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Private planes, private no more
Chicago Tribune ^ | 8-24-2011 | Steve Chapman

Posted on 08/25/2011 1:04:07 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules

"Both general aviation and commercial aircraft use the public airspace and air traffic control facilities, and the public has a right to information about their activities." Oh, please. We all use public streets and sidewalks, which doesn't mean the police have a right to monitor our movements and let the world know where we go.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: aircraft; airplanes; airtraffic; aviation; flying; generalaviation
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Their coming for the planes and I did nothing, they are coming for you next.
1 posted on 08/25/2011 1:04:17 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules
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To: US_MilitaryRules

Bump


2 posted on 08/25/2011 1:05:27 PM PDT by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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To: US_MilitaryRules

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3 posted on 08/25/2011 1:06:34 PM PDT by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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To: US_MilitaryRules

Flight plans???

It seems the only pilots who might not file flight plans would be drug smugglers.

That can’t be right/s


4 posted on 08/25/2011 1:09:37 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair: Man's surrender. Laughter: God's redemption.)
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To: US_MilitaryRules

Can you please just put your comments in the comment section instead of the actual article?


5 posted on 08/25/2011 1:11:06 PM PDT by Palter (Celebrate diversity .22, .223, .25, 9mm, .32 .357, 10mm, .44, .45, .500)
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To: US_MilitaryRules

planes...
trucking...
cars...
you...

They want to know what we are doing every second of the day.

Ever wonder why they are so damned determined to let Mexican trucks into the nation? It’s so they can then order all trucking to submit to instantaneous tracking.

Why let people from terrorist nations in here? Because it helps with the claim that we have to look at women’s privates in airports.

It’s a rigged game. We lose.


6 posted on 08/25/2011 1:11:13 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain 5 yrs Left/1 yr right "BAD!" - Republicans 3 yrs Right 1 year Left to elect RINOs. "Good?")
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To: US_MilitaryRules

The rest of the article if you don’t want to go to the leftist rag. I don’t know if it can be posted or not so here it is.

“Anyone who drives much in states with tollways has learned to love those transponders that let you whiz through without stopping to hand over your cash. It doesn’t bother most of us that the government could use the signals to track our travels. But how about if the government posted that information online for anyone with an Internet connection?

If that gives you the creeps, it should. A key element of privacy is keeping control of such personal information. But the federal government is showing a flagrant disregard for that trivial concern.

The Department of Transportation, which used to allow anyone with a private plane to choose not to have their flight plans made available for public consumption, has decided to eliminate that option. So if you want to snoop into someone else’s travel itinerary, you can do it.

To have their information kept out of public view, airplane owners have to provide “written certification of a valid security threat.” Otherwise, they’re out of luck. But why shouldn’t people be allowed privacy even when it’s not essential for their safety?

Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood has no good excuse for the change. “Both general aviation and commercial aircraft use the public airspace and air traffic control facilities, and the public has a right to information about their activities.” Oh, please. We all use public streets and sidewalks, which doesn’t mean the police have a right to monitor our movements and let the world know where we go.

General aviation groups aren’t happy, and who can blame them? “There can be no legitimate reason for a government agency to facilitate the monitoring of wholly private activity by anyone with an internet connection,” said Ed Bolen, head of the National Business Aviation Association.

But under LaHood’s policy, Big Brother will be watching. And so will anyone else who wants to.


7 posted on 08/25/2011 1:14:35 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Where is our military?)
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To: US_MilitaryRules

Flight safety needs regulation of flight plans for obvious reasons. However, that being said, there is no legitimate reason at all for this information to be made public.

Which means that we should all expect an *illegitimate* reason, as of yet unspecified. That is, *who* would want this information for nefarious reasons? Think the usual suspects, such as political dirty tricks, labor unions, so that the MSM can follow and harass, or the good old fashioned reason that somebody can make money out of the deal that they couldn’t without government provided private information.


8 posted on 08/25/2011 1:16:03 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: US_MilitaryRules
"Oh, please. We all use public streets and sidewalks, which doesn't mean the police have a right to monitor our movements and let the world know where we go."

Oh, please! Don't give them any ideas! (Although I'm sure they're already hard at work developing plans for just such a thing!)

CA....

9 posted on 08/25/2011 1:16:16 PM PDT by Chances Are (Seems I've found that silly grin again....)
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To: Palter

That is from the article. Go read it.


10 posted on 08/25/2011 1:16:16 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Where is our military?)
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To: US_MilitaryRules

Obama wants insight into everything you do, but we cannot have insight into his college grades.


11 posted on 08/25/2011 1:16:24 PM PDT by bergmeid
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To: US_MilitaryRules

Fine. Then don’t edit the stupid article. Start it from the dam beginning.


