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NJ Teacher Defends "Future Criminals" Comment
NBCNewYork.com ^ | 08/25/2011

Posted on 08/25/2011 5:56:46 AM PDT by Puppage

A New Jersey first grade teacher who wrote that she was a "warden for future criminals" on Facebook says she was speaking "out of frustration to their behavior."

Jennifer O'Brien defended herself Wednesday at an administration hearing that will determine whether the tenured Paterson teacher should lose her job.

O'Brien told an administrative law judge she wrote the post in exasperation because six or seven unruly first-graders kept disrupting her lessons. She said one boy had recently hit her.

The teacher posted her remark to 333 friends on March 28. However, it was forwarded and led critics to call her comment racist.

O'Brien's lawyer, Nancy Oxfeld, told The Record newspaper the post was a mistake but not racist.

A decision on whether she'll keep her job is expected in November.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: behavior; education; paterson; students; teachers; teens; urban

1 posted on 08/25/2011 5:56:49 AM PDT by Puppage
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To: Puppage
They can't handle the truth.
2 posted on 08/25/2011 6:00:28 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming, and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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To: Puppage

All of us are past, present and future criminals, just because there are so many laws on the books. So there’s nothing outrageous about these statements. Furthermore, it’s interesting to compare words and deeds. She’s getting in a lot of trouble for her words, but legislatures across the country, but especially in Washington DC are actually doing things that presume we are all future criminals. That’s ok, somehow, but her post was not.


3 posted on 08/25/2011 6:01:15 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Puppage
While I am sure she is correct about the little beasts, it should go without saying that posting such things on Facebook is not wise if you want to keep your job. This teacher, like the others in similar straits, lacks basic judgement.

Hell, this site is mostly anonymous, and there are things I won't say about....well, let me just stop there.

4 posted on 08/25/2011 6:01:29 AM PDT by Huck (I don't believe there is just one God--humanity seems like the work of a committee to me.)
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To: coloradan

Then again, maybe her classroom is just filled with thugs.


5 posted on 08/25/2011 6:01:57 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Puppage

I am willing to go on record saying Patterson is festering craphole. Great place to score some crack, though.


6 posted on 08/25/2011 6:03:25 AM PDT by Huck (I don't believe there is just one God--humanity seems like the work of a committee to me.)
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To: Puppage

I can’t find anything factually inaccurate with her statement. It has to be frustrating to preside over a classroom full of thug larvae with no desire to learn whatsoever.


7 posted on 08/25/2011 6:03:56 AM PDT by RockinRight (The ObamAA+ Downgrade)
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To: Puppage

The only way the comment could be deemed racist is if she made reference to the racial composition of her classroom. If she did, she’s got problems...in this PC world..if she didn’t..then those accusing her have an agenda...


8 posted on 08/25/2011 6:05:25 AM PDT by ken5050 (Should Christie RUN in 2012? NO!!! But he should WALK three miles every day!)
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To: coloradan

All true and an interesting argument. However, I think she was referring to the traditional sense, a bunch of future burglars, rapists, and drug dealers.


9 posted on 08/25/2011 6:06:32 AM PDT by RockinRight (The ObamAA+ Downgrade)
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To: Puppage

Speaking the truth is not good when you’re dealing with future (apparently black) criminals. She’s right. They aren’t going to get any better as they get older. I always thought that the worst kid in every grade should be made into soap at the end of the year.


10 posted on 08/25/2011 6:06:32 AM PDT by from occupied ga (your own government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: coloradan
First-grade thugs? Then again, if you've ever seen they way kids are "raised" in places like Patterson, it's not hard to believe. In every 'hood' I've ever seen (and I've seen quite a few) kids of all ages play in the streets passed midnight.

I've seen it in NJ--Irvington, Newark, East Orange. I've seen it in DC, Baltimore. It's actually quite bizarre for someone who's grown up in a normal, civilized area. It's an upside-down world they live in.

The culture is absolutely sick. What's sad is that there are a few nice, decent, churchgoing people mixed in here and there. Mostly from the older generation, before the 60s riots and all that. Seems chronic (no pun intended) at this point.

11 posted on 08/25/2011 6:07:49 AM PDT by Huck (I don't believe there is just one God--humanity seems like the work of a committee to me.)
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To: Puppage

My niece is a first grade teacher in a 99% black school. These stories are not unusual.


12 posted on 08/25/2011 6:08:42 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Huck

passed=past. I make some pretty dumb mistakes from time to time.


13 posted on 08/25/2011 6:09:04 AM PDT by Huck (I don't believe there is just one God--humanity seems like the work of a committee to me.)
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To: Huck

It’s PAterson with one “T”, but your comment is accurate. It is a craphole.

If it wasn’t the county seat of Passaic COunty, no one would go there.

Up the hill toward Haledon from downtown, there are abandoned STREETS, with a house here and there, looking like Dresden after WW2.

Paterson was the site of America’s first industrial manufacturing, hailed by Alexander Hamilton, becasue of water power from the Great Falls.

