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Could 2012 be less like Carter/Reagan and more like LBJ/Nixon?
BigGovernment.com ^ | AWR Hawkins

Posted on 08/26/2011 3:48:05 PM PDT by Bob Mc D

Much has been made of the Jimmy Carter-like malaise that Barack Obama has placed this country in. With good reason, comparisons are being made of the fact that they’re both weak and that neither demonstrates a working knowledge of the military or how foreign policy and energy solutions should be pursued. (Concerning the latter, Carter gave us Gasohol and Obama has given us the Chevy Volt.)

Thus, we’ve been inundated with comparisons to the 1980 presidential elections and predictions of how the right GOP candidate, say Gov. Palin or Gov. Perry, will ring up Obama in November 2012 the way Ronald Reagan rung up Carter some 31 years ago.

But when I recently visited with guest hosts Cameron Gray and John Popp on the NRA’s “Cam & Company,” and we discussed the mobs that betray a seething rage just below the surface in many parts of America, it dawned on me that the comparison to 1980 may not be apropos. Instead, what may be needed is to turn back the clock a bit further to when the counter-culture was in full swing and another Democrat who knew nothing about the presidency was making a fool of himself.

The year was 1968, and the president was Lyndon Baines Johnson (LBJ).

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: carter; nixon; obama; reagan

1 posted on 08/26/2011 3:48:10 PM PDT by Bob Mc D
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To: Bob Mc D

Or nominate Romney and get Dewey vs. Truman.


2 posted on 08/26/2011 3:52:19 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Bob Mc D

Um, LBJ/Nixon never occurred.


3 posted on 08/26/2011 3:54:09 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Duval Patrick is a coward. Explain yourself on The O'Reilly Factor, you creep!)
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To: Bob Mc D

LBJ/Nixon ??

You mean the corrupt socialist won’t run for reelection, and we will be stuck with a feckless RINO ?


4 posted on 08/26/2011 3:58:21 PM PDT by fnord (Republicans are just the right-wing of the left-wing of American politics)
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To: Bob Mc D

The dead will rise up and vote straight democrat as usual. Will the state’s local integrity finally do the right thing(their job)?


5 posted on 08/26/2011 3:58:25 PM PDT by allmost
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

Yup, it was nixon v humphrey and nixon did not clean humphrey’s clock, the election was fairly close. Nixon cleaned McGovern’s clock in 72.


6 posted on 08/26/2011 3:59:55 PM PDT by HerrBlucher ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." G.K. Chesterton)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel
Um, LBJ/Nixon never occurred.

Because LBJ bowed out.

But Ubama doesn't have that much dignity.

7 posted on 08/26/2011 4:03:15 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming, and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel
Um, LBJ/Nixon never occurred.
I can't actually tell if the author of the article is aware of this at all.
8 posted on 08/26/2011 4:04:24 PM PDT by skintight buffoonery
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To: Bob Mc D

I’ve been saying this recently (but not online where I could prove it).

I see the Euro riots and domestic flash mobs as the kind of intolerable disorder that leads the silent majority of independents to support law and order, and putting grownups back in charge.

It could be 1968 all over again.

I just hope we nominate someone more conservative than Nixon.


9 posted on 08/26/2011 4:09:49 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Are you better off now than you were four trillion dollars ago?)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

LBJ was so bad he he didn’t seek his Party’s nomination and his VP Hubert H. Humphrey ran in his place (read = Hitlery). A Democratic Gov. George Wallace ran as a 3rd Party and Nixon held on as Humphrey surged to bring it within 1%. 4 years later I was working for McGovern against Nixon and Wallace was running again, till they pumped 5 bullets into him. They could have called that election right there and then. Palin/Rubio will march across this country in ‘12 like a hot knife through warm butter.


10 posted on 08/26/2011 4:09:49 PM PDT by ynotjjr (Palin/Rubio 2012 It's called the Constitution. Learn it, live it, love it!)
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To: Bob Mc D

I remember like it was yesterday:

“I will not seek, nor will I accept, the nomination of my party”

We can only dream. Hillary would probably run in his place.

LBJ had Vietnam and had lost confidence of the independents that we should continue with the war.

BHO’s “Vietnam” is jobs and the lack of them. And he also has lost confidence of the independents.

