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Perry calls Social Security 'monstrous lie'
Houston Chronicle ^ | August 28, 2011 | PEGGY FIKAC, AUSTIN BUREAU

Posted on 08/28/2011 3:46:33 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

OTTUMWA, Iowa - Riding high in the polls, Gov. Rick Perry rode into Iowa on Saturday with tough talk on President Obama, the economy and foreign policy and a declaration that Social Security is not only a Ponzi scheme but a "monstrous lie" for younger people.

"If you're for the status quo in America, I'm not your guy," Perry told an overflow crowd eager to see the presidential candidate at The Vine Coffeehouse, where people repeatedly sang God Bless America - once to try to encourage Perry to come in from shaking hands with people outside.

Asked by a woman in the crowd about Social Security being viewed as an entitlement program, Perry reiterated the suggestion in his anti-Washington book, Fed Up!, that the program amounts to a Ponzi scheme.

"It is a Ponzi scheme for these young people. The idea that they're working and paying into Social Security today, that the current program is going to be there for them, is a lie," Perry said. "It is a monstrous lie on this generation, and we can't do that to them."

Later, in Des Moines, when a reporter asked about the suggestion that his campaign was backing off some positions in the staunch states-rights book, Perry said, "I haven't backed off anything in my book. So read the book again and get it right."

National conversation

He told the Ottumwa crowd that for people who are drawing Social Security or near eligibility "like me," he wasn't proposing a change in the program. But he said there should be a national conversation about potential changes for others, including raising the age of eligibility and establishing a threshold based on a person's means.

(Excerpt) Read more at chron.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: economy; perry; perry2012; retirement; rickperry; screwedthepooch; shothimselfinthefoot; socialsecurity; texas
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1 posted on 08/28/2011 3:46:35 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If SS is “means tested” then it just becomes a senior citizens welfare program - a money redistribution program for those who didn’t save while at the same time punishing those who did.

You can’t have it both ways.


2 posted on 08/28/2011 3:52:03 AM PDT by DB
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To: All
AUDIO

Perry speaks on S.S. after the 1/2 way mark in this 12 minute audio of Perry at a press conference.

The WHOLE thing is great.

3 posted on 08/28/2011 3:52:22 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: DB

No matter how you look at it, once we’re talking about the elderly, we will be taking care of them one way or another...even if they didn’t provide for themselves when younger. That doesn’t mean they should be enriched and in luxury, but it does mean that if you take social security altogether away, we will be taking care of the elderly in some way or another.


4 posted on 08/28/2011 3:56:21 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins

Social security has provided an excuse for the children of the elderly to not step up to the plate and directly take care of - be responsible for - their parents. It is wrong to push that responsibility on to others. There were also direct consequences for not having children. Children that would later take care of you.

We now have big daddy government to push the elderly off on.

Just a few more nails in the coffin of the family unit. And we wonder what happened to the family...


5 posted on 08/28/2011 4:14:48 AM PDT by DB
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"If you're for the status quo in America, I'm not your guy,",

I've got a slogan for him.

Hope and Change.

6 posted on 08/28/2011 4:15:31 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Hope FOR Change!


7 posted on 08/28/2011 4:17:59 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: DB

Means testing will be a humiliation to the Rooseveltians. It would admit failure just as much as privatization.


8 posted on 08/28/2011 4:18:42 AM PDT by jimfree (In 2012 Sarah Palin will have more quality executive experience than Barack Obama.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Better yet:

VOTE for Change!


9 posted on 08/28/2011 4:19:34 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: DB

AMEN...AMEN...AMEN!!!!


10 posted on 08/28/2011 4:19:49 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion is the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: DB

AMEN...AMEN...AMEN!!!!


11 posted on 08/28/2011 4:19:57 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion is the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
a declaration that Social Security is not only a Ponzi scheme but a "monstrous lie" for younger people.

I am liking this guy more every day.

12 posted on 08/28/2011 4:30:36 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Boy, three pro-Perry posts before 6 AM Texas time this morning. You’re even working harder to promote St. Rick than the RINOs (Allahpundit and Ed Morrissey) at Hot Air. And, that’s saying something.


