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Vaccine Cleared Again as Autism Culprit
NY Times ^ | August 25, 2011 | GARDINER HARRIS

Posted on 08/27/2011 2:07:53 PM PDT by neverdem

Yet another panel of scientists has found no evidence that a popular vaccine causes autism. But despite the scientists’ best efforts, their report is unlikely to have any impact on the frustrating debate about the safety of these crucial medicines.

“The M.M.R. vaccine doesn’t cause autism, and the evidence is overwhelming that it doesn’t,” Dr. Ellen Wright Clayton, the chairwoman ...

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The panel did conclude, however, that there are risks to getting the chickenpox vaccine that can arise years after vaccination. People who have had the vaccine can develop pneumonia, meningitis or hepatitis years later if the virus used in the vaccine reawakens because an unrelated health problem, like cancer, has compromised their immune systems.

The same problems are far more likely in patients who are infected naturally at some point in their lives with chickenpox, since varicella zoster, the virus that causes chickenpox, can live dormant in nerve cells for decades...

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For instance, recent studies have found that many of the children who suffered seizures and lifelong problems after receiving the whole-cell pertussis vaccine, which is no longer used but once routinely caused fevers in children, actually had Dravet syndrome, a severe form of epilepsy. The flood of lawsuits over the effects of the whole-cell pertussis vaccine was the reason Congress created the national vaccine injury compensation program in the first place, and children who suffered seizures after getting this vaccine have been among the most well-compensated...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Testing
KEYWORDS: autism; chickenpoxvaccine; disorders; gardasil; immunology; lawsuit; mmr; pharmaceuticals; vaccine; vaccines
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1 posted on 08/27/2011 2:08:00 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

I think Autism is caused by Florescent lighting .. look at the time .... correlates beautifully with schools changing to Florescent Lighting

I noticed that people’s Autism symptoms are reduced when they are outside in natural lighting.


2 posted on 08/27/2011 2:11:03 PM PDT by dila813
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To: neverdem

There are people who are convinced that vaccines cause autism. Nothing will ever change their minds.


3 posted on 08/27/2011 2:13:55 PM PDT by youngidiot (Hear Hear!)
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To: neverdem

“popular” vaccine?


4 posted on 08/27/2011 2:14:43 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: neverdem
Vaccine Cleared Again as Autism Culprit

Sure glad to hear that....

5 posted on 08/27/2011 2:15:21 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: dila813
I think many of the autism cases are nothing more than and assault on "imperfect children. The ADT children are "imperfect", too.

I think we have to look and look again....What is a perfect child...not shy, not too outgoing, sits still or wiggles, too short, too tall, too skinny, too fat....

I think we have to get back to; "Let's get serious....Normal has the biggest span....we've reduced it to a mean....it is not.

6 posted on 08/27/2011 2:17:13 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Mother Abigail; EBH; vetvetdoug; Smokin' Joe; Global2010; Battle Axe; null and void; ...

With those complications, it sure sounds like they are using a live, attenuated varicella vaccine.


7 posted on 08/27/2011 2:19:07 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Sacajaweau
Whoops...ADD

They've also come out with the adult vrsion of ADD...If they've been doing okay for 50, 60, 70, 80 years...then JUST GO AWAY!!!!

8 posted on 08/27/2011 2:21:59 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

It’s no longer autism, but autism spectrum and just about anything fits under that umbrella.


9 posted on 08/27/2011 2:22:46 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: dila813

I don’t remember ever hearing about autism growing up and I certainly didn’t know any autistic children. I have always wondered where autism came from.


10 posted on 08/27/2011 2:23:40 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Sacajaweau

Many of those ADD cases would vanish immediately if the parents would give Johnny a good swat on the buttocks.


11 posted on 08/27/2011 2:27:29 PM PDT by bgill (just getting tagline ready for 6 months after you vote in Perry - Tried to warn you he's a RINO.)
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To: Moonman62
Well, they scaring the hell out of parents. My friends daughter is soooo upset. Come to find out, the school will get more money.

The kid is fine...just a little shy....BUT HE'S 3!!!!! All his verbal/mechanical/physical skills are absolutely fine. He just doesn't like annoying adults....Just like his grandma....

12 posted on 08/27/2011 2:29:23 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: bgill
I absolutely agree.

I saw a puppy on Ritalin...saddest thing I ever saw...the puppy brother was scooting around....LIKE A DOG. The ritalin puppy was laying motionless on the owner's lap...like a stuffed toy. It was just awful.

