Jerusalem on Wednesday, saying that his rally was designed to encourage missionary activity. Eshel told Arutz 7 that Christians like Beck supported Israel because they were strong believers in the Bible, and not out of missionary reasons.

“The basic belief of Christians like Beck is that the Torah and Tanach are divine in nature and precede the Christian Gospels. This is different than the beliefs of traditional Christians, like Roman Catholics, and even Episcopalians, who participate in boycotts against Israel,” he said.

As such, Eshel said, rejecting the friendship offered unconditionally by Beck and evangelicals in general would be the ultimate in ingratitude.

“Such ingratitude would be an act of suicide,” he said. “This could cause great damage potentially. The paranoia and automatic negative reaction has the potential to cause a great wave of anti-Semitism.” With all the concerns about the rise of radical Islam and the isolation of Israel even by the U.S., Eshel says, “spitting at and rejecting Israel's most loyal friends would truly be an act of suicide.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: activists; beck; courage; eshel; evangelicals; glennbeck; israel; restorecourage; suicidal
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To: Eleutheria5


Mormons worship multiple gods; ergo they do not follow the Seven Laws of Noah.

81 posted on 08/24/2011 8:49:24 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: Jmouse007

Mormonism is somewhat like Marcionism, along-ago. gnostic Christian heresy. But that heresy was deeply anti-semitic. Neither, I think. preaches the Christ of the Gospels, since it is based on the supposed revelation to Joseph Smith which is found in the “Book of Mormon.” That said, the Mormons are as close in sentiment to the Jews as evangelicals.

82 posted on 08/24/2011 8:54:50 AM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: Eleutheria5
I am a former Fundamentalist Protestant and I have defended Fundamentalist Protestants on this forum ever since I signed up. I have also defended Fundamentalist Protestants elsewhere and shall continue to do so.

HOWEVER--there is an element to this opposition to Glenn Beck and this rally that everyone is missing. Just as chr*stians reject the islamic doctrine that islam is the fulfillment of chr*stianity, and therefore of attempts to mix the two religions ("chrislam"), Jews do not recognize chr*stianity's claim to be the fulfillment of Judaism, and attempts to mix Judaism and chr*stianity together the way "messianic Jews" and "Hebrew roots" people do is an unclean, ecumenical, new age nightmare. They want nothing to do with the dilution of their religion by alien beliefs.

Chr*stians simply don't seem to understand that the "new testament" is not part of the Jewish Bible. But it's not. Jews regard chr*stianity the same way chr*stians do islam or mormonism. It is a sham and an imposition, and any attempt to blur the distinction between Torah Judaism (and the Jewish People) and chr*stianity is bad, bad, BAD. I know you don't agree with this, but please try at least to understand.

As much as I love Fundamentalist Protestants, I must insist that those FP's who condemn mormons who call themselves chr*stians are being hypocritical when they demand that Jews treat them as though they were fellow Jews practicing another, slightly more idiosyncratic, version of Judaism. They are not.

83 posted on 08/24/2011 9:07:08 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
But sadly, the rank-and-file were Roman Catholic or Lutheran.

Did you see my post #73 to you?.

84 posted on 08/24/2011 9:11:53 AM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

Yes, your information is incorrect.

85 posted on 08/24/2011 9:34:21 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: dila813
That might work with some Russian Jews.

As well as those taking pride in their scholarship. Point out that notable European Fascists were in Italy and Spain. Franco in Spain actually provided sanctuary for Jews whereas the greatest calamity in Jewish history took place at the hands of Socialists.

I worked for a Jewish Family from Western Europe when I was growing up. The younger ones seemed pretty well grounded in US Definitions while at the same time understanding their parents.

Their parents wouldn’t talk to anyone they thought was right wing, or deal with anyone who did.

It was like their way to get back at the Hitler and the prosecution they went through though the shunning of that element of society they perceived as taking part.

That's understandable but consider pointing out that in being vigilant, Jews should not make the classic mistake generals do by preparing for the previous war.

86 posted on 08/24/2011 9:47:00 AM PDT by fso301
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To: TheThirdRuffian
Yes, your information is incorrect.

Why not help myself and others reading these posts by citing some historic reference?

87 posted on 08/24/2011 10:04:18 AM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

You know the type...they cover their ears and look away if they are nice, if they are mean they kick you in the shin.

There is no conversation or possibly of them reconsidering their definitions.

This is like trying to convince an old codger that they don’t know something they are convinced they do know... not only will they not listen... they find the discussion insulting from a youngling.

88 posted on 08/24/2011 10:22:07 AM PDT by dila813
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Yes, they literally took Christ’s name in vain when doing evil things in Christ’s name.

You don’t know too much about Hitler and his Nazis. They were into peganism - not Christianity. They were new agers and they embraced what we would call the “culture of death” or material humanism today. Leftist utopians are still dreaming about improving the world by killing off massive numbers of inferior people and enemmies - this time in the name of environmentalism. Christians and Jews are targeted.