12 posted on 08/25/2011 1:17:53 PM PDT by Palter (Celebrate diversity .22, .223, .25, 9mm, .32 .357, 10mm, .44, .45, .500)
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To: US_MilitaryRules
The Department of Transportation, which used to allow anyone with a private plane to choose not to have their flight plans made available for public consumption, has decided to eliminate that option. So if you want to snoop into someone else's travel itinerary, you can do it

By making this information public, it opens the information to all of the other branches of Big Brother. This is another Fascist end-around play on the privacy act laws. The more we get to know the mystery man Obama the more his "Change" grows big teeth.

13 posted on 08/25/2011 1:18:43 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: US_MilitaryRules

It’s ok. The news papers use the public roads for delivery. We have the right to look inside their files and uncover everything they do.

Their right to say what they want will not be abriged, but all they do will be public knowledge


14 posted on 08/25/2011 1:21:16 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Rats carry plague)
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To: sodpoodle
It seems the only pilots who might not file flight plans would be drug smugglers.

Which in this administration is likely to be one and the same.

15 posted on 08/25/2011 1:21:29 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: US_MilitaryRules
Just as long as they stop taxing the average traveling people and giving it to hobby airports to support private plane owners. Re- Distribution from the bottom up is as wrong as welfare.
16 posted on 08/25/2011 1:23:26 PM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: US_MilitaryRules

I dunno... I own a BeechF33A Bonanza with a partner and I enjoy tracking his flights in our plane and vice versa. Flightaware.com is great!


17 posted on 08/25/2011 1:25:47 PM PDT by Poundstone (A recent Federal retiree and proud of it!)
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To: Palter

Where did he insert his own comments in to the article?


18 posted on 08/25/2011 1:26:41 PM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: sodpoodle

Wrong. No flight plan is required in the US for almost all VFR flights.


19 posted on 08/25/2011 1:27:25 PM PDT by Poundstone (A recent Federal retiree and proud of it!)
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To: Palter

It looks like SOMEONE has a little trouble qadmitting when they are wrong.

There is no rule that excerpts must start from the first sentence of a piece. Many people who post articles include excerpts from the ‘meat’ of an article or editorial.

Are you going to curse at ALL of them?


20 posted on 08/25/2011 1:29:27 PM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: DoughtyOne

If you aren’t doing anything wrong you won’t mind being observed every second of the day. /sarc


21 posted on 08/25/2011 1:30:05 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: WayneS
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22 posted on 08/25/2011 1:30:50 PM PDT by Palter (Celebrate diversity .22, .223, .25, 9mm, .32 .357, 10mm, .44, .45, .500)
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To: US_MilitaryRules

Has Ray LaHoodlum ever used a public toilet? If so the public has a right to know the results of his last urinalysis, colonoscopy and whether he has any STD’s! After all those are public facilities. I’m sure he wouldn’t mind the loss of a little privacy for a little more safety.


23 posted on 08/25/2011 1:31:49 PM PDT by rex regnum insanit (falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus)
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To: Chances Are

This is actually in the works.

It’s the ultra-secret new apple and google joint venture, iSeeU.


24 posted on 08/25/2011 1:31:51 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: WayneS

Is not editing a article a comment in itself? Why edit the article at all. That’s no different than changing the headline to fit your point of view.


25 posted on 08/25/2011 1:32:42 PM PDT by Palter (Celebrate diversity .22, .223, .25, 9mm, .32 .357, 10mm, .44, .45, .500)
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To: Poundstone

Did not know that - thanks for the info.

Do they have to check in with air traffic control when flying in certain flight paths and altitudes?


26 posted on 08/25/2011 1:32:51 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair: Man's surrender. Laughter: God's redemption.)
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To: Poundstone

I’m leaving tonight with my family on a 200 nm cross country flight in our Cessna. No flight plan will be filed, nor will I have a need to communicate with ATC. Flight plans are obsolete and of limited value, especially when a SPOT cost $150...gas for a C-130 is more.


27 posted on 08/25/2011 1:33:15 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Poundstone

Be aware. The reason the government wants EVERYONE to file a flight plan is so they can TAX PRIVATE AIR TRAVEL BY THE MILE, as well as PRIVATE AUTO TRAVEL.


28 posted on 08/25/2011 1:35:20 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: US_MilitaryRules

On the “we all use public streets” angle, there are already insurance companies who will give you a better rate if you let them install a tracker that looks at when / where / how you drive. How long until that becomes mandatory, and the Gov’t gets the data? Not very, if we continue down our current path, is my take.


