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Who Are the Real Gay Bigots and Bullies
Townhall.com ^ | August 26, 2011 | Frank Turek

Posted on 08/26/2011 1:36:24 PM PDT by Kaslin

George Orwell said, “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” When you tell the truth about homosexuality today, you can be sure that the central tools of deceit—name-calling and bullying—will be unleashed.

I recently was having a respectful conversation with a homosexual activist, but after I made a point he couldn’t answer he called me a “bigot.”

I asked, “What’s your definition of bigotry?”

He said, “Fear and intolerance.”

I said, “The definition of bigotry is not ‘fear and intolerance.’ It’s making a judgment without knowing the facts. I have written a book about the problems with same-sex marriage and the destructive medical consequences of homosexual behavior. So my convictions on those issues are based in fact not ‘bigotry.’ With all due respect, if anyone is engaged in bigotry it is you for judging my position as wrong without even knowing why I hold it.”

He was also falsely equating my opposition to a behavior as prejudice toward people who engage in that behavior. That’s the central fallacy in virtually every argument for homosexuality—if you don’t agree with homosexual behavior, you are somehow bigoted against people who want to engage in that behavior. How does that follow? If conservatives and Christians are “bigots” for opposing homosexual behavior, then why aren’t homosexual activists bigots for opposing Christian behavior? And if we are bigots for opposing same-sex marriage, then why aren’t homosexual activists bigots for opposing polygamous or incestuous marriage?

Everyone puts limits on marriage—if marriage had no definition it wouldn’t be anything. Recognizing that marriage is between a man and a woman is not bigotry, but common sense rooted in the biological facts of nature. That’s why the state recognizes marriage to begin with—not because two people love one another but because only heterosexual unions can procreate and best nurture the next generation.

Everyone also puts limits on behaviors. But opposing behavior is not the same as opposing or “hating” people. In fact, to really love people, we often have to oppose what they do! Parents know this, and all former children know it as well.

Celebrating behavior that leads to disease and an early death is closer to hate than love. According to the latest data from the Center for Disease Control, homosexual men comprise more than 80 percent of sexually transmitted HIV cases despite comprising less than 2 percent of the population. The FDA says that men who have sex with men have an HIV infection rate 60 times higher than the general population. Why should we be encouraging behavior that results in such tragic outcomes? If I have good reason to think you are on the road to destruction—if a truck is about to run over you—the only way to love you is to urge you to get out of the street. If I tell you to keep walking down that road—that I celebrate the road you’re on—how could I hate you more?

But isn’t homosexuality like race? No. Race has nothing to do with behavior, but homosexuality is a behavior! Skin color affects no one, but destructive behavior affects many. Moreover, sexual behavior is always a choice, race never is. You’ll find many former homosexuals, but you’ll never find a former African-American.

So if you don’t approve of a man because of his race, you are a bigot. But if you don’t approve of a man’s destructive behavior, you are wise.

The “born that way” argument doesn’t work either. Not only is the evidence for being “born that way” non-existent, even if it were true, it should have no impact on our marriage laws.

First, after many years of intense research, a genetic component to homosexual desires has not been discovered. Twin studies show that identical twins do not consistently have the same sexual orientation. In fact, genetics probably explains very little about homosexual desires. How would a homosexual “gene” be passed on? Homosexuals don’t pass on anything because homosexual unions don’t reproduce.

Second, while desires are not a choice, sexual behavior always is. So regardless of the source of sexual desires, people are certainly capable of controlling their sexual behavior. If you claim that they are not—that sexual behavior is somehow uncontrollable—then you have made the absurd contention that no one can be morally responsible for any sexual crime, including rape, incest, and pedophilia.

Third, the “born-that-way” claim is an argument from design— “since God designed me with these desires, I ought to act on them.” But the people who say this overlook something far more obvious and important— they were also born with a specific anatomy. We can’t know if our desires are inborn since we can’t remember anything from birth, but we are 100 percent certain that we were born with our anatomy. So why do homosexual activists choose to follow their desires rather than their anatomy? Ignoring your desires may be uncomfortable, but ignoring the natural design of your body is often fatal.

