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Anti-baby boom: Why U.S. birth rate keeps falling
CNN ^ | August 16, 2011 | Jessica Dickler

Posted on 08/28/2011 2:32:58 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Right before the recession hit, the U.S. was undergoing a mini baby boom. Now, birth rates are declining fast.

The number of children born in the U.S. peaked with a record 4.3 million births in 2007, but has since fallen, dropping to 4 million births last year, according to estimates by the National Center for Health Statistics. The birth rate -- a measure of births per 1,000 people -- has dropped 10%.

Historically, declines in birth rates have gone hand in hand with economic downturns. During the financial slumps of the early 1990's and 1970's, the birth rates fell 15% and 18%, respectively. In the midst of the Great Depression, the birth rate was down by 17%.

Meanwhile, the cost of raising a child has risen steadily since the U.S. Department of Agriculture began tracking the data in 1960. From buying car seats and strollers to paying for childcare and schooling, a middle-income family could spend an average of $226,920 to raise a child born in 2010 to age 18 (and that doesn't include overwhelming cost of college), according to the USDA.

The escalating cost, coupled with the most recent economic downturn, has caused many women to postpone or even forgo their plans to have children, said Steven Martin, a senior research associate for the Institute of Human Development and Social Change at New York University. "Certainly economic calamity does cause a significant decline in fertility," he said.

In fact, nearly half, or 43%, of women said they would wait to start or expand their family until they felt financially stable, according to a recent survey by BabyCenter.com, an online parenting resource.

(Excerpt) Read more at money.cnn.com ...


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KEYWORDS: birthrate; contraception; demographics; populationcontrol
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1 posted on 08/28/2011 2:33:00 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
20 to 25 seems to be a good number.

I'm going to have to talk with my kids.

2 posted on 08/28/2011 2:35:38 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: MinorityRepublican

The more sexually deviant and permissive the culture gets, the less people want to have children.

example: Japan (kiddie porn is even legal)


3 posted on 08/28/2011 2:35:55 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: MinorityRepublican

That’s OK, the government will just import more people from 3rd world countries to make up for it.


4 posted on 08/28/2011 2:37:50 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Paladin2

How about 50 million abortions since Roe vs. Wade?


5 posted on 08/28/2011 2:38:28 PM PDT by cumbo78
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To: MinorityRepublican

oh, idunno. any chance it has to do with infertility linked to abortions?


6 posted on 08/28/2011 2:40:04 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: MinorityRepublican

I also think that most females don’t want the peer pressure to have an abortion. About the only people having kids these days are illegal aliens and “single moms” still in high school.


7 posted on 08/28/2011 2:41:43 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (If the Tea Party was a bunch of Islamofascist "rebels", would the state run "media" like us too?)
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To: GeronL
example: Japan (kiddie porn is even legal)

You're misinformed.
8 posted on 08/28/2011 2:42:30 PM PDT by aNYCguy
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To: MinorityRepublican

Abortion.


9 posted on 08/28/2011 2:48:52 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: aNYCguy

Okay, in Tokyo and Nagano kiddie porn is legal to possess.


10 posted on 08/28/2011 2:50:57 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
About the only people having kids these days are illegal aliens and “single moms” still in high school.

Sometimes I wonder if completely incorrect statements go unchallenged on FR because the majority of people are intelligently disregarding them without a word, or because people are believing them without any evidence at all.
11 posted on 08/28/2011 2:51:36 PM PDT by aNYCguy