29 posted on 08/25/2011 1:35:32 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: US_MilitaryRules

See post #28 for the reason why they are doing this.


30 posted on 08/25/2011 1:36:03 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Secret Agent Man

You nailed it. Can’t believe how many times I’ve seen that logic displayed here. It’s rather sad.


31 posted on 08/25/2011 1:38:13 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain 5 yrs Left/1 yr right "BAD!" - Republicans 3 yrs Right 1 year Left to elect RINOs. "Good?")
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
there is no legitimate reason at all for this information to be made public.

The reason is so the TAX MAN can have access to your MILES FLOWN. You don't think they are just planning to tax AUTOS by the mile, do you?

32 posted on 08/25/2011 1:39:06 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: US_MilitaryRules

It’s not just the Big Brother problem. This effing idiot will let murderers, kidnappers and terrorists know just where their prey’s jet is at its most vulnerable points and when and where their prey will be accessing an airport.


33 posted on 08/25/2011 1:40:01 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: US_MilitaryRules
IMO, it violates the equal protection clause of the 14th as well as the 4th.

There will be 500,000 members of AOPA fighting this...

34 posted on 08/25/2011 1:40:33 PM PDT by Errant
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To: sodpoodle

You don’t need to be in contact with ATC unles you are in Class B or C airspace...which is at or above 18K (IIRC) feet (most piston single engine acft dont go there) or around major metro type airports. B requires clearance to enter, C requires 2-way communication.

All of the above is easily avoided.

I’ve flown from Oregon to Wisconsin 3 times without talking to ATC.


35 posted on 08/25/2011 1:41:35 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Secret Agent Man; DoughtyOne
If you aren’t doing anything wrong you won’t mind being observed every second of the day.

Actually, they don't want to observe you every second of the day, nor do they care where you go.

They only care HOW MANY MILES the trip was.

BECAUSE... it is going to be TAXABLE.

36 posted on 08/25/2011 1:41:41 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: org.whodat

Don’t let facts get in the way with that...mmm-kay


37 posted on 08/25/2011 1:43:32 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: UCANSEE2; Secret Agent Man

Yes, sadly, you’re on to something with that comment.

All the more reason to make sure we put someone into office that will actually strike down all this crap starting day one.

Look at how many years we had the White House, the House, and the Senate, and how little we did with them.


38 posted on 08/25/2011 1:45:25 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain 5 yrs Left/1 yr right "BAD!" - Republicans 3 yrs Right 1 year Left to elect RINOs. "Good?")
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To: Dead Dog
when a SPOT cost $150...gas for a C-130 is more.

A LOT more! lol


39 posted on 08/25/2011 1:50:05 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Palter
If you had read the article, you would know it was not a "stupid" article. And a dam is a structure that holds back the water. Geeze, the poster did nothing wrong, he used a quote from the article as he was concerned about the copyright rules. What he did is perfectly acceptable here.
40 posted on 08/25/2011 1:53:18 PM PDT by CitizenM (Obama's legacy: - The architect of American Decline)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

So what is the “legitimate” reason that my house is picutred on google earth and others. And why can I not stop it?


41 posted on 08/25/2011 1:54:41 PM PDT by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Palter

I don’t post articles very often and there are so many things you can’t post I thought I would just post an important quote. Man do you have to be such a posting snob? You did this wrong and that wrong, wah wah wah!!! Go read the darn article!


42 posted on 08/25/2011 1:56:57 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Where is our military?)
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To: CitizenM

Thanks.


43 posted on 08/25/2011 2:02:33 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Where is our military?)
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To: WayneS

Thanks


44 posted on 08/25/2011 2:03:16 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Where is our military?)
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To: Poundstone

I flew a lot in the 70s and 80s, virtually all VFR. Never filed a flight plan except for when flying into Canada. In Canada you had to file a plan and they tracked you. Very paternalistic and unnecessary. Obama has encouraged LaHood’s inner Nazi to come out.

Bottom line, I don’t believe that Obama wants any kind of unregulated or untracked travel.


45 posted on 08/25/2011 2:25:08 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: Palter

RUDE!!! Who peed in your Cheerios?


46 posted on 08/25/2011 2:29:35 PM PDT by jarofants
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To: US_MilitaryRules

Isn’t Ray LaHood from Illinois - America’s North Korea?


47 posted on 08/25/2011 2:51:37 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: American in Israel

How about the guy that’s going to break into your home?


48 posted on 08/25/2011 2:52:54 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Poundstone

By both your free will and choice.


49 posted on 08/25/2011 2:54:35 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: rex regnum insanit

Lay off LaHood, he’s got a wide stance and he’s simply stepping onto the wing.


50 posted on 08/25/2011 2:56:08 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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