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Tea party as the new 'kulaks'
WND ^ | 8/22/2011 | Jack Cashill

Posted on 08/24/2011 4:48:54 PM PDT by Qbert

The oddball media slander of the tea party, now routine, shows more than a little calculation along a rather perilous historical line.

In the 1920s, in advance of the collectivization of private farms, Soviet leadership stigmatized as "class enemies" a productive set of landowners known as "kulaks."

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In the beginning, the Soviets attempted to turn peasant farmers against the kulaks by denouncing them, in Mr. Lenin's illiberal words, as "bloodsuckers, vampires, plunderers of the people and profiteers, who fatten on famine."

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Before he was through, Stalin and his progressive pals killed off at least 5 million of these people either though starvation, ruthless deportation or outright murder.

If you think the analogy between tea party and kulak a bit extreme, allow me to share a few recent quotes, the first from Pulitzer Prize-winning columnist Maureen Dowd of the New York Times (whose ace reporter, Walter Duranty, covered up Stalin's terror-famine and won a Pulitzer for it):

"Tea Party budget-slashers … were like cannibals, eating their own party and leaders alive. They were like vampires, draining the country's reputation, credit rating and compassion."

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Bloomberg columnist Margaret Carlson weighed in as well, her mangled prose not quite obscuring her unhinged contempt:

"There's a nihilist caucus which is, 'Listen, we want to burn the place down.' I mean, they're not, they've strapped explosives to the Capitol and they think they are immune from it."

Steven Rattner, MSNBC's economic analyst, extended the jihadi metaphor on Morning Joe:

"It's like a form of economic terrorism. I imagine these tea party guys are, like, strapped with dynamite, standing in the middle of Times Square at rush hour and saying, 'Either you do it my way, or we're going to blow you up, ourselves up, and the whole country up with us.'"

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: classwarfare; demagoguery; kulaks; obamunism

1 posted on 08/24/2011 4:48:57 PM PDT by Qbert
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To: Qbert

These kulaks have guns. Come and get us, Red Guards!


2 posted on 08/24/2011 4:50:36 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: GAB-1955

LOL


3 posted on 08/24/2011 4:53:53 PM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert

Mark


4 posted on 08/24/2011 4:54:50 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: Qbert

They are going with a talking point in a time when polls say people favor spending cuts over Tax increases. This talking point is a continuation of the same line that failed in 2010.


5 posted on 08/24/2011 4:58:28 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Qbert

To my knowledge, the kulaks were hardly wealthy. {or not?} They simply had a little more than the useful idiots who had nothing.

History teaches us that evil bastards know how to play “divide and conquer”.


6 posted on 08/24/2011 5:01:39 PM PDT by labette ( Humble student of Thinkology)
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To: GAB-1955
These kulaks have guns.

Danged straight. And we aren't afraid to use them.

I often think of my uncle, a Navy medic in WW2, he was at Omaha beach on D-Day. He served in a MASH unit in Korea. He served in Vietnam. For his names' sake, I will NOT let the United States sink into communism without a fight.

7 posted on 08/24/2011 5:04:00 PM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Yep. And they had every opportunity to raise taxes for the two years that they controlled Congress and the presidency if they wanted to do so.

Most people see through the lame charade.


8 posted on 08/24/2011 5:04:10 PM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert

Obamacare is the method for killing off the Tea Party Kulaks.

All they have to do is deny care to those identified as being in opposition to the regime.

If there’s one Democrat with a conscience, they will let a journalist know that there is an Enemies List that is tied to the Obamacare programs.


9 posted on 08/24/2011 5:11:16 PM PDT by darth
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To: Qbert

I like that analogy. I was thinking of the Jews in Nazi Germany, myself. Every political huckster needs an enemy.


10 posted on 08/24/2011 5:13:05 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The Liberal Era is over.)
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To: Qbert

The greatest crimes by far are those perpetrated by governments, under the guise of protecting the people.


11 posted on 08/24/2011 5:14:41 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The Liberal Era is over.)
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To: labette

"To my knowledge, the kulaks were hardly wealthy. {or not?} They simply had a little more than the useful idiots who had nothing."

"Many were not wealthier, only more industrious..."

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080303065735AAs9sAL

12 posted on 08/24/2011 5:14:57 PM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert

“Kill the kulaks! They’re horders and wreckers!”

Everything old is new again.


13 posted on 08/24/2011 5:16:05 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Where's he getting these ideas? He's not smart enough to be that stupid all by himself.)
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To: Qbert
Fair is Fair...Two can play that game

The Democrats are the Nazis calling for the extermination of Tea Party Jews


14 posted on 08/24/2011 5:17:20 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: Qbert

That’s funny. I made this historical reference in detail several times on FR in the past couple of weeks.

