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Why Are We Surprised With the Push for 'Pedophile Rights'
Townhall.com ^ | August 26, 2011 | Michael Brown

Posted on 08/26/2011 3:31:28 PM PDT by Kaslin

Many Americans have been shocked by reports about a recent pro-pedophilia conference in Baltimore in which psychiatrists and other mental health professionals, representing institutions like Harvard and Johns Hopkins, sought to present pedophilia in a sympathetic and even positive light. But why should this surprise us?

Academic articles in scholarly journals have been presenting pedophilia in a sympathetic light for years, and, as Matthew Cullinan Hoffman noted, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) released a report in 1998 “claiming that the ‘negative potential’ of adult sex with children was ‘overstated’ and that ‘the vast majority of both men and women reported no negative sexual effects from their child sexual abuse experiences.’ It even claimed that large numbers of the victims reported that their experiences were ‘positive,’ and suggested that the phrase ‘child sex abuse’ be replaced with ‘adult-child sex.’” Others have coined the more disgusting term “intergenerational intimacy.”

The APA’s report was so disturbing that it drew an official rebuke from Congress, yet the pro-pedophile (or, pro-pederast) push continues. In fact, some psychiatric leaders, like Dr. Richard Green, who were instrumental in removing homosexuality from the APA’s list of mental disorders in 1973, have been fighting to remove pedophilia as well.

Consider, for example, this statement from the late John Hopkins professor John Money: “Pedophilia and ephebophilia [referring to sexual attraction felt by an adult toward an adolescent] are no more a matter of voluntary choice than are left-handedness or color blindness. There is no known method of treatment by which they may be effectively and permanently altered, suppressed, or replaced. Punishment is useless. There is no satisfactory hypothesis, evolutionary or otherwise, as to why they exist in nature’s overall scheme of things. One must simply accept the fact that they do exist, and then, with optimum enlightenment, formulate a policy of what to do about it.”

Now, go back and reread that paragraph, substituting the word “homosexuality” for “pedophilia” and “ephebophilia.” How interesting!

To help flesh this out, let’s picture a homosexual man making his case to a heterosexual man:

1) My homosexuality is not a sexual preference but a sexual orientation, just as much as your heterosexuality is not a sexual preference but a sexual orientation.
2) My homosexuality is just as normal as your heterosexuality.
3) Since my behavior is genetically determined and is not a choice, it is intolerant and hateful to suggest that it is wrong. And to call my sexual behavior illegal or immoral, or to refuse to legitimize same-sex relationships, is to be a moral bigot of the highest order.
4) I deeply resent your attempts to identify areas of my upbringing and environment as alleged causes for my homosexuality.
5) I categorically reject the myth that someone can change his or her sexual orientation. Rather, such statements only add to the anguish and suffering of gays and lesbians, and attempts to change us often lead to catastrophic consequences, including depression and suicide.

Now, let’s turn this around and have a pederast making his case to a homosexual, substituting the words accordingly (thus, “My pederasty is not a sexual preference but a sexual orientation, just as much as your homosexuality is not a sexual preference but a sexual orientation.”)

In point of fact, all the principle arguments commonly used to normalize homosexuality have been used to normalize pedophilia and pederasty, as I documented in painstaking (and painful) detail in A Queer Thing Happened to America, where I also made clear that I was not equating homosexuality with pedophilia but was instead comparing the arguments used to normalize both.

Here are the eight principle arguments, all of which (in modified form) are commonly used in support of homosexuality:

1) Pedophilia is innate and immutable.
2) Pederasty is richly attested in many different cultures throughout history.
3) The claim that adult-child sexual relationships cause harm is greatly overstated and often completely inaccurate.
4) Consensual adult-child sex can actually be beneficial to the child.
5) Pederasty should not be classified as a mental disorder, since it does not cause distress to the pederast to have these desires and since the pederast can function as a normal, contributing member of society.
6) Many of the illustrious homosexuals of the past were actually pedophiles.
7) People are against intergenerational intimacy because of antiquated social standards and puritanical sexual phobias.

8) This is all about love and equality and liberation.

