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In hurricane Irene bull's eye, coastal NC braces (CCW permits invalid) [or not, see post 46]
Yahoo ^ | 8/26/11 | Patrik Jonsson

Posted on 08/27/2011 12:12:17 AM PDT by Libloather

In hurricane Irene bull's eye, coastal North Carolina braces
By Patrik Jonsson | Christian Science Monitor – 15 hrs ago

**SNIP**

North Carolina declared a state of emergency Thursday, opening access to federal assets to help government agencies respond to the disaster.

To help with a potentially disastrous aftermath, the government has stationed mountains of supplies, including water and generators, at Fort Bragg, one of the country's largest military installations. In North Carolina, an emergency declaration also means concealed weapons carry permits are invalid for the duration – another grim reminder of the potential of a storm to cause civil unrest.

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Never heard of that before. If there's ever a good case to HAVE a CCW permit...
1 posted on 08/27/2011 12:12:27 AM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

still think this is a free country?

If you wanted proof that we were all snookered when they started “allowing” us to have CCW permits, this is it.

Constitutional carry or nothing!


2 posted on 08/27/2011 12:15:44 AM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Libloather

>> CCW permits invalid for duration of the emergency.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. /s


3 posted on 08/27/2011 12:18:46 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been Redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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To: Libloather

Well...that’s bull#$%^. Isn’t it?


4 posted on 08/27/2011 12:20:10 AM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: Libloather

How about a shotgun .. out in the open?


5 posted on 08/27/2011 12:21:43 AM PDT by freejohn ("Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference." --- Mark Twain)
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To: Libloather

This makes absolutely no sense.

Civil unrest? Who said there would be civil unrest?

I don’t discount the damage that could be done by this storm, but with one huge exception, most people pull together in times like these.


6 posted on 08/27/2011 12:25:44 AM PDT by berdie
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To: Libloather

LOL!
I doubt there is 1 person in 1,000 who now carries and who will stop carrying because “the authorities” have repealed their right to carry.
Funny stuff.

And you’re first instinct was right on - - it is exactly with the possibility of “civil unrest” in mind that many people carry in the first place. The state’s ludicrous declaration that CCWs are “invalid” is ludicrous. People would have to be fools to pay any attention to this nonsense.


7 posted on 08/27/2011 12:31:15 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: berdie

Louisiana, Hurricane Katrina ring a bell?

Some idiots tried that after Rita in Houston and Galveston, but unlike NOPD, HPD and GPD stayed on the job and busted them in no time flat. IIRC, the looter season was sadly short last time.


8 posted on 08/27/2011 12:32:20 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Libloather
Yes, that is when everyone needs to be carrying!

Governments love disasters as excuses to gain power!

9 posted on 08/27/2011 12:43:43 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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To: berdie

well...in the South and in urban areas up north...that huge exception is quite a large exception

40% in my homestate


10 posted on 08/27/2011 12:47:27 AM PDT by wardaddy (I support Bachmann...or Palin should she enter...but I am not a Palin Harpy...know the difference)
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To: Spktyr

Hmmm, I think I said with one notable exception, didn’t I?

I have friends and family on the HPD. I know how it was handled. I was very proud of them.

What does that have to do with suspending concealed carry in North Carolina for something that “might” happen?

IIRC, concealed carry was not suspended in Texas. (Not that it would have made one bit of difference.);)


11 posted on 08/27/2011 12:53:04 AM PDT by berdie
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To: Libloather

Bump for later comment.


12 posted on 08/27/2011 12:53:49 AM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: berdie

There was looting after Katrina. In Japan they pull together... who knows what people will try to pull off in a disaster zone here...I’d like to think that we’ll be better than that...but I can’t blame people for wanting to carry concealed.


13 posted on 08/27/2011 12:55:11 AM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: wardaddy

Well, I don’t know, Wardaddy.

There have been disasters in many areas. Most of the time, people pull together. That sure isn’t publicized.

I just think suspending concealed carry because something might happen is coo-coo.