Christians don’t believe in group guilt and group innocence. That is tribalism and it is results in an endless cycle of exploitation, violence and hate which ruled the world when Jesus came. Jesus introduced a new concept - individual repentence for one’s sins and forgivness through his sacrifice. Do you forgive the occultist Nazis for murdering the Jews?

89 posted on 08/24/2011 10:24:10 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Myself, I don’t have to mix Judaism and Christianity. Nor do I want to. It’s enough that we are friends and allies against Islamofascism. I’m for forming friendships with Hindus, Mormons, and even Muslims such as Kurds, who are being targeted by the Islamofascists everywhere, as Jews are. Enemy of enemy = friend.

90 posted on 08/24/2011 10:31:39 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Wouldn’t know a thing about it. I read a chapter or two of the Book of Mormon, and it sounded like a bad immitation of the King James translation of the Bible. Whether or not they are polytheistic is between them and the One G-d. Are they opposed to Islamofascism? Are they supportive of our claims to our land? OK. Friends.

91 posted on 08/24/2011 10:35:19 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: bboop

This is the first I hear of this. There are diverse Christian communities in Jerusalem. I see them all the time. The Old City regularly rings with the bells of many churches.

92 posted on 08/24/2011 10:48:35 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
No, the Nazis weren't Christians either. No one who did what the Nazis did can say they were following Christ's teaching.

As Keith Green said, going to church doesn't make you a Christian anymore than going to McDonald's makes you a hamburger.

93 posted on 08/24/2011 11:44:55 AM PDT by carton253
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To: fso301

You're the one making the unsubstantiated claim that rank-and-file Germans were not largely Lutheran or Roman Catholic; you first.
94 posted on 08/24/2011 1:45:51 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: SaraJohnson

“You don’t know too much about Hitler and his Nazis.”

I know more than you will ever know.

“They were into peganism - not Christianity.”

I agree some of the leaders certainly were. But that IS NOT THE POINT.

The point is that the Nazis purported to be Christians, cloaked themselves in Christian imagary, used Christians writers (e.g., the foul anti-semite Martin Luther) to give themselves credibility to the rank-and-file Nazi German -— who were, overwhelmingly, either Roman Catholic or Lutheran.

I am not saying the Nazi leaders WERE Christians (although many were)-— I am saying the Nazi leaders APPEARED TO BE Christians to the outside world -— and to Jews, in particular.

This APPEARANCE is one of the many reasons Jews mistrust us.

(That and 2000 years of treating them like crap.)

95 posted on 08/24/2011 1:51:12 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: carton253

Kindly read the post above this one.

96 posted on 08/24/2011 1:52:07 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Not even, but you have now shown yourself to be an asshat. I asked a very simple, non-offensive question. To which you replied in what is apparently your natural tone.

97 posted on 08/24/2011 1:54:18 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

No thank you!

98 posted on 08/24/2011 2:05:17 PM PDT by carton253
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To: fso301
Because I am in a giving mood, I'll show you a little bit about how the Nazis co-opted Christianity and how so many "good" Christians fell the for the Nazi, anti-semite, line.

I'll start with the Bishop of the Reich, Abbot Schachleitner

Hitler leaving Mass.

Hitler's mom's grave. She had a normal Roman Catholic funeral.

Goring's Wedding. Look who was in the front row!

Nazis' celebrating Christmas.

Note the Catholic Chi-Rho Cross to the right of the Nazi flag. Chi and Rho are the first two letters of the Greek word for Christ.

Now, what did the Nazi Brown Shirts do before a rally? Go to Church and Pray, of course:

What flag flew in front of the Cologne Cathedral?

Archeologist say the best test of purported religion is how a country buried its dead. So how did the Nazis bury their war dead?

Another test is the Chaplains they take to war. Who did the Nazis take to war?

And this doesn't even cover the civilian stuff --- like the German Christian movement --- A radical wing of German Lutheranism and the main Protestant branch supporting Nazi ideology, the German Christian Movement reconciled Christian doctrine with German nationalism and antisemitism.

In the evangelical world, it was the Deutsche Christen (DC).

Here are SA StormTroopers supporting their version of Nazi evangelical Christians.

Still more German Christians

So, in short, we, as Christians, should reasonably expect mistrust from victims of horrid people who purported to be Christians. Being mad at said victims is counterproductive.

99 posted on 08/24/2011 2:26:26 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: carton253
Page from the anti-Semitic German children's book, "Der Giftpilz" (The Poisonous Mushroom). The text reads, "When you see a cross, then think of the horrible murder by the Jews on Golgotha..."

Going on to Nazi funerals, what did they say?

And hey, who is that with Jesus on the Baptismal font of this Lutheran Church? Why a Nazi soldier! And Hitler!

Going back to what the Nazi Chaplains. Let's look close at their uniform. Did they purport to be Christian?

And how about the Hitler Youth? What did their momentoes look like?

How about other stuff?

Again, as a Christian, I know that Christians should not do what the Nazis did. And I know the Nazis twisted Christianity, just like they did everything else.

But to hide from what was done (falsely) in our Savior's name is stupidity.

100 posted on 08/24/2011 2:43:22 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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