13 posted on 08/28/2011 4:41:09 AM PDT by bwc2221
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"I haven't backed off anything in my book. So read the book again and get it right."

Move over Governor Christie.

Perry will get the same reaction as Christie did and as a certain casino mogul did. Watch Perry's poll numbers.


14 posted on 08/28/2011 4:43:47 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

That’ll go over well with all those folks in Florida who are dependent on Social Security.


15 posted on 08/28/2011 4:48:05 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Perry calls Social Security 'monstrous lie'

Oh, the libs are gonna hate that! "Another gaffe", "more anger", "crazy talk", "lies!". I can hear it all now.

16 posted on 08/28/2011 4:48:29 AM PDT by BfloGuy (In old fashioned language, Keynes proposed cheating the workers.)
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To: SoJoCo
That’ll go over well with all those folks in Florida who are dependent on Social Security.

He said that any changes won't affect those on SS now or in the near future...so all those Florida retirees are safe.

He's talking about a long term fix for future generations.

17 posted on 08/28/2011 4:56:15 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Perry was right that outspoken criticism of Social Security can be a headache for a politician. Last Thursday, he was confronted by protesters who said he called the program unconstitutional; he responded, ABC News reported, by putting “a generous piece of popover in his mouth” and saying, “I’ve got a big mouthful.” Outside the restaurant, protesters yelled, “Hands off Social Security and Medicare!”

That same day, Perry’s campaign put forth word that the candidate was essentially repudiating his earlier stance on Social Security. As the Wall Street Journal reported, Perry communications director Ray Sullivan said he hadn’t heard Perry suggest Social Security is unconstitutional and cast “Fed Up” as “a review and critique of 50 years of federal excesses, not in any way as a 2012 campaign blueprint or manifesto.” The book, Sullivan told The Journal, is “a look back, not a path forward.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20095591-503544.html


18 posted on 08/28/2011 4:58:15 AM PDT by free me (Sarah Palin 2012 - GAME ON!!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Man’s on a roll!


19 posted on 08/28/2011 5:04:05 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("True education is not an adjustment to the world, but a defense against the world.")
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To: DB
Social security has provided an excuse for the children of the elderly to not step up to the plate and directly take care of - be responsible for - their parents.

Very good point, DB.

20 posted on 08/28/2011 5:04:46 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: Tax-chick
Man’s on a roll!

And he's just starting to build up steam. The tracks lead straight to the White House!

21 posted on 08/28/2011 5:10:20 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

There is potential!


22 posted on 08/28/2011 5:13:02 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("True education is not an adjustment to the world, but a defense against the world.")
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To: DB
If SS is “means tested” then it just becomes a senior citizens welfare program

It is already that. It is approaching insolvency since longer-living folks are receiving more benefits than what they put it with earnings.

ANY plan that brings about a fiscal solution to the problem will need to include 'means testing' due to simple mathematics. And, yes, that is not "fair". So what? The higher earners don't care and they also know if they "keep" their SS their taxes will just increase somewhere else to make up for it.

The problem needs a more permanent solution and I'm sure a high percentage of American voters prefer an "unfair" SS "welfare program" to senior citizens homeless in our streets.

23 posted on 08/28/2011 5:14:16 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: SoJoCo
That’ll go over well with all those folks in Florida who are dependent on Social Security.

It shows Gov. Perry is not afraid to speak the truth unlike politician who won't touch the 'third rail'.

He's also telling this to the young voters, not the senior citizens. It is a LIE to continue to have the young workers pay into a 'fund' that they are told they'll receive benefits from later if that is impossible they way the system is currently run.

24 posted on 08/28/2011 5:17:57 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: RoosterRedux
He said that any changes won't affect those on SS now or in the near future...so all those Florida retirees are safe.

Of course there won't. And no doubt all those seniors will believe him, a man who has quoted Milton Friedman on Social Security as the 'tyranny of the status quo' and who called it a 'crumbling failure'. In his book, Perry comes up with dozens of good reasons why Social Security never should have been started in the first place. But nowhere in that book is anything about what to do about it now or guaranteeing it for those currently on it. So if Perry tells those looking for solutions to 'read my book' then they aren't going to come away with any warm feelings.

