Skip to comments.Private planes, private no more
Posted on 08/25/2011 1:04:07 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules
"Both general aviation and commercial aircraft use the public airspace and air traffic control facilities, and the public has a right to information about their activities." Oh, please. We all use public streets and sidewalks, which doesn't mean the police have a right to monitor our movements and let the world know where we go.
(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...
It seems the only pilots who might not file flight plans would be drug smugglers.
That can’t be right/s
Can you please just put your comments in the comment section instead of the actual article?
They want to know what we are doing every second of the day.
Ever wonder why they are so damned determined to let Mexican trucks into the nation? It’s so they can then order all trucking to submit to instantaneous tracking.
Why let people from terrorist nations in here? Because it helps with the claim that we have to look at women’s privates in airports.
It’s a rigged game. We lose.
The rest of the article if you don’t want to go to the leftist rag. I don’t know if it can be posted or not so here it is.
“Anyone who drives much in states with tollways has learned to love those transponders that let you whiz through without stopping to hand over your cash. It doesn’t bother most of us that the government could use the signals to track our travels. But how about if the government posted that information online for anyone with an Internet connection?
If that gives you the creeps, it should. A key element of privacy is keeping control of such personal information. But the federal government is showing a flagrant disregard for that trivial concern.
The Department of Transportation, which used to allow anyone with a private plane to choose not to have their flight plans made available for public consumption, has decided to eliminate that option. So if you want to snoop into someone else’s travel itinerary, you can do it.
To have their information kept out of public view, airplane owners have to provide “written certification of a valid security threat.” Otherwise, they’re out of luck. But why shouldn’t people be allowed privacy even when it’s not essential for their safety?
Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood has no good excuse for the change. “Both general aviation and commercial aircraft use the public airspace and air traffic control facilities, and the public has a right to information about their activities.” Oh, please. We all use public streets and sidewalks, which doesn’t mean the police have a right to monitor our movements and let the world know where we go.
General aviation groups aren’t happy, and who can blame them? “There can be no legitimate reason for a government agency to facilitate the monitoring of wholly private activity by anyone with an internet connection,” said Ed Bolen, head of the National Business Aviation Association.
But under LaHood’s policy, Big Brother will be watching. And so will anyone else who wants to.
Flight safety needs regulation of flight plans for obvious reasons. However, that being said, there is no legitimate reason at all for this information to be made public.
Which means that we should all expect an *illegitimate* reason, as of yet unspecified. That is, *who* would want this information for nefarious reasons? Think the usual suspects, such as political dirty tricks, labor unions, so that the MSM can follow and harass, or the good old fashioned reason that somebody can make money out of the deal that they couldn’t without government provided private information.
Oh, please! Don't give them any ideas! (Although I'm sure they're already hard at work developing plans for just such a thing!)
That is from the article. Go read it.
Obama wants insight into everything you do, but we cannot have insight into his college grades.
Fine. Then don’t edit the stupid article. Start it from the dam beginning.
By making this information public, it opens the information to all of the other branches of Big Brother. This is another Fascist end-around play on the privacy act laws. The more we get to know the mystery man Obama the more his "Change" grows big teeth.
It’s ok. The news papers use the public roads for delivery. We have the right to look inside their files and uncover everything they do.
Their right to say what they want will not be abriged, but all they do will be public knowledge
Which in this administration is likely to be one and the same.
I dunno... I own a BeechF33A Bonanza with a partner and I enjoy tracking his flights in our plane and vice versa. Flightaware.com is great!
Where did he insert his own comments in to the article?
Wrong. No flight plan is required in the US for almost all VFR flights.
It looks like SOMEONE has a little trouble qadmitting when they are wrong.
There is no rule that excerpts must start from the first sentence of a piece. Many people who post articles include excerpts from the ‘meat’ of an article or editorial.
Are you going to curse at ALL of them?
If you aren’t doing anything wrong you won’t mind being observed every second of the day. /sarc
Has Ray LaHoodlum ever used a public toilet? If so the public has a right to know the results of his last urinalysis, colonoscopy and whether he has any STD’s! After all those are public facilities. I’m sure he wouldn’t mind the loss of a little privacy for a little more safety.
This is actually in the works.
It’s the ultra-secret new apple and google joint venture, iSeeU.
Is not editing a article a comment in itself? Why edit the article at all. That’s no different than changing the headline to fit your point of view.
Did not know that - thanks for the info.
Do they have to check in with air traffic control when flying in certain flight paths and altitudes?
I’m leaving tonight with my family on a 200 nm cross country flight in our Cessna. No flight plan will be filed, nor will I have a need to communicate with ATC. Flight plans are obsolete and of limited value, especially when a SPOT cost $150...gas for a C-130 is more.
Be aware. The reason the government wants EVERYONE to file a flight plan is so they can TAX PRIVATE AIR TRAVEL BY THE MILE, as well as PRIVATE AUTO TRAVEL.
On the “we all use public streets” angle, there are already insurance companies who will give you a better rate if you let them install a tracker that looks at when / where / how you drive. How long until that becomes mandatory, and the Gov’t gets the data? Not very, if we continue down our current path, is my take.
See post #28 for the reason why they are doing this.
You nailed it. Can’t believe how many times I’ve seen that logic displayed here. It’s rather sad.
The reason is so the TAX MAN can have access to your MILES FLOWN. You don't think they are just planning to tax AUTOS by the mile, do you?
It’s not just the Big Brother problem. This effing idiot will let murderers, kidnappers and terrorists know just where their prey’s jet is at its most vulnerable points and when and where their prey will be accessing an airport.
There will be 500,000 members of AOPA fighting this...
You don’t need to be in contact with ATC unles you are in Class B or C airspace...which is at or above 18K (IIRC) feet (most piston single engine acft dont go there) or around major metro type airports. B requires clearance to enter, C requires 2-way communication.
All of the above is easily avoided.
I’ve flown from Oregon to Wisconsin 3 times without talking to ATC.
Actually, they don't want to observe you every second of the day, nor do they care where you go.
They only care HOW MANY MILES the trip was.
BECAUSE... it is going to be TAXABLE.
Don’t let facts get in the way with that...mmm-kay
Yes, sadly, you’re on to something with that comment.
All the more reason to make sure we put someone into office that will actually strike down all this crap starting day one.
Look at how many years we had the White House, the House, and the Senate, and how little we did with them.
A LOT more! lol
So what is the “legitimate” reason that my house is picutred on google earth and others. And why can I not stop it?
I don’t post articles very often and there are so many things you can’t post I thought I would just post an important quote. Man do you have to be such a posting snob? You did this wrong and that wrong, wah wah wah!!! Go read the darn article!
I flew a lot in the 70s and 80s, virtually all VFR. Never filed a flight plan except for when flying into Canada. In Canada you had to file a plan and they tracked you. Very paternalistic and unnecessary. Obama has encouraged LaHood’s inner Nazi to come out.
Bottom line, I don’t believe that Obama wants any kind of unregulated or untracked travel.
RUDE!!! Who peed in your Cheerios?
Isn’t Ray LaHood from Illinois - America’s North Korea?
How about the guy that’s going to break into your home?
By both your free will and choice.
Lay off LaHood, he’s got a wide stance and he’s simply stepping onto the wing.