I guess it’s an obvious one.

Or, the writer reads FR. :-)


15 posted on 08/24/2011 5:19:22 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (At best, all the Republicans are willing to give the Federal Behemoth is a slight haircut.)
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To: Qbert

Well, kulaks vote and write checks that keep dumb $hxx polticians in office....


16 posted on 08/24/2011 5:19:34 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: Qbert

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
— Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn


17 posted on 08/24/2011 5:24:35 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: popdonnelly

I read some quotations from various Soviet officials about the Kulaks, and if you substitute “Tea Party member” for that group, it’s downright spooky how similar the rhetoric is to what the American leftists are saying today. The same class warfare, the same isolating and demonizing of targets like the Soviets...

(Of course the German National Socialists had the same hatred for Jewish capitalists, as well.)


18 posted on 08/24/2011 5:26:42 PM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert

bm


19 posted on 08/24/2011 5:32:28 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: Qbert

Actually I think a better comparison can be made with government employees. Tea party members are political activists, not a social/occupational group. Like government employees today, kulaks were vilified simply on the basis of their occupation, not for their political activism. They lived their lives in good faith and were castigated for political purposes. I’m not saying that there aren’t abuses and waste in the public sector, or that all public sector workers are blameless, but the broad brush attacks on civil servants remind me of the outlandish charges leveled against the kulaks during the period of collectivism.


20 posted on 08/24/2011 5:32:56 PM PDT by Route797
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To: GAB-1955

We have Guns because the founders of this Nation could see into the future. They knew the M Carlson, M Dowd and A Gores would be comming because they had their kin right there with them.
They did not give us the right to have them just for wall art either.


21 posted on 08/24/2011 5:34:31 PM PDT by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: Travis McGee

"We didn’t love freedom enough."

That has to be one of the most chilling sentences ever written.

22 posted on 08/24/2011 5:38:58 PM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert

I wrote “Surviving Civil War II” to point out that we are already in a Civil War, just that our side hasn’t awakened to that fact yet. Besides the propaganda calling us terrorists, hobits, teabaggers (ugh!) etc., the left uses a proxy army of illegal aliens, criminals, union brownshirts and anarchists to intimidate us.
http://www.futurnamics.com/civilwar.php
There’s a new youtube there I just posted.


23 posted on 08/24/2011 5:39:51 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (HARRY: Money Mob & Influence (See my Expose on Reid on amazon.com written by me!))
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To: Route797
Like government employees today, kulaks were vilified simply on the basis of their occupation,

They were not vilified on the basis of their occupation. They were vilified on the basis of belonging to a particular socio-economic class. They were vilified as exploiters of the peasant class. It was their relationship to another class that was exploited.

Furthermore, government employees are not demonized by the government, as the kulaks were. That is a huge difference. It's odd that you've overlooked it. Perhaps you got lost on your way to the DUmpster?

24 posted on 08/24/2011 5:43:57 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: FReepers
And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!
25 posted on 08/24/2011 5:46:22 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Travis McGee
gmta  
26 posted on 08/24/2011 5:49:05 PM PDT by tomkat (1775)
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To: Yardstick
<[>They (kulaks) were not vilified on the basis of their occupation. They were vilified on the basis of belonging to a particular socio-economic class. They were vilified as exploiters of the peasant class. It was their relationship to another class that was exploited.

Government employees are considered by some to be a separate socio-economic class, They are vilified as exploiters of the private sector. The so-called governmental class is attacked on the basis of their relationship to a supposedly separate private class.

Furthermore, government employees are not demonized by the government, as the kulaks were. That is a huge difference. It's odd that you've overlooked it.

Government employees are demonized by people who may have an influence upon the government.

Perhaps you got lost on your way to the DUmpster?

I've been a conservative my entire adult life but it's odd how some seem to want to write people like myself (a retired postal employee) out of the conservative movement simply on the basis of who we happened to work for. That sort of guilt by occupation reminds me of the guilt by social class/occupation of the kulaks.

27 posted on 08/24/2011 6:02:24 PM PDT by Route797
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To: Route797

My county government in washington only hires leftist environmentalist.

I refuse county personnel access to my property which they believe belongs to them.

A few years ago the county created a secret list of land owners. A revenge list or a $hix list.

This was discovered via foia.

Tell me how wrong I am again.


28 posted on 08/24/2011 6:08:05 PM PDT by kennyboy509 ( Ha! I kill me!!!)
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To: kennyboy509
Your county government doesn't represent every single governmental employee in the nation, There are good and bad in all groups. Aren't Sarah Palin’s parents and brother current or retired public school employees?
29 posted on 08/24/2011 6:14:07 PM PDT by Route797
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To: kennyboy509

The next step: Obama’s minions will deounce Tea Partyers as “enemies of the people”.