But none of these arguments should surprise us. After all, the age of increasing sexual anarchy in which we live is a fruit of the sexual revolution of the 1960’s, and the seeds of sexual anarchy were sown already by Alfred Kinsey in the late 1940’s, as Prof. Judith Reisman has tirelessly documented. And it was Kinsey, after all, who relied on the research of pedophiles to document the sexual responses of infants and children.

All this, to be sure, is utterly unspeakable. But it should certainly come as no surprise. In fact, we should expect this and more.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: apa; gayrights; homosexualagenda; libturds; michaelbrown; nambla; pedonaziagenda; pedophilerights; pedophiles; pedorights

1 posted on 08/26/2011 3:31:31 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

As Rep. Lewis said: “they coming for the children”

He just had the “they” wrong. They be his own party.


2 posted on 08/26/2011 3:36:21 PM PDT by Loud Mime (Democrats: debt, dependence and derision)
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To: Kaslin

I’m not surprised. This is not your grandfather’s Democrat party.


3 posted on 08/26/2011 3:38:50 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: Kaslin

Terribly sad. Our whole nation owes an apology to Anita Bryant.


4 posted on 08/26/2011 3:39:40 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Kaslin

I can’t wait until they happen!


5 posted on 08/26/2011 3:41:25 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I Stand With Sarah!)
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To: Kaslin

“....in their wisdom, they became as fools.”


6 posted on 08/26/2011 3:48:26 PM PDT by lgjhn23
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To: Kaslin
Some of us are not at all surprised, but have in fact been predicting it for decades.

Pedophilia is the caboose on the gay agenda train. Not really even that hard to predict.

7 posted on 08/26/2011 4:02:33 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Kaslin

I’m not shocked. Any country that would bend over backwards to give faggots, ragheads and messycan crimigrants a big sloppy kiss is capable of anything.


9 posted on 08/26/2011 4:10:13 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: Kaslin

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The Communist Takeover Of
America - 45 Declared Goals

http://www.rense.com/general32/americ.htm

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a “religious crutch.”

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”

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10 posted on 08/26/2011 4:10:44 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Kaslin

A standard leftist debating tactic is to use a word or phrase to mean one thing, assert things that are true of that meaning, redefine the word, and then assert that those same things are applicable to the new definition. For example, the term “gay” might be used to refer to a man who feels a stronger sexual attraction toward another man than to a woman. Leftists might then reasonably argue that it’s not right to discriminate against people on the basis of feelings which they are biologically predisposed to have. Indeed, they would be correct in that. After having made such an assertion, however, leftists would then redefine “gay” to refer to people who engage in open sodomy on park benches, and use the fact that it’s not proper to discriminate against “gay” people (by the former definition) it’s not proper to discriminate against “gay” people (by the latter).


11 posted on 08/26/2011 4:13:21 PM PDT by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: Kaslin

Forced acceptance of pedophiles in the military will be the next step.


12 posted on 08/26/2011 4:16:01 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Free Republic- Still AAA++ rated)
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To: Edsel 1960
Consent is the fallacy of their argument.

Legally, a minor child cannot consent to sexual intercourse, either with an adult or another minor (regardless of gender). That's why sex with a minor is considered RAPE and will get you put in prison.

Is that the next step in the Pederast's campaign - to lower the age of consent so that anyone out of diapers can legally have sex? Maybe Whoopie will come up with a hairsplitting legal way to differentiate between "RAPE" and "RAPE RAPE"?

So if minors have the maturity to have sex, then how come they can't drive? Or drink alcohol? Or vote?

13 posted on 08/26/2011 4:27:57 PM PDT by ZOOKER ( Exploring the fine line between cynicism and outright depression)
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To: Kaslin

Prepare yourself for the “discovery” of a “pedophile gene”
and a chorus of pervs chanting that they were “born that way.”


14 posted on 08/26/2011 4:30:46 PM PDT by Kenny500c
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To: Kaslin

We had to figure this and other things like this would be coming. Once the barn door was opened......

People will be allowed to marry and have sex with ashtrays in public before long, but it will be a crime to use them for their original intent.

While Rome burns......