Fourth, being born a certain way is irrelevant to what the law should be. Laws are concerned with behaviors not desires, and we all have desires we ought not act on. In fact, all of us were born with an “orientation” to bad behavior, but those desires don’t justify the behaviors. If you are born with a genetic predisposition to alcohol, does that mean you should be an alcoholic? If you have a genetic attraction to children does that mean you should be a pedophile? What homosexual activist would say that a genetic predisposition to anger justifies gay-bashing? (Don’t blame me—I was born with the anti-gay gene!) Certainly, those that oppose alcoholism, pedophilia and gay bashing are not “bigots”—they are wise.

The bottom line is that the standard arguments for homosexuality and same-sex marriage don’t work. That’s why some homosexual activists will continue to smear conservatives as “bigots” in order to bully them out of the debate and even out of their jobs. In America today, it’s much easier to win with demagoguery than evidence. If you convince the majority that your opponents are “bigots,” then you automatically win even if you’re the bully actually practicing bigotry (read the bigotry and bullying by homosexual activists of conservative but suspended “Teacher of the Year,” Jerry Buell, here, and my own case here).

Will they get away with their bigotry and bullying? Not if Americans start thinking. Thinking people realize that equating homosexuality with race, though presently fashionable, is just as fallacious as calling marriage based in biology a form of bigotry. As G. K. Chesterton pointed out, “Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: bigotry; frankturek; homonaziagenda; homonazism; homosexualagenda; turek

1 posted on 08/26/2011 1:36:25 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Good read.


2 posted on 08/26/2011 1:46:16 PM PDT by Sister_T ("Calling ILLEGAL aliens "immigrants" is like calling shoplifters 'customers'!"-UCFRoadWarrior ><>)
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To: Kaslin

well thought out presentation! i will come back to study its points more.


3 posted on 08/26/2011 1:51:18 PM PDT by ThirstyMan
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To: Kaslin

Bump


4 posted on 08/26/2011 1:54:50 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Kaslin

bump


5 posted on 08/26/2011 1:58:40 PM PDT by getitright (If you call this HOPE, can we give despair a shot?)
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To: Kaslin
Well done.

...then you have made the absurd contention that no one can be morally responsible for any sexual crime, including rape, incest, and pedophilia.

Some psychiatrists have been working hard in the background to normalize pedophilia.

"If a small group of psychiatrists and other mental health professionals have their way at a conference this week, pedophiles themselves could play a role in removing pedophilia from the American Psychiatric Association’s bible of mental illnesses — the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), set to undergo a significant revision by 2013. Critics warn that their success could lead to the decriminalization of pedophilia."

6 posted on 08/26/2011 1:58:55 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Kaslin
“The definition of bigotry is not ‘fear and intolerance.’ It’s making a judgment without knowing the facts.

Actually, the definition is generally given as something like :"One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ."

That's a lot closer to the gay guy's definition than to that of the author.

7 posted on 08/26/2011 2:05:01 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Kaslin; Liz; sickoflibs

Great read - one more example grown-ups are taking back the culture.


8 posted on 08/26/2011 2:09:23 PM PDT by GOPJ (126 people were indicted for being terrorists in the last two years. Every one of them was Muslim.)
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To: Kaslin

Well said.


9 posted on 08/26/2011 2:11:14 PM PDT by Mr. Blond
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To: Sherman Logan

That definition is wrong: a product of modern revisionism.

Bigot means ‘a narrow-minded, prejudiced person’. It is therefore redolent of prejudice: which means judging ‘before’ the facts.


10 posted on 08/26/2011 2:12:03 PM PDT by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: Sherman Logan
Actually, you are defining “chauvinism.”
11 posted on 08/26/2011 2:14:04 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: Kaslin
Celebrating behavior that leads to disease and an early death is closer to hate than love. According to the latest data from the Center for Disease Control, homosexual men comprise more than 80 percent of sexually transmitted HIV cases despite comprising less than 2 percent of the population. The FDA says that men who have sex with men have an HIV infection rate 60 times higher than the general population. Why should we be encouraging behavior that results in such tragic outcomes?