Paterson manufactured EVERYTHING until the 1960s.

An influx of minorities changed it forever.

Now it looks like the set of Mad Max movie.


14 posted on 08/25/2011 6:09:43 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: Huck
You're right - there are some things I would say to a close friend or family member ... But I would never put in writing, even here with it's relative anonymity.

She may have shown some poor judgement, but statistically, she is almost certainly correct. Some not insignificant number of her students will commit crimes - become criminals.

As others have pointed out, virtually all of us are criminals in our big-government socialist state. There are so many laws on the books I'm sure we're unknowingly violating some. I know I will probably drift a few mph above the speed limit on the way to work. I will be listening to music played from a device that, well, I'm sure the RIAA or some such would claim stretches the bounds of "fair use." etc. etc.

15 posted on 08/25/2011 6:10:19 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Puppage
Sounds dead on accurate to me. This teacher is probably a lot more perceptive and insightful than the other public school teachers.

The problem is she is not politically correct and actually tries to teach these kids. That is why she is frustrated. She should learn that public school "teaching" is nothing but a minimal level of baby sitting and parroting politically correct slogans. That is the way to get and keep tenure.

16 posted on 08/25/2011 6:14:23 AM PDT by detective
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To: exit82
If it wasn’t the county seat of Passaic COunty, no one would go there.

That's if it weren't-condition contrary to fact takes the subjunctive tense. :-) (there--we're even).

But haven't you heard? It's a New Economy. We don't have to manufacture things. We just borrow and consume. Try it--it's fun!

17 posted on 08/25/2011 6:16:50 AM PDT by Huck (I don't believe there is just one God--humanity seems like the work of a committee to me.)
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To: Puppage
A New Jersey first grade teacher who wrote that she was a "warden for future criminals leaders" on Facebook says she was speaking "out of frustration to their behavior."

There. Same meaning but with no harm, no foul.
18 posted on 08/25/2011 6:18:37 AM PDT by davius (You can roll manure in powdered sugar but that don't make it a jelly doughnut.)
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To: ThunderSleeps
I knowingly violate...well, again, let me stop there :-)

Certainly, she's not saying her students will one day use illicit lightbulbs or drive over the posted speed limit. I assume she's referring to more blatantly anti-social, atavistic behavior.

19 posted on 08/25/2011 6:18:51 AM PDT by Huck (I don't believe there is just one God--humanity seems like the work of a committee to me.)
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To: Puppage

I drove through Irvington once. Northern NJ. What a nightmare. Hard to believe it’s part of America.
Keeping (I won’t call it raising) a child in places like that is child abuse. Better to live in a gypsy wagon and have a goat pull you across the country.


20 posted on 08/25/2011 6:21:27 AM PDT by Lady Lucky
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To: Puppage
I was a teacher for a short time but I agree.

With the ignorance among teachers, the unions to protect only teachers pay and benefits, and lack of parental attention to what their childrean are really learning in school, I have no doubt we are raising a criminal class. "Dead Ted" Kennedy, ignorant Bush, and anti-American Obama have sealed the fate of the US.

21 posted on 08/25/2011 6:23:10 AM PDT by Rapscallion (The majority of democrats (50%+) pay no income taxes.)
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To: ken5050

Nobody would have known that the miserable little thugs were black if they didn’t claim racism. Now everybody knows.


22 posted on 08/25/2011 6:23:57 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Huck

Huck, you made me laugh! Yes, we are even—thanks!


23 posted on 08/25/2011 6:25:04 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: Puppage

Another school board needs an education in free speech and 1st amendment rights. She needs to talk with Jerry Buell, who will be back in his classroom today after the Lake County Fla. school board was forced to re-instate him this week.

On the other hand, firing will free her to find a job in a more promising school district, hopefully.


24 posted on 08/25/2011 6:26:50 AM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: exit82

:-) My mom hassled me constantly on grammar, but alas, even she couldn’t cure me of bad spelling!


25 posted on 08/25/2011 6:28:23 AM PDT by Huck (I don't believe there is just one God--humanity seems like the work of a committee to me.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

These days, there are things I will not say to anybody but my father - alone with him in a car, with the windows rolled up. Or I will share it with God in the privacy of my silent prayers. But I won’t say them where they can be heard by anyone else.

Posting on Facebook should ALWAYS be uncontroversial. I won’t link to job news or opinions, political items, guns, etc. Cute cat videos are okay. News on interesting science (like that anti-viral medicine breakthrough) are good.


26 posted on 08/25/2011 6:31:08 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: exit82

How does it compare to Camden? I always thought Camden was the absolute WORST city in NJ, if not the country...


27 posted on 08/25/2011 6:36:46 AM PDT by ken5050 (Should Christie RUN in 2012? NO!!! But he should WALK three miles every day!)
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To: Puppage

They say the truth will set you free, I guess it set this woman free from a job.


28 posted on 08/25/2011 6:44:47 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: ken5050

Hello,FRiend!