15 posted on 08/26/2011 4:33:37 PM PDT by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: Kaslin

(Sigh) A revelation that I STILL don’t have enough ammunition.


16 posted on 08/26/2011 4:43:27 PM PDT by Molon Labbie
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To: Kaslin

That’s not the end of the moral road.

We still have room for human sacrifice.


17 posted on 08/26/2011 4:46:50 PM PDT by lurk
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To: Kaslin

the right to death, to destruction of good growth and words, the right to euthanasia, abortion, homosexuality... and now wanting to commit suicide is not going to be considered a mental disease... watch em.


18 posted on 08/26/2011 4:50:31 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Kaslin

the right to death, to destruction of good growth and words, the right to euthanasia, abortion, homosexuality... and now wanting to commit suicide is not going to be considered a mental disease... watch em.

....

And it is so convenient to demoralize and destroy a country economicaly, and then make suicide not a mentaly treatable disease... Liberals want us to feel a pain, like the devil, so we can worship the power of the pain inflictor, when we can feel much more pain voluntarily for loved ones... so, whatever.


19 posted on 08/26/2011 4:55:05 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: ZOOKER

Indeed, just like sex with a cop in uniform, so to speak, is not consensual because of the obvious power and intimidation coming with the jacket. This is an extention of government giving itself the right to rape people, calling it consensual, when there obviously no force, maturity or experience equality, but only exploitation in the end.

“I am a woman and not a little girl asking for dad for money”, is the common “liberation” mantra now brought to minors who are handled by pimps.


20 posted on 08/26/2011 4:58:23 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Kaslin

This has been going on for a long time.

You can trace this back to Kinsey, who was enormously influential among progressives back in the 40s and 50s, and was even a great favorite of Paul Tillich and other academic theologians.


21 posted on 08/26/2011 4:59:33 PM PDT by livius
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To: Kaslin

This is what happens when a society embraces moral relativism. When there are no agreed upon moral absolutes and boundaries, then there are no real barriers to any type of behavior. Depravity can no longer be defined. Good and evil have no meaning - it is simply a matter of personal choice and taste (like ice cream).

This is what is happening (or rather, “has happened”) with the same sex marriage argument. If marriage is in the eye of the beholder, then it can be defined in any way one desires. If same-sex marriage is “ok”, then what possible argument can one make against polygamy or man/boy marriage?

People will say that pedophillia or bestiallity cannot be allowed because the young or animals cannot “choose” to participate and are therefore forced victims. It is not a very large step to make to crossover these qualms about pedophillia when you have doctors and phyciatric associations all making “scientific” decisions about these types of behaviors being “normal”. Then you get lawyers and “progressive” judges agreeing that these behaviors should be legally protected.

Only Heaven-sent spiritual revival can save our nation. Only God’s mercy keeps us from being destroyed. Pretty soon God will have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah if He doesn’t do something about the once great nation of the United States of America (then again, maybe His judgement has already begun). I pray it’s not too late.


22 posted on 08/26/2011 5:06:56 PM PDT by Nevadan
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To: shalom aleichem

we told em about suicide, homos and pedophiles now not considered a mental disease... this is the kool aid moment we kept talking about, and Zero is all behind it.


23 posted on 08/26/2011 5:07:43 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Nevadan
This is what happens when a society embraces moral relativism. When there are no agreed upon moral absolutes and boundaries, then there are no real barriers to any type of behavior. Depravity can no longer be defined. Good and evil have no meaning - it is simply a matter of personal choice and taste (like ice cream).

"Do What Thou Wilt" shall be the whole of the law.

24 posted on 08/26/2011 5:08:38 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: livius

Dr Judith Reisman has been writing and speaking about this for many, many years. I recall her holding up a magazine pubished by university elites that supported adult/child relationships as being normal. That was back in the 80’s. Prophetic? You bet.. Read her books. Have her speak. POWERFUL ..


25 posted on 08/26/2011 5:17:01 PM PDT by codder too
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To: Kaslin
I have a great solution for the "disease" called pedophilia.

Shoot. Shovel. Shut up. Don't forget the shut up part.