The equivalent (to help liberals understand):

It would be as if conservatives celebrated children eating Burger King mega meals at school cafeterias and cheered children who weighed more than 180 pounds on to gain more... Or had parades for grossly overweight children - cheering the sickest among them - while calling liberals 'bigots' if they pointed out these habits might not be healthy...

12 posted on 08/26/2011 2:19:39 PM PDT by GOPJ (126 people were indicted for being terrorists in the last two years. Every one of them was Muslim.)
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To: Kaslin

Bump


13 posted on 08/26/2011 2:30:36 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Kaslin; Sister_T; ThirstyMan; Incorrigible; getitright; Right Wing Assault; Sherman Logan; GOPJ; ...

What could derail the gay triumphal procession is an honest national discussion of the real cause of homosexuality.

Homosexuality reproduces by molestation. Nothing genetic about it at all. Any gay or lesbian who’s being honest will admit that they were violated when they were children.

Bring THAT fact out of the “closet” and you blow up the central premise of the gay normalization campaign, i.e. that some people are just “born that way” so they and their proclivities should be accepted and celebrated. And if they’re not part of nature’s plan, then politically and philosophically we are not obligated to indulge them.

This also goes a long way towards explaining the inconvenient truth that so many gays are such messed up people; bubbling over with rage at society, sexual compulsives, affinity for young boys, etc. I wish I could find the study that caused so much shouting recently. The one about the shockingly short average lifespan of gays, when you factor in the suicides, deaths by partner violence, drugs, booze and of course, disease.


14 posted on 08/26/2011 2:31:52 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: Kaslin

Child sexual abuse is the issue of the century. We are living in sick times.


15 posted on 08/26/2011 2:40:21 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: sinanju

“Any gay or lesbian who’s being honest will admit that they were violated when they were children.”

yep. true.


16 posted on 08/26/2011 2:41:25 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Kaslin

Excellent article, and excellent resource.


17 posted on 08/26/2011 2:46:36 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: yldstrk

The molestation origin argument is the perfect political instrument here. If conservatives can loudly and repeatedly make the argument that gayness is spread vampire fashion (rather than smugly quoting scripture or invoking anatomy, etc.) it knocks the props out of their whole movement.

If people look at a lavender mobber and imagine him being molested as a kid (or renting a homeless teen runaway for the evening) they may feel sorry for him but they will not feel obligated to him. They will certainly not feel inclined to join his parade.


18 posted on 08/26/2011 2:53:45 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: Kaslin

It’s not normal for a member of any species to behave in such a manner that would result in the extinction of the species if a large portion of the species behaved in that manner.


19 posted on 08/26/2011 3:13:09 PM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: sinanju

Thanks.


20 posted on 08/26/2011 7:57:55 PM PDT by GOPJ (126 people were indicted for being terrorists in the last two years. Every one of them was Muslim.)
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To: GOPJ; Kaslin; Liz; Impy

I will never warm up to idea.

Creating another legally protected victim class based on a specific (different) sexual desire (’orientation’ in PC terms) as a covert way of protecting the homosexual behaviour is what loses me. They cant even define ‘orientation’ in the civil rights/hate crimes laws they pass.

One thing about Aids in the 1980s and 1990s, it made clear to everyone their self destructive nature, then they blamed Reagan for their own terrible decisions.


21 posted on 08/26/2011 9:10:34 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama :"We all were undocumented workers once")
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To: sickoflibs
My reply #12

Celebrating behavior that leads to disease and an early death is closer to hate than love. According to the latest data from the Center for Disease Control, homosexual men comprise more than 80 percent of sexually transmitted HIV cases despite comprising less than 2 percent of the population. The FDA says that men who have sex with men have an HIV infection rate 60 times higher than the general population. Why should we be encouraging behavior that results in such tragic outcomes?

The equivalent (to help liberals understand):

It would be as if conservatives celebrated children eating Burger King mega meals at school cafeterias and cheered children who weighed more than 180 pounds on to gain more... Or had parades for grossly overweight children - cheering the sickest among them - while calling liberals 'bigots' if they pointed out these habits might not be healthy...

22 posted on 08/27/2011 8:17:24 AM PDT by GOPJ (126 people were indicted for being terrorists in the last two years. Every one of them was Muslim.)
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