But this isn’t Solzhenitsyn’s Russia. The `class enemies’ are armed. And if local LEOs start kicking in doors, recall frightened Soviet subjects didn’t have cell cameras and twitter, either. The next `flash mob’ might well consist of networked armed citizens in their homes with nothing left to lose when that loud knock comes.


30 posted on 08/24/2011 6:17:00 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: Route797
"Government employees are considered by some to be a separate socio-economic class, They are vilified as exploiters of the private sector. The so-called governmental class is attacked on the basis of their relationship to a supposedly separate private class...Government employees are demonized by people who may have an influence upon the government.

I've been a conservative my entire adult life.."

A pro-Big Government "Conservative"?...

31 posted on 08/24/2011 7:26:20 PM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert; labette

The kulaks were industrious.

They were also isolated, insular and remarkably independent. They farmed, worked and traded amongst themselves.

My (admittedly limited) reading suggests that their wealth wasn’t predominantly in money, or gold, but rather land in some instances and raw materials and simply a willingness to work and advance.

They were wealthy in their freedom and self-sufficiency and that is why Stalin—much like the vile Steve Rattners of today—could not tolerate them.


32 posted on 08/24/2011 7:33:53 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Qbert
A pro-Big Government "Conservative"?..

What exactly is big government? I was forty years old before I heard the first thing about the Postal Service being a supposed affront to the idea of limited government. Most people who are working in government are just trying to make a living, playing the game by the rules now in effect. They aren't trying to make a political statement. They're just trying to survive. They aren't trying to exploit their fellow citizens. Those citizens that they supposedly exploit are their friends and relatives.

One can make an argument that their jobs are unnecessary or counterproductive, but I don't see a need to portray all civil servants as traitors to decent society. They are people who are no different than anybody else, not an alien force that seeks to oppress their fellow Americans.

The real argument should be with the people that wrote the rules of the game, not the people who must play by those rules.

33 posted on 08/24/2011 7:54:19 PM PDT by Route797
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To: Route797

“One can make an argument that their jobs are unnecessary or counterproductive, but I don’t see a need to portray all civil servants as traitors to decent society.”

Where have I said anything remotely resembling that claim?


34 posted on 08/24/2011 8:06:37 PM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: kennyboy509; Route797
"My county government in washington only hires leftist environmentalist.

I refuse county personnel access to my property which they believe belongs to them.

A few years ago the county created a secret list of land owners. A revenge list or a $hix list.

This was discovered via foia.

Tell me how wrong I am again.
"

You're right, and those things are happening all over our country, including some of the most sparsely populated, Republican majority counties in the USA. They patrol private properties in fishing expeditions without cause and at will. When there are no dupes trying to build anything on their own nearly worthless properties ("impact fees," always regulatory problems requiring "engineering," etc.), the officious spread lies and fabricate crimes in order to steal more.

One County "police officer" (deputy in a Republican Sheriff's Dept.), only because of my specialty in prior service to my country, told me that I was "like Timothy McVeigh" (even though McVeigh was only infantry). Also, my religious belief is more opposed to any kind of neo-Nazi belief than his (something that he didn't know). Others have run car stops on me at random with poor excuses and no real cause. And I'm pretty much in the middle of nowhere.

The only answer is to be nonpolitical, refuse to cooperate with any immoral deed, even under fear of officious reprisal, to avoid any unnecessary personal spending, and to become as self-sufficient as possible.


35 posted on 08/24/2011 8:11:25 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96)
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To: Qbert

Sorry. I get carried away sometimes. Maybe it’s old age kicking in.


36 posted on 08/24/2011 8:12:16 PM PDT by Route797
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To: Route797
"Like government employees today, kulaks were vilified simply on the basis of their occupation, not for their political activism. "

That's a very dishonest argument.

* Kulaks were deprived of their properties and terrorized by government criminals. People with government positions/incomes in nearly every locale are doing the same to property owners now with obvious intentions to intensify their campaigns.

* Government employees are using both their positions and bipartisan political activism to subjugate, steal from and violate the property rights of other Americans.


37 posted on 08/24/2011 8:20:30 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96)
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To: familyop
Some government employees do those things but not all. Saying every public employee is like that is like saying every American soldier in Vietnam was like William Calley.

I'm sorry that you've had problems with government officials. I had nothing to do with that. I worked for the Postal service and wrestled containers of mail. Most government employees are low level functionaries who would be horrified at the thought that they were doing harm to others. You might say that their positions are unnecessary, or that they are overcompensated, but they aren't trying to hurt you.

Sorry if I'm getting carried away again!

38 posted on 08/24/2011 8:34:56 PM PDT by Route797
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To: Route797

You were a postal employee and provided a welcome service. Most other local government employees with federal funding do not (social workers, “us against them,” lifelong civilian cops casing others for revenues, planning/zoning and building regulators, public education employees and more).