14 posted on 08/27/2011 1:03:06 AM PDT by berdie
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To: Libloather
I see no need to hide a weapon in this type situation. Eliminate any problems with b*llsh*t ruling and open carry it. Simply wear it so everyone can see you have a gun and are armed and protect yourself. Eliminate the problem before anything happens since most or all criminals will not try to rob or harm and armed person. Carry your gun so it is visible. While i agree the government has no right to void the CCW permits, they also have no right to require one either!
15 posted on 08/27/2011 1:06:06 AM PDT by Plumberman27
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To: berdie

I think the NC law is wrong, but I was pointing out why they might be thinking there would be civil unrest.

I’d also point out that counting on everyone pulling together isn’t a great idea unless you have a backup.


16 posted on 08/27/2011 1:08:42 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Winstons Julia

I get a little annoyed that people (not you in particular) keep comparing the disaster in Japan to the US. Actually there was looting. Katrina put a huge stain on the US. I blame the media.

There are many disasters in this country that are not publicized. The flooding in the Midwest...no publicity. The fires in the Southwest..no publicity. There was no story, because the populace took care of business and pulled together.

Even during Katrina, Mississippi handled their own. No publicity.

I will now return my soapbox to my closet. :)


17 posted on 08/27/2011 1:15:23 AM PDT by berdie
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To: Spktyr

We agree on that “backup” point.


18 posted on 08/27/2011 1:19:04 AM PDT by berdie
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To: Libloather

I keep seeing this whole thing way overblown. There will be damage, but nothing like the idiots standing in the rain are telling us. Just another slow news month when the MSM is trying to avoid talking about the stellar vacation the Regime just had. Swell.


19 posted on 08/27/2011 1:19:36 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lancey Howard
The state’s ludicrous declaration that CCWs are “invalid” is ludicrous. People would have to be fools to pay any attention to this nonsense.

But it does indicate what "the state" intends to do in a case of actual civil unrest...

Just a thought.

20 posted on 08/27/2011 1:21:02 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Spktyr

There might be civil unrest? All the more reason to NOT make it a crime to have a means of self defense.

Does anyone really believe that those that took the time to get a permit to carry concealed are going to be the ones looting the local WalMart?


21 posted on 08/27/2011 1:21:08 AM PDT by Double Tap
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To: Winstons Julia

We just saw the Midwest destroyed without looting and civil unrest. Katrina is a poor benchmark for the way people react to disaster.


22 posted on 08/27/2011 1:21:35 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Libloather

The storm is now coming to where I live. If my house is flooded and FEMA doesn’t instantly respond, I’m going to publicly declare that Obama doesn’t like white people.


23 posted on 08/27/2011 1:23:11 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Mark Halperin - Learned the hard way what happens when you speak the truth on PMSNBC.)
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To: berdie

models show this storm weakening...i hope that holds

will damage some coastal southern but by the time it gets past VA outer islands it will be a TS

again...I hope

never seen the media go so crazy


24 posted on 08/27/2011 1:26:35 AM PDT by wardaddy (I support Bachmann...or Palin should she enter...but I am not a Palin Harpy...know the difference)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
If my house is flooded and FEMA doesn’t instantly respond, I’m going to publicly declare that Obama doesn’t like white people.

Big deal. Eric Holder's DOJ will just declare liking people was never intended for whites in the first place.

25 posted on 08/27/2011 1:26:46 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Double Tap

Uh, guess you didn’t read. I’m against the NC law and for CCW.

I was only pointing out to another poster that there was cause to believe they might have civil unrest. In which case, there would be more need for CCW, not less, and therefore it should not be suspended.


26 posted on 08/27/2011 1:27:37 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: wardaddy
never seen the media go so crazy

A bad storm would make a really good "dry run" for gauging response to something catastrophic in the north east, wouldn't it?

27 posted on 08/27/2011 1:30:31 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Plumberman27

No carry period in NC during a declared emergency.

Only on your own property.