26 posted on 08/26/2011 5:32:47 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (I am not lead by any politician. I am my own leader.)
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To: Kaslin

Once the liberals succeed in legalizing gay “marriage” (and virtually criminalizing opposition to it), the only question is whether their next push will be for legalizing polygamy, legalizing sex with minors, or legalizing some other kind of perversion.

Polygamy seems to have the inside track on normalization with TV shows like “Big Love” and “Sister Wives.” But on the other hand, there are lots of hot teenage girls and boys the perverts are dying to get a shot at.

In any case, almost all of the arguments made in favor of same-sex “marriage” could be made in favor of “plural marriage” or “intergenerational sex” so the libs won’t have to memorize a new set of talking points.

And of course the liberals will assure us that all of it will be completely consenual.


27 posted on 08/26/2011 5:34:20 PM PDT by feralcat
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To: ZOOKER

You are quite right of course, but that is no serious obstacle. I’m sure the “progressives” can chip away at those definitions with as much success as they did with the homosexuality argument. It just takes time. A steady drip drip drip of argument, accusation, “redefinition” of terms and laws...given enough time and effort they could eventually legislate that black is white, white is black and purple is bright yellow with pink spots.


28 posted on 08/26/2011 5:48:08 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Kaslin

From what I understand, the APA completely distanced itself from this conference. I’m not defending the APA, I’m just saying that they were not a participant in this particular deviancy.


29 posted on 08/26/2011 5:52:39 PM PDT by workerbee (We're not scared, Maobama -- we're pissed off!)
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To: supercat
The word you're looking for is "equivocation."
30 posted on 08/26/2011 5:56:55 PM PDT by danielmryan
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To: feralcat
In any case, almost all of the arguments made in favor of same-sex “marriage” could be made in favor of “plural marriage” or “intergenerational sex” so the libs won’t have to memorize a new set of talking points.

And it wont stop there. After this fight the next move will be legalisation and "normalisation" of incest, then bestiality, then necrophilia. In fifty years time it might theoretically be legally possible to marry your wallpaper ( I say theoretically because in practice less morally bankrupt cultures will have made the legal niceties of the US largely irrelevant).

31 posted on 08/26/2011 5:58:17 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Got a kid to donate? Algorejr won’t mind. All the queers in Hollywood won’t mind. The U.S. military won’t mind now.


32 posted on 08/26/2011 5:59:22 PM PDT by Waco (Nominate Palin or forget 2012 you lost)
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To: Kaslin
Of course, the same argument (with appropriate substitution of terms) could also be made for necrophilia and bestiality. The dead and dumb animals cannot offer testimony that their sexual “experiences” were not pleasurable or caused them long term harm.

If memory serves correctly, some time back the annual APA convention did, in fact, have a paper presented on the “normalization” of bestiality.

I was helped by talking with a psychiatrist when I went through a rough divorce in the mid-1970s. However, given the degraded state the profession has fallen to, there is no way I would ever submit to or cooperate with being assessed, measured, or counseled by one of the profession today.

33 posted on 08/26/2011 6:02:24 PM PDT by Captain Rhino (“Si vis pacem, para bellum” - If you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: workerbee

“From what I understand, the APA completely distanced itself from this conference. I’m not defending the APA, I’m just saying that they were not a participant in this particular deviancy.”

I’m sure the APA initially distanced itself from efforts to have homosexuality no longer classified as a mental illness. The pedophiles and their enablers have learned the lesson from this precedent and are proceeding accordingly.


34 posted on 08/26/2011 6:07:02 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: lurk

Human sacrifice *and* cannibalism.


35 posted on 08/26/2011 7:01:31 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: dfwgator

re: “Do What Thou Wilt” shall be the whole of the law.

You got that right. Totally agree.


36 posted on 08/26/2011 7:35:08 PM PDT by Nevadan
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To: Nevadan

Good. I wilt shoot pedophiles. :)


37 posted on 08/26/2011 8:09:47 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Kaslin

Placemark.


38 posted on 08/26/2011 8:48:53 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Edsel 1960

Diddo that and probably about 50 million others too. This will cut across all demographics and party leanings. I do not think they understand the Henry Bowman sized can of whoopass they are opening here.