13 posted on 08/27/2011 2:31:51 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau
Come to find out, the school will get more money.

An autism spectrum diagnosis turns on the money faucet.

14 posted on 08/27/2011 2:36:12 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Now they give dogs antidepressants for spay incontinence.

[they’re also giving them the banned drug phenylpropanolamine for it]


15 posted on 08/27/2011 2:36:29 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep...clowns will eat me.)
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To: bgill
Many of those ADD cases would vanish immediately if the parents would give Johnny a good swat on the buttocks.

I assume you're referring to the hyperactive ADHD children. The inattentive ones won't be helped by a good swat on the buttocks, in fact, it would probably make things worse.

16 posted on 08/27/2011 2:59:52 PM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy ("[Drug] crusaders cannot accept the fact that they are not God." -Thomas Sowell)
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To: dila813

A coworker and I were discussing this yesterday, she suspects genetically modified foods may be the culprit for Autism. Her daughter has MS at the age of 27. They are experimenting with nutrition using only organic foods. She also suspects “leaky gut” syndrome to be one of the causes of MS. Some of the MS medications have very scarey side effects.


17 posted on 08/27/2011 3:05:58 PM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (DeMint /Palin, DeMint/Bachmann, DeMint/Cain, DeMint/Ryan 2012!!!!!!!)
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To: dila813

Sunlight creates beneficial nutrients for the body to fight toxins in the body and create normal cell function. In fact, sunlight is essential for normal development. It is true that with people inside more and more and using sunscreens (which have toxins) that there is a correlation there also.

Autism and Mercury poisoning have the exact same symptoms—you can’t tell the two apart, which is curious.

The Autism rates skyrocketed (virtually unheard of in the 70’s) with the advent of a massive spike in vaccinations for young children at younger and younger ages. The fact is that the young are much more likely to be affected by toxins. All vaccinations have known toxins in them (and made by who knows who and we can trust FDA and Gates and Marxists not to sterilize the masses).

Babies have no brain barrier—which prevents toxins from entering the brain and yet every Hep B vaccination has known toxins and are given at birth—should be a crime to inject toxins into healthy infants when no danger of getting disease except through promiscuous sex or drug injections. I would put any pediatricians in jail for advocating such idiocy and would switch doctors for such irrational thinking.

Believing any studies done by Crony Capitalism—is the same as believing all the Lancet peer-reviewed “scientific” articles and Hockey Stick graphs proving Global Warming-—it is ALL junk science.

If you believe anything you hear put out by MSM, you are ignorant. They have an agenda, and it only allows one way to think (the one that leads to total serfdom where all faith is eliminated except faith in what government says). All media and corporation studies are controlled—they only allow studies which prove their thesis—that vaccinations are safe (although they admit they are filled with toxins). That is sensible—inject toxins and think there is no reaction in a healthy child to toxins?????

MSM will destroy anyone who tries to say vaccinations are not safe. Those Ph.D’s will never be allowed to get grants or teach, etc. Such destruction of the freedom of speech and ideas should be EXTREMELY troubling. Where are the debates?????

Sure other things may be working to cause Autism. But the fact is....children are being overloaded with toxins where their body just shuts down. Vaccinations are a source of some toxins....that can’t be denied. Increase the age of the vaccinations when the child’s body can efficiently eliminate toxins.—Then again....multiple shots at once injects much more toxins.


18 posted on 08/27/2011 3:10:36 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: Sacajaweau
They've also come out with the adult version of ADD

My husband claimed to have that. It sounds so much better than, "I'm too self-absorbed to pay attention to anything except what I want to at any given time."

19 posted on 08/27/2011 3:12:18 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("True education is not an adjustment to the world, but a defense against the world.")
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

“Her daughter has MS at the age of 27.”

Has she read about Vitamin D? Some research has shown promise for MS patients with Vit. D.


20 posted on 08/27/2011 3:18:18 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: webstersII

I believe she did mention that Vitamin D is being used in her daughters holistic therapy.

Yes, Vitamin D is amazing!


21 posted on 08/27/2011 3:25:30 PM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (DeMint /Palin, DeMint/Bachmann, DeMint/Cain, DeMint/Ryan 2012!!!!!!!)
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To: neverdem

The biggest experiment is the ongoing one that they can’t reproduce in the lab. Take every newborn and stuff him with 30 vaccines including the disease, the media, the metal adjuvants, the preservatives, some animal cells, etc, for the first 6 mo the of the precious child’s life. Then wait and see if he develops neurological problems. Some might show up soon, like the autism spectrum disorders, but some might not show up til he’s 60 like Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s.