If you own a beach house and are driving down to check on it and throw a shot gun in the trunk? You could be arrested if you’re stopped by the wrong cop.


28 posted on 08/27/2011 1:32:52 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: wardaddy

I see the same thing..and hope it is true.

I think the media was all set to do a “hurricane show” all week and will now have to reprogram. :)


29 posted on 08/27/2011 1:33:48 AM PDT by berdie
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To: Libloather
Shall NOT be INFRINGED!

Proof libs are reading comprehension disabled!

30 posted on 08/27/2011 1:40:24 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: berdie
I have the liberals religious channel on now (weather channel) and some idiot keeps reading that Mayor Christie of NJ has ordered some idiots off some beach.
31 posted on 08/27/2011 1:41:35 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Libloather

When a government “gives” you your rights, they can take them away.


32 posted on 08/27/2011 1:48:42 AM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: Just mythoughts

I won’t lie. At one time in my youthful life, I would have said...”I spit in your eye Mr. or Mrs. Hurricane. I’m workin’on a tan.”

In my more advanced years, I would probably be fighting over plywood at the local Home Depot and worried about skin cancer.

Darn, I hate being a grown up.

Governor Christie isn’t wrong. Why put rescuers at risk?


33 posted on 08/27/2011 1:56:42 AM PDT by berdie
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To: berdie
Governor Christie isn’t wrong. Why put rescuers at risk?

Governor is his correct title, but the buffoons on the weather channel are calling him Mayor. I have NO issue with him the Governor, telling the idiots on the beach to get off ..... I got fed up with the stupids on the weather channel referring to him as the Mayor.

34 posted on 08/27/2011 2:03:59 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts

I had no idea they were doing that.

How weird is that, lol.


35 posted on 08/27/2011 2:08:23 AM PDT by berdie
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To: berdie
I had no idea they were doing that. How weird is that, lol.

Typical liberal methodology, diminish the opposition. One time maybe an accident but over and over and over no longer a mistake.

36 posted on 08/27/2011 2:17:42 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts

Very likely the truth.

Didn’t the Weather Channel recently change hands to a bunch of libs?


37 posted on 08/27/2011 2:21:21 AM PDT by berdie
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To: Libloather

It wouldn’t slow me down.


38 posted on 08/27/2011 2:28:19 AM PDT by exnavy (May the Lord bless and keep our troops.)
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To: berdie
Very likely the truth. Didn’t the Weather Channel recently change hands to a bunch of libs?

Yes. The powers that be have turned the 'weather channel' into 'Saturday nite live' for the weather gods. I can't stand the Al and Stephanie sitcom every morning. Egos on parade preaching the algore heresies of 'man-made climate change'.

39 posted on 08/27/2011 2:30:38 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Libloather
CCW restricted?

Well here's something for all you bleeding hearts to think about:
IF TROUBLE IS SECONDS AWAY; THE POLICE ARE MINUTES AWAY. Do the math.

Or in case of natural disaster they are hours or days away. According to your squishy feel-good beliefs all should be disarmed and left to the will of looters, thugs, burglars, rapists, and worse? Of course those crimes have never happened in mass quantities. Oh, wait, Katrina comes to mind.

Is there something in your liberal/progressive brain pan that warps your natural self-preservation instincts? Really? I really don't understand why you don't want to defend yourself. Are you so wrapped up in your silly Mother Earth ideology or just too plain chicken-shit to defend yourselves?

That said, and knowing how you hate guns, I think if you want to be consistent, you should have a sign on your lawn or door saying,
"This Is A Gun Free Zone".

I'm there for you. I'll actually contribute to your signage.
"NO GUNS! NOT NOW! NOT EVER!
NO GUNS HERE, FOREVER!

Actually, my favorite is:
THIS IS A WEAPONIZED NON-VICTIM ZONE;
TRY NEXT DOOR!

40 posted on 08/27/2011 2:35:43 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever.)
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To: A Navy Vet

Suspending CCW is not the problem. It is knowing the government will find an excuse to not end the suspension that is the problem.