25 posted on 08/28/2011 5:21:27 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: savedbygrace
While it is an accurate observation, do you believe that ending SS will be the solution to that?

You and I both know that that problem goes WAY deeper than a mere government program and requires a cultural and spiritual solution.

26 posted on 08/28/2011 5:22:13 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: SoJoCo
....So if Perry tells those looking for solutions to 'read my book' then they aren't going to come away with any warm feelings.

Time for "warm feelings" is over. It's reality time and seniors (like me and a lot of others I know) understand it. We have children and grandchildren and we will do anything to give them a chance for a future.

27 posted on 08/28/2011 5:24:02 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Servant of the Cross

You have obviously mistaken me for someone who has posted that ending SS will be the solution.


28 posted on 08/28/2011 5:26:06 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: Servant of the Cross
It shows Gov. Perry is not afraid to speak the truth unlike politician who won't touch the 'third rail'.

But peeing on that third rail could cost him a couple of states.

He's also telling this to the young voters, not the senior citizens. It is a LIE to continue to have the young workers pay into a 'fund' that they are told they'll receive benefits from later if that is impossible they way the system is currently run.

Since Social Security is currently a pay-as-you-go process, if Perry ends the payments into the fund by the current workers then those on Social Security won't be funded. So wouldn't that mean an end to their benefits as well?

29 posted on 08/28/2011 5:26:51 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Time for "warm feelings" is over. It's reality time and seniors (like me and a lot of others I know) understand it. We have children and grandchildren and we will do anything to give them a chance for a future.

So what is the governor's solution? I must have missed that part in his book.

30 posted on 08/28/2011 5:27:54 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: SoJoCo
But peeing on that third rail could cost him a couple of states.

It will have Perry win in a landslide.

31 posted on 08/28/2011 5:27:58 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: SoJoCo
Well, if I were in Perry's shoes, I wouldn't have mentioned it...so I hope he knows what he's doing.

That said, if he can adroitly deal with this issue without scaring the pants off retirees, he'll get a lot of press coverage for tapping on a "third rail" issue.

32 posted on 08/28/2011 5:29:12 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’ll give Perry credit - he’s the first major candidate to state the obvious truth about Social Security. Now will he state the same truth about Medicare? How about our national debt? The list is endless for an “honest politician”, I wonder if this is as far as it goes for him?


33 posted on 08/28/2011 5:31:11 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: DB

“You can’t have it both ways.”

This is America......”Yes We Can”.


34 posted on 08/28/2011 5:34:16 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: RoosterRedux

“He said that any changes won’t affect those on SS now or in the near future...so all those Florida retirees are safe.”

Oh, so he actually did continue the lie.....

For a minute I thought he was being honest about Social Security.


35 posted on 08/28/2011 5:36:43 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: DB; All
Well-stated, DB. Thanks.

It is the greatest FRAUD ever FORCED on "free" people. It is built on the backs of dead Americans.

DEFUND socialist collectives foreign and domestic. We become very low-taxed, prosperous, productive citizens who live in a country which acts as a beacon for individual liberty...an example for the rest of the world.

"This legal plunder may be only an isolated stain among the legislative measures of the people. If so, it is best to wipe it out with a minimum of speeches and denunciations — and in spite of the uproar of the vested interests."

"Above all, if you wish to be strong, begin by rooting out every particle of socialism that may have crept into your legislation. This will be no light task."

Frederic Bastiat 1801-1850

It's the socialism, stupid.

36 posted on 08/28/2011 5:46:03 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: savedbygrace
You posted “Amen Amen Amen” (twice) to the following post:

Social security has provided an excuse for the children of the elderly to not step up to the plate and directly take care of - be responsible for - their parents. It is wrong to push that responsibility on to others. There were also direct consequences for not having children. Children that would later take care of you.

We now have big daddy government to push the elderly off on.

If that doesn’t mean you support the end of “big daddy government”, then I apologize for posting to you.

37 posted on 08/28/2011 5:47:32 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; All

HOORAY Rick Perry for at least saying that much about it. Thanks for posting, Cincinatus’ Wife. Thanks to all posters.