40 posted on 08/26/2011 9:16:54 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Obama/Biden '12: No hope and chump change.)
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To: Kaslin
There is no surprise. This was predicted, in fact (critters next). Once you open the floodgates of perversion, don't be surprised at what swims out.

Kinsey was sick, and it has just gotten sicker.

41 posted on 08/26/2011 9:55:40 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: ReformationFan

Indeed.


42 posted on 08/27/2011 2:48:23 AM PDT by Ronin (Obamanation has replaced Bizarroworld as the most twisted place in the universe.)
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To: Nevadan

If this stuff continues, won’t parents take their children out of school in droves, stock up on guns and generally take to the streets? I can’t see parents putting up with this at all. People are crazy but not that crazy.

I live on the edge of an inner-city in NJ and when a gay man became the head of the local school board, the African-Americans went nuts. The creep had posted sado-masochistic photos of himself on the internet! Let me put it this way, Blacks are not very politically correct when threatened by the gay agenda. The guy did not last all that long.


43 posted on 08/27/2011 4:57:13 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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To: workerbee

Did they pitch out any APA members that attended it?
No?
Then they can still catch the splatter.


44 posted on 08/27/2011 5:14:37 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: little jeremiah; lurk; JudgemAll
Human sacrifice *and* cannibalism.

Well, actually everything that is evil and perverted, right? Because we are not dealing with a positive proposition (like love, or God, or grace, or beauty), but with a negative one that seeks to confute or negate a positive one. Hence, all ugliness and perversion must come in, and all normality and normal responses to perversion, must go out.

Like Judgemall's partial list at post 18 above.

45 posted on 08/27/2011 5:28:27 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Kinsey was sick, and it has just gotten sicker.

Reisman has been trying to tell us that Kinsey was beyond sick, he was a master archcriminal of the blackest evil. Remember what were the harshest words in the New Testament -- they were Jesus's teaching concerning people who do evil to children, remember? That's where Kinsey lived.

46 posted on 08/27/2011 5:32:06 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Kaslin
In fact, some psychiatric leaders, like Dr. Richard Green, who were instrumental in removing homosexuality from the APA’s list of mental disorders in 1973, have been fighting to remove pedophilia as well.

This guy and John Money go to the head of the perversion list -- Public Enemies No. 1 and No. 2. (Well, perhaps Obama deserves that distinction ex officio, and for his appointment of Kevin Jennings.)

47 posted on 08/27/2011 5:35:31 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: danielmryan
The word you're looking for is "equivocation."

Thanks. I recognized the consistent leftist tactic, but hadn't realized that there was a single word which sums it up so perfectly. It's hardly a new tactic--the Pharisees attempted to use it to trip up Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. What's distressing is the equivocal language has infected many people's thought processes, to such an extent that a rational examination of the truth would cause an unbearable level of cognitive dissonance. They know that A is B, and B' is C, and from this conclude that A is C; when confronted with evidence that A is not C, they are unable to separate the B that equals A, from the B' that equals C.

48 posted on 08/27/2011 10:58:28 AM PDT by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: GrouchoTex

People can do all sorts of things already. Legal recognition is a little different. I can already see the government working to strike down anti-cohabitation laws, if they still exist as they do in some places, which essentially de-criminalizes polygamy, and allows it to go unprosecuted. But then again, who isn’t so distasteful already about a government who regards sexual behaviors as being equal with the color of one’s skin?


49 posted on 08/28/2011 7:28:17 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: Kaslin

Premise number 4 is where the argument for pedophilia diverges from that for homosexuality. Sex with children is by definition nonconsensual because children cannot give consent. Homosexuality, on the other hand, is, for the most part, between consenting adults.

I have never agreed with the term “pedophile” meaning “one who loves children”. If they really loved children, they would realize how harmful their sexual practices are to children and leave the kids alone. Call it what it is: child rape.


50 posted on 08/29/2011 3:41:27 PM PDT by SoCal SoCon (Yesterday Argentina, Today Greece, Tomorrow America)
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