41 posted on 08/27/2011 3:03:40 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Sarah Palin 2012 - Nothing but Net)
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To: berdie

The Weather Channel has been libs/environmental whack jobs from the get go.


42 posted on 08/27/2011 3:14:31 AM PDT by Vor Lady (Everyone should read The Importance of the Electoral College by Geo. Grant)
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To: Winstons Julia

Comparing New Orleans to Mississippi is an unfair comparison. Louisiana took care of its own. New Orleans is a major city. The suburbs and parishes surrounding New Orleans took care of their own. Parts of New Orleans took care of their own. New Orleans is just a different animal so the MSM could exploit a small number of incidences in a big way. The surrounding areas had their own incidences that they dealt with. The per capita looting (not that I’ve seen any numbers) felt about the same in the rural suburbs as in the city. It’s just not news when Joe gets his lawn mower stolen from his garage as opposed to a Wally World being looted.


43 posted on 08/27/2011 3:16:38 AM PDT by loucon
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Suspending CCW is not the problem.

Bullshit!

Suspending CCW at any time is the problem!

44 posted on 08/27/2011 3:19:08 AM PDT by Aroostook25
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To: Libloather

Mein got! Who here has any firearms/weapons? We lost them all in tragic boating accidents during the last storm, remember? Comeon guys.


45 posted on 08/27/2011 3:25:25 AM PDT by Daffynition ("Don't just live your life, but witness it also.")
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To: Libloather
(CCW permits invalid for duration)

Please stop spreading this disinformation.

The Governor's office issued this statement when it declared the initial state of emergency for the eastern NC counties:

This order is adopted pursuant to my powers under Article 1 of Chapter 166A of the General Statutes and under Article 36A of Chapter 14 of the General Statutes. It does not trigger the limitations on weapons in G.S. § 14-288.7 or impose any limitation on the consumption, transportation, sale or purchase of alcoholic beverages.

In NC, we deal with this all the time when a state of emergency is declared. Some idiot jurisdictions like King continue to be a problem, but the 2nd Amendment groups already have active suits there. I think we will eventually change our law (G.S. § 14-288.7) but until then, the Governor can just state that the declaration does not trigger that particular statute.

46 posted on 08/27/2011 3:29:44 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: Libloather
Yep - really nuts. After Katrina, New Orleans police started confiscating weapons - that left them in the hands of of the bad guys (remember stories of folks shooting at rescue helicopters...).

In Mississippi, the y left our guns alone. I had my .357 on my hip (without a CCW, so technically illegal) and was putting a sign at the entrance to our street that said: Armed Community - looters WILL BE SHOT. A Florida Trooper cruised by, paused to look me over and read the sign, then touched the brim of his hat and drove off.

Knowing that difference in gun philosophy, one might ask how much looting they saw in Mississippi - I saw none on the news. Makes a case for INSISTING those with weapons carry them, CCW or not, during this type emergency - it keeps the rabble rousers in line.

47 posted on 08/27/2011 3:30:20 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: berdie

“...most people pull together in times like these.”

Yes, unlike animals who often turn against each other, ‘human beings’ will help each other during a crisis.

Perfect example would be the aftermath of Katrina down in New Orleans, i.e. looting, robbery, rapes etc.


48 posted on 08/27/2011 3:38:15 AM PDT by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: Daffynition
Mein got! Who here has any firearms/weapons? We lost them all in tragic boating accidents during the last storm, remember? Comeon guys.

I DO! I have plenty of weapons, and ammo with which to feed them, too.

I am of the opinion that when the day comes that we have to hide our weapons from the government... that is the day we had better start USING them.

49 posted on 08/27/2011 3:40:47 AM PDT by PalmettoMason (Blacks are not inferior, but it is racist to hold them to the same standards as everyone else.)
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To: Daffynition
My dog ate my homework arsenal.
50 posted on 08/27/2011 3:44:47 AM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep...clowns will eat me.)
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