People are crazy to put all those poisons into newborns. No child should be subject to that number of them that young. It’s sick.

And no, to those old timers who say it on every autism thread. You can’t spanking autism out of a child. You could have beat my son with your belt until he died in a bloody mass and it would not have helped him.


22 posted on 08/27/2011 3:26:36 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Tax-chick

My girlfriend’s husband was recently diagnosed with adult ADD at the age of 60. He drives her crazy.....:)


23 posted on 08/27/2011 3:27:23 PM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (DeMint /Palin, DeMint/Bachmann, DeMint/Cain, DeMint/Ryan 2012!!!!!!!)
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To: Yaelle

“People are crazy to put all those poisons into newborns. No child should be subject to that number of them that young. It’s sick”

I agree, I’ve been saying this for years! Infants have their mothers immune system for the first year. Just wait until the child is older and stronger to start pumping them with this stuff!


24 posted on 08/27/2011 3:30:52 PM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (DeMint /Palin, DeMint/Bachmann, DeMint/Cain, DeMint/Ryan 2012!!!!!!!)
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To: Yaelle

I don’t understand it - so let’s beat it


25 posted on 08/27/2011 3:31:43 PM PDT by Arec Barrwin
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

What age do you suggest?


26 posted on 08/27/2011 3:49:39 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: dila813

I think it’s caused by parents who are drug abusers. BTW, ever notice how many athletes have children with birth defects?


27 posted on 08/27/2011 3:52:08 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: neverdem

This news is great. It means we can start injecting kids with mercury again! /sarc/


28 posted on 08/27/2011 3:53:37 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I think 12 months and then spread them out a little more between doses.

I have two kids my daughter had reactions to the MMR vac., every time it was given. Heat around the injection site, irritability and fever. She was diagnosed years later with ADD inattentive.

Just my two cents...


29 posted on 08/27/2011 4:05:34 PM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (DeMint /Palin, DeMint/Bachmann, DeMint/Cain, DeMint/Ryan 2012!!!!!!!)
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

I told my husband that, since he seemed to be able to function like normal people at work, I wasn’t going to agree to his being “disabled” at home. Being generously compensated, I would go around behind him doing everything he should be able to do for himself, but I wouldn’t pretend to be an idiot. End of that.


30 posted on 08/27/2011 4:28:33 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("True education is not an adjustment to the world, but a defense against the world.")
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To: neverdem

Here is a link to a vaccine chart that indicates which ones use aborted human fetal cells: http://www.cogforlife.org/fetalvaccines.htm


31 posted on 08/27/2011 4:30:17 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

We minimally vaccinated and took a long time doing it. They didnt finish their shots to age 2 until five or six.

No chickenpox, no STD shots MMR with only a couple.


32 posted on 08/27/2011 4:35:52 PM PDT by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: neverdem
The vaccine-autism hoax has been totally discredited by serious investigators, the originator of the hoax has been de-licensed and exterminated from medical practice for grotesque ethical violations.

It is disgusting that cynical psychopaths would continue to mislead and distress concerned but ill-informed parents to have to worry about this non-issue.

Conservatives need to be the guardians of truth in a darkening world--among other things that means enlightened skepticism about inflammatory and exotic claims with no supporting evidence.

33 posted on 08/27/2011 4:44:53 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: neverdem

One has to be careful when dealing with the introduction of foreign proteins into a baby or toddler. Most children tolerate the vaccines but in some cases it is possible that foreign antigens may induce not an antigen-antibody response but rather an autoimmune response. I think this debate will continue. It seems intuitive that A common factor in 100 children is the introduction of a variety of vaccines at an early age. I’m not saying there is a relationship other than the fact it is a common element and certainly explains why parents and researchers would look there first.


34 posted on 08/27/2011 4:49:14 PM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: webstersII

>>Has she read about Vitamin D? Some research has shown promise for MS patients with Vit. D.<<

Not only MS, but autism, too, might be directly related to the sun avoidance recommendations of the medical profession that have been standard since about 1990.