So maybe the comparison works on this level. But Nixon was a Rino. Price controls? Come on!


11 posted on 08/26/2011 4:22:53 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: ynotjjr
LBJ started to run but Eugene McCarthy did surprisingly well in the New Hampshire primary, and then Robert Kennedy announced his candidacy. Johnson surprised the country by announcing his decision not to run for another term at the end of March 1968. RFK had just won the California primary when he was killed by Sirhan Sirhan. My opinion at the time was that Humphrey was going to get the nomination anyway since the Johnson loyalists wanted him rather than RFK, but maybe some will argue that Kennedy would have been the nominee.

Afterwards McGovern had the rules changed so that the party bosses had less control over the process in 1972 and afterwards.

12 posted on 08/26/2011 4:33:48 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Bob Mc D
This paragraph is worth repeating:
Just think about it folks: Obama has spent us into oblivion (he added more money to the national debt in his first 19 months “than all presidents from Washington to Reagan combined”). He has not only watched the mobs break loose in certain cities, but has instigated them via his ongoing habit of pitting one group or class of people against another. And while our soldiers are being shot and killed overseas, Obama is angling for a way to pass a second stimulus bill and to raise more taxes in his ongoing bid to "spread the wealth around."

13 posted on 08/26/2011 4:36:08 PM PDT by FreeKeys ("Most of the voters [in 2008]...wanted an incompetent adolescent narcissist for president."- JRDunn)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel
The author doesn't actually claim that LBJ and Nixon ran against each other for the Presidency.

The Democrats hated Nixon long before his landslide win in 1972...going back to his days as Congressman when he took Whittaker Chambers' side in the Alger Hiss case. He was just as bad as Senator Joseph McCarthy in their eyes. Then there was the 1950 Senate race against the "Pink Lady."

14 posted on 08/26/2011 4:40:07 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: MIchaelTArchangel
Um, LBJ/Nixon never occurred.

He means the transition from one President to another and one period to another -- Carter / Reagan compared to LBJ / Nixon. I disagree with his assertion. Obama is nothing like LBJ who had balls and took leaks on teh front lawn while being interviewed. Obama is much more like Carter

15 posted on 08/26/2011 5:09:20 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

LBJ quit rather than run again and gave us Nixon. Nixon was really running against LBG and it didn’t really matter at all who the nominal Democrat candidate was. He was just a stand-in for LBJ.


16 posted on 08/26/2011 5:17:41 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: fnord

A feckless Romney?


17 posted on 08/26/2011 5:18:50 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Bob Mc D
I have 4 hopes for 2012:
1) we do not sacrifice our conservative principles in favor of someone the MSM tell us can get elected. In other words, reject RINOs and choose a conservative that will not waver in cutting the Federal gov’t, hopefully by reducing its size by 50% in 3 years.
2) we will not be afraid to run against Obamalamadingdong's words, his ideology, and his fiscal, employment, energy, and economic record and the fact he refuses to put numbers on paper
3) we will fight against overconfidence and reject any talk or suggestion that we are guaranteed a landslide victory
4) we destroy, without mercy and with extreme prejudice, the elitist Republican establishment and their candidates in every primary. It is time to let them serve their masters in the DNC in a more up close and personal way. GOODBYE BOEHNER and the entire House Leadership team and GOODBYE MCCONNELL and the entire Senate Leadership team and ESPECIALLY any member that is or has been part of any ‘GANG’.
18 posted on 08/26/2011 5:59:17 PM PDT by cashless (Unlike Obama and his supporters, I'd rather be a TEA BAGGER than a TEA BAGGEE.)
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To: cashless

I hope you get your hopes fulfilled


19 posted on 08/26/2011 6:03:48 PM PDT by fnord (Republicans are just the right-wing of the left-wing of American politics)
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To: HerrBlucher

George Wallace ran as a 3rd party and won 5 Southern states’ electoral votes, which would have gone to Nixon. There was no way the Deep South would have voted for Humphrey. That was the reason for the closeness of the election of 1968.


20 posted on 08/26/2011 6:22:47 PM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: cashless

A most excellent post.


21 posted on 08/26/2011 6:33:29 PM PDT by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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