38 posted on 08/28/2011 5:48:13 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: DB

That is all Social Security is. There is no lockbox, you have no account that its just yours, it just social insurance.

The Supreme Court has already said this in 1960, in the case Flemming v. Nestor.


39 posted on 08/28/2011 5:49:42 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: RFEngineer
Here's a bit on Medicaid (I know you asked about Medicare) I've posted. I can see where he is heading though.

July 18, 2011: Gov. Rick Perry signs health care reform bill into law; Texas fourth state to pass health care compacts bill

"With the signature of Gov. Rick Perry today, Texas has joined three other states stating their intention to enter into a health care compact.

The compact, which would challenge the authority of the federal government to dictate the terms of the federally and state funded Medicaid program, was part of a wide-ranging health care reform bill, Senate Bill 7, passed by the Texas Legislature in its recently concluded special session.

Georgia, Oklahoma and Missouri have already signed onto the compacts movement, with Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon signing a bill into law on Thursday.

The law establishes Texas, along with the other three states, as pioneers in an uncharted use of Article 1, Section 10 of the Constitution which allows states to enter into agreements that, with the approval of Congress, cannot be abridged by the federal government. There are more than 200 state compacts currently in effect, nearly all of them related to commerce.”…..

40 posted on 08/28/2011 5:49:46 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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It will have Perry win in a landslide.

We'll see. I'll agree that right now it looks like the only candidate who can beat Perry is Perry himself. And he seems like he's more than capable of doing so.

41 posted on 08/28/2011 5:52:57 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: RFEngineer
Oh, so he actually did continue the lie.....

Um ... no. SS does not become insolvent for years, at this point. The solution will need to include multiple prospective changes (means testing; lengthened retirement ages; segregation of funds/privatization of the investment of the funds) in order to "grandfather" and continue the payments to the current retires living on SS.

42 posted on 08/28/2011 5:56:23 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: RFEngineer

OMG! You REALLY think any reform is going to throw people drawing SS, or those who have paid in for decades and about to draw it, off immediately?


43 posted on 08/28/2011 5:57:41 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: savedbygrace
My sincere apologies. I did mix up posters and you were very specific about the point you did agree with, which had nothing to do with SS ending.

Again, I am truly sorry (heading for caffeine). FReeregards.

44 posted on 08/28/2011 6:00:06 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: RoosterRedux
Well, if I were in Perry's shoes, I wouldn't have mentioned it...so I hope he knows what he's doing.

We will see.

That said, if he can adroitly deal with this issue without scaring the pants off retirees, he'll get a lot of press coverage for tapping on a "third rail" issue.

To date I haven't seen any indication that 'adroit' and 'Rick Perry' collide much in the same sentence. Perry seems to relish his shoot-from-the-lip, cowboy persona and it seems that in the early running any good ideas he may have are getting drowned by his Texas swagger. This country is in a lot of trouble. There are no easy answers. People know that and they wonder why their politicians don't. So flip comments to 'read my book' - a book that does a great job of identifying our problems but which provides few, if any, real solutions - isn't going to work for him in the long run. It's going to leave a lot of people scared and wondering.

45 posted on 08/28/2011 6:00:40 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: SoJoCo
There are no easy answers.

Here's an easy answer...


46 posted on 08/28/2011 6:04:25 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: SoJoCo
Since Social Security is currently a pay-as-you-go process...

Most people don't realize that. They think the Social Security Trust Fund, stuffed with US Government IOUs (not negotiable, paid-for, and issued bonds) is a real thing that Social Security can draw on.

47 posted on 08/28/2011 6:06:33 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If he’s talking about privatization, then I’m all for it.


48 posted on 08/28/2011 6:07:17 AM PDT by sneakers (EAT YOUR PEAS!)
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To: SoJoCo

Peggy? Dowager Dame Peggy Noonan? Is that you?


49 posted on 08/28/2011 6:11:41 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: SoJoCo
So flip comments to 'read my book' - a book that does a great job of identifying our problems but which provides few, if any, real solutions - isn't going to work for him in the long run. It's going to leave a lot of people scared and wondering.

Did you write today's LA Times editorial?

The problem with Perry

Sounds like you did!

50 posted on 08/28/2011 6:14:48 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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