Here’s a link to a website that will lead to a paper by Dr. John Cannell in which he lays out his vitamin D3 theory of autism. His theory makes a lot of sense to me.

http://www.ontrackreading.com/dyslexia-puzzle/vitamin-d3-and-autism


35 posted on 08/27/2011 4:54:24 PM PDT by Norseman (Term Limits: 8 years is enough!)
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To: All

And here’s a quite interesting letter from a parent to Dr. Cannell, along with his response:

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/news-archive/2010/another-autism-case-report/


36 posted on 08/27/2011 5:02:22 PM PDT by Norseman (Term Limits: 8 years is enough!)
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To: archy

Has any live virus, whether accidentally vaccine-borne (as in the “Cutter incident”) or from the environment, been shown to “cause autism”?


37 posted on 08/27/2011 5:15:23 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Norseman

Modern milk supplies are usually vitamin D supplemented. Milk content of the diet might be expected to influence anything that vitamin D can.


38 posted on 08/27/2011 5:18:17 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Yaelle

A few decades back, Readers Digest carried a story about a boy with an apparent case of autism who seemed to accommodate better to new surroundings (which he usually expressed great fear of) when they were introduced to him suddenly. That might be part of the source of the “beat it out of them” meme. That doesn’t prove that meme true — and I despise family relationships that stoop to bullying in any form — but shows how it might be a form, if distorted, of something that was shown, in at least one instance, to be true.

As for the decrying of how medical science fills infants with all kinds of toxins, this needs to be taken with a grain of salt — considering that unless the infant lives in a bubble, it’s going to pick up the proverbial “peck of dirt” from its own environment. Did someone who lives in your house walk in it? It’s fairly likely a bit of it is going to end up in your baby’s mouth when you aren’t watching.


39 posted on 08/27/2011 5:29:29 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: neverdem

Yeah, scientists who livelihood revolves around propping up industries that hire scientists are going to say vaccines are the cause of autism. Right. Last job they’ll ever have in their field.

Science today is so much more concerned about keeping everyone in line, and the bottom line, and where that next grant is coming from.

The vaccine schedule today is ridiculous. Being given several vaccines at once, on top of that. As the vaccine schedule has grown, it’s not a coincidence that the autism rate has grown right along with it.

These same people scream about mercury and not getting exposed to it yet pump these kids full of thimerosal which is half mercury. In small children and developing brains, this stuff and the vaccines themselves are the logical causes. Especially when the problems occur in the reported cases right after a child is vaccinated.


40 posted on 08/27/2011 5:41:35 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: savagesusie
You're right that these issues need to be discussed rather than swept under the rug. For what it's worth, here's an article published this month from an investigator at a well-regarded academic medical center entitled "Role of Mercury Toxicity in Hypertension, Cardiovascular Disease, and Stroke."
41 posted on 08/27/2011 5:48:37 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: Yaelle; alice_in_bubbaland; Jack Hydrazine; aimhigh; hinckley buzzard; Doc Savage
Take every newborn and stuff him with 30 vaccines including the disease, the media, the metal adjuvants, the preservatives, some animal cells, etc, for the first 6 mo the of the precious child’s life.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/child/mmwr-child-schedule.pdf

Go to page 2. Depending on the third doses of Hepatitis B and Inactivated Poliovirus and the first dose of the Influenza vaccines are given, newborns can get 16 - 19 total doses of seven different vaccines, not one of which is more than 3 times according to the schedule by 6 months.

They give attenuated version of these microbes when they can't get a a good immunologic response from components of inactivated, i.e. dead microbes, or to ease the administration, e.g. the oral Sabin polio vaccine which used a live attenuated polio virus. With HIV/AIDS they reverted to injections with parts of the inactivated polio virus.

Rotavirus vaccine is a judgment call to prevent intussecception, a diagnosis that could require major surgery. Hepatitis A and the chicken pox(Varicella) vaccines were real stretches, IMHO, but they are not given until 12 months.

Thimerosal, the preservative containing mercury, is only in the multidose version of the seasonal flu vaccine, for all intents and purposes. All other vaccines in the USA are available as single, aka unit, doses.

Vaccines with trace amounts of thimerosal contain 1 microgram or less of mercury per dose.

I used to play with elemental mercury as a kid. Mercury gets in the environment when coal is burned.

42 posted on 08/27/2011 5:49:59 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

I wonder sometimes if I will go senile sooner due to the mercury I have gotten from old tooth fillings. Oh darn it, I can’t find my keys again.


43 posted on 08/27/2011 5:55:29 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Secret Agent Man

See comment# 42. Check the links.