39 posted on 08/24/2011 9:00:24 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96)
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To: Qbert
The Jackasses are masters at namecalling, posturing and projection.

The best defense is to go through the arrogant behavior of the 111th congress and their particular version of "our way or the highway." I can hardly wait until the current House majority lock out the opposition party, literally, and rewrite a gutted bill all by themsleves. Remember that one?

Remember the Democratic idea of "compromise?" Let the opposition into the building and ridicule them as they passed bill after bill down the Citizen's throat. If a little socialist abuse is good, a lot of marxism is better.

Without exception, every name, every disparaging behavior real or metaphorical that they mindlessly employ describes their own behavior perfectly. Their jihad against the Constitution, against the rule of law and against ethical behavior will forever be discussed in the future, as a low point of the Republic, perhaps as bad or worse as the Civil War.

And the taxpayers are the new slaves.

40 posted on 08/24/2011 10:25:41 PM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: Route797
the broad brush attacks on civil servants remind me of the outlandish charges leveled against the kulaks during the period of collectivism.

Of course, a good socialist/communist is compelled to say that. Never mind that the comparison is absurd, one being a producer, the other a parasite.
I'll let others sort out which is which.

The poor abused pigs, the "more equal" animals deserve the better status, wealth, perks and position they enjoy so much so, that they can spend hundreds of millions$ to maintain their priviledged position.

The working taxpayer, the horse, better not complain, cuz their perfect paradise depends on him.

41 posted on 08/24/2011 10:41:35 PM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: Route797
...it's odd how some seem to want to write people like myself (a retired postal employee) out of the conservative movement simply on the basis of who we happened to work for. That sort of guilt by occupation reminds me of the guilt by social class/occupation of the kulaks.

This "guilt by occupation" is unfortunately as real as the rising of the sun.
It is a deserved guilt applied to the millions of parasites whose last refuge is always "I was just doing my job; following orders."

42 posted on 08/24/2011 10:48:11 PM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: Publius6961
Of course, a good socialist/communist is compelled to say that. Never mind that the comparison is absurd, one being a producer, the other a parasite.

I never considered myself a parasite. I performed a service for customers. I didn't sit around and draw a paycheck for nothing, and I tried to perform my work to the best of my ability. Post offices are explicitly mentioned in the Constitution, so one can't say that the existence of my job was any sort of unconstitutional usurpation.

The poor abused pigs, the "more equal" animals deserve the better status, wealth, perks and position they enjoy so much so, that they can spend hundreds of millions$ to maintain their priviledged position.

I never sought to manipulate myself into better status, wealth, or position. I simply wanted to make an honest living.

The working taxpayer, the horse, better not complain, cuz their perfect paradise depends on him.

My relatives, friends, and fellow citizens are working taxpayers. Why would I want to harm them?

43 posted on 08/25/2011 5:14:34 AM PDT by Route797
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To: Route797
They are vilified as exploiters of the private sector. The so-called governmental class is attacked on the basis of their relationship to a supposedly separate private class.

They are vilified as beneficiaries of the government, which exploits or at least burdens the private sector, which happens to be true. Part of what makes conservatives conservatives is that they are not friends of Leviathan. Does that bug you?

Government employees are demonized by people who may have an influence upon the government.

Which isn't exactly the same thing as being demonized by the government and its friends, is it.

But here's the real nub of all this: the communists saw the kulaks as an enemy class who had no right to even exist. They wanted the kulaks eliminated. Likewise the Democrats (and their media friends) would love for the Tea Party to cease to exist. In their vision of a proper world there is no Tea Party. The attitude of conservatives towards government employees, on the other hand, is fundamentally different. Conservatives don't believe that there should be no government "class", just that it should play its proper role -- i.e. that the govt workforce should be smaller, with pay and benefits more in line with the private sector. Seeking reform and seeking annihilation are not the same thing.

44 posted on 08/25/2011 5:22:19 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
The attitude of conservatives towards government employees, on the other hand, is fundamentally different. Conservatives don't believe that there should be no government "class", just that it should play its proper role -- i.e. that the govt workforce should be smaller, with pay and benefits more in line with the private sector. Seeking reform and seeking annihilation are not the same thing.

I understand what you're saying, and the question of reform and adjustments to the public sector is certainly a fair one. If making sacrifices in my pay and benefits was needed for the well being of my fellow citizens then I would have to gladly bite the bullet. Sometimes I dwell on the rhetoric of the most extreme anti-government types and fail to realize that most conservatives, while having a healthy skepticism toward government, do not believe that the average civil servant is actively trying to harm his fellow Americans.

45 posted on 08/25/2011 5:53:45 AM PDT by Route797
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