Camden was never as big, or as powerful as Paterson was.

Camden flourished in the shadow of Philadelphia, across the Delaware River.

Paterson was a manufacturing behemoth—in its day it had manufacturing, business, a thriving downtown with big stores, it had the courthouse(still does), it had beautiful residential areas, working areas, etc.

It has fallen farther than Camden only because of the loss of a greater glorry, in my opinion.

Up on Garret Mountain (folks out West would laugh at NJ calls a “mountain”) you can overlook Paterson in its glory.
It is just a shell of itself, and just a place to drive through—quickly—not stop at.

Paterson was the birthplace of Colt,Rogers locomotives, where Holland invented the modern sub, etc. An economic powerhouse in its day.

Corruption, white flight, welfare, and minorities have combined to create a modern Democrat accomplishment—a failed urban city dependent upon government largesses and almost unruleable.

Fifty years ago, you would say you were from Paterson with pride.

Now, you would never admit it.

I lived next door in Clifton and watched it all happen.

Remember Joe Clark, the baseball wielding tough love principal? Well that was Paterson—Eastside High School—over 20 years ago.

You’d need a SWAT team now to walk those halls.

The poor teacher in this article is seeing the youts at 5-6 years old. I can only imagine the degree these kids have been unsocialized to.

Hell, I wonder how she can even pronounce their names.


29 posted on 08/25/2011 6:52:38 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: Puppage

Someone should start a private school and hire all of these teachers that are frustrated because they want to teach in an environment where parenting is taken seriously.


30 posted on 08/25/2011 6:54:56 AM PDT by frogjerk (Today is already the tomorrow which the bad economist yesterday urged us to ignore. - HAZLITT)
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To: exit82
Hey, FRiend..thanks for the "update"..

Whta's BOTH sad and scary is that many of these kids, in 10 years or so, will be having kids of their own...and another generation is condemned to failure..and absolute poverty

31 posted on 08/25/2011 6:59:45 AM PDT by ken5050 (Should Christie RUN in 2012? NO!!! But he should WALK three miles every day!)
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To: Huck
My mom hassled me constantly on grammar

As did mine.

As much as I hated it growing up, I am most certainly happy that she did. Especially when I hear people speak in the business world, made up words & all.

32 posted on 08/25/2011 7:03:40 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: ilovesarah2012

My sister teaches in the DC - Baltimore area. She’s taught mainly middle schoolers in a wide variety of schools. Her combat stories are downright scary. She should have received several Purple Hearts from the union by now.


33 posted on 08/25/2011 7:29:02 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Puppage

yah me no wat ur r talkn bout.


34 posted on 08/25/2011 7:29:56 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ken5050

“The only way the comment could be deemed racist is if she made reference to the racial composition of her classroom.”

Perhaps statistics might show that the set, “criminals” and the set, “Blacks” overlap extensively enough in society today, especially parts of New Jersey, that the two sets can be legitimately equated, hence supporting this as a racial statement.


35 posted on 08/25/2011 7:33:32 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Yah? Wel, you don’t no no good inglish.


36 posted on 08/25/2011 7:37:33 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Puppage

She was SO wrong.
many of those first graders are CURRENT criminals.


37 posted on 08/25/2011 7:42:41 AM PDT by SparkyBass
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To: Puppage
Simply having a decent command of English is a big advantage in the competitive marketplace. I'm continually amazed at the limited vocabulary of the average person, and I am certain that my ability to write and communicate intelligently has earned me a lot of jobs, promotions, and money over the years.

Thanks mom, for drilling me with stuff like "you lay something down and it lies there."

38 posted on 08/25/2011 7:43:25 AM PDT by Huck (I don't believe there is just one God--humanity seems like the work of a committee to me.)
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To: ken5050

Patterson vs Camden. That’s a tough call, which tells you all you need to know. I’d guess Camden is worse, just because it’s basically an extension of the Philly sewer. But Camden, Patterson, Newark, and Elizabeth are all world-class crapholes. Trenton, too. Basically all our larger cities.


39 posted on 08/25/2011 7:47:35 AM PDT by Huck (I don't believe there is just one God--humanity seems like the work of a committee to me.)
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To: Puppage

The greatest heroism is at times just speaking the truth.

Hooray for Paterson New Jersey First Grade Teacher Jennifer O’Brien, hero!

I’ve subbed in urban NJ schools and know exactly what she is talking about. The school administration is likely unable to give her any sort of way besides magic to deal with a few very troubled kids, and yet two of them in any classroom is enough to ruin the educational experience — the classroom order and quiet needed to learn — for the whole class for a regular teacher.

The troubled kids are likely from broken homes, have emotionally immature or unstable single moms with floating boyfriends, and are abused.

To handle such kids you need to take them out of a regular classroom and put them in a much more ordered and strict class with two or three firm and extraordinarily mature and patient teachers and aides until the ferals learn adequate proper social deportment.


40 posted on 08/25/2011 7:50:01 AM PDT by bvw
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