44 posted on 08/27/2011 5:58:29 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
As long as Hg remains Hg, it's unlikely to cause toxic effects to the body. An old remedy for stubborn constipation was to drink liquid mercury. The weight of the liquid metal usually did the trick and so little was absorbed by the body that no other health effects were noticed. Microbes that metabolize the Hg to (CH3)2Hg produce a substance that's many orders of magnitude more toxic (and penetrating). A researcher once accidentally got a fatal dose by getting about a drop on a rubber glove.
45 posted on 08/27/2011 6:02:04 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I agree that (CH3)2Hg, methyl mercury, is probbably the most toxic form, usally gotten from eating too many fish high in the food chain, IIRC.


46 posted on 08/27/2011 6:14:12 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: savagesusie
When you write “Babies have no brain barrier...” I assume you mean blood/brain barrier. If so, this barrier develops in the fetus so babies do have it.
47 posted on 08/27/2011 6:14:54 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

>>Modern milk supplies are usually vitamin D supplemented. Milk content of the diet might be expected to influence anything that vitamin D can.<<

The problem is that the amount in milk is insufficient to offset the amount lost by sun avoidance, though it is probably enough to prevent rickets in children if they drink milk regularly. You probably won’t drink enough milk to get vitamin D levels up to the levels that are found to be useful in combating many diseases though. That will take time in the sun, suntanning under the right type of sun lamp, or supplementation.

Fortunately, the government recently doubled the Tolerable Upper Limit to 4,000 IU per day (I routinely take 5,000) so now researchers are able to ethically conduct experiments that are capable of showing the results of getting vitamin D3 levels up into the 50-80 Ng/ml range.


48 posted on 08/27/2011 6:19:14 PM PDT by Norseman (Term Limits: 8 years is enough!)
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To: aposiopetic

That’s all I ask—freedom of debate. But the troubling aspect is the control of studies and grant money, etc. by the Pharmaceutical companies and government. We are talking about billions of dollars for lobbying and influence—to buy off everyone needed which is happening.

Ben Stein addresses the government control of universities and the ability to “steer” studies—so the studies mean nothing— in his movie, “Expelled: No Intelligence allowed.”” The problems are exhibited by the Hockey stick graph-—complete fraud in so called “scientific research”.

This control and lobbying influence has to end. Government control of Universities has to end. We have to have freedom of the Press again....not controlled by a few elites where they can lie and state innuendos to destroy and marginalize people with no evidence. They need to suffer if they malign and destroy people’s reputations—the most evil thing which Solzhenitsyn claimed was happening back in 1978 at Harvard commencement speech. Said we had no free press—it was a joke—just a bunch of lies to “shape” opinion.

The massive power they have to kill and/or mass sterilize everyone at once—is extremely frightening. If you don’t think there are evil people controlling world events—you do not understand history. If you think they will not use science for evil, then you do not understand power and history.

There is a Soros cabal and they want to eliminate billions of people....they have stated it.....and vaccinations/and/or food and water supplies are the best means of implementing evil plans and would be incredibly easy to do. with their massive central control put in place now. Central control of schools and press has got to end—and government involvement in farming and the free market.....well, you get the picture. We are in serious trouble if we do not turn this Marxist regime around very soon. Bill Gates and the “ruling elites” want 3 billion people eliminated soon—off their playground.


49 posted on 08/27/2011 6:20:04 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: savagesusie

“”Increase the age of the vaccinations when the child’s body can efficiently eliminate toxins.— Then again....multiple shots at once injects much more toxins.””

This is not my favorite topic as there are too many nasty freepers who will disagree when you make remarks like this but you are absolutely 100% correct.

There will never be studies made regarding vaccinated vs unvaccinated children with the diagnosis of Autism. That doesn’t fit their agenda nor does it reap profits for Big Pharma. It’s a horrible, horrible scam. Pediatricians are too afraid to speak up and they know very well the problems that are being caused. The list of ailments children have
now is endless and of course all to be treated with DRUGS!

Our daughter didn’t start her son’s vaccinations until after 2 years of age and demands only a single dose when he does get them. Fortunately they found a pediatrician who would agree to their wishes. They were turned away from other pediatrician’s offices when they made their desires known.

He had seen the pediatrician only for checkups until they started the vaccinations. Now they can count on taking him to the doctor at least once a month for something that pops up after a vaccination.

Unfortunately our state doesn’t allow for a personal exemption as we had for her when we lived in CA. I hear that CA is trying to eliminate the personal exemption now.

There is a lot of work to be done on this subject but I can’t see it happening - too much at stake - and the health of our children is the least of their concerns.

Sad but true IMO.


50 posted on 08/27/2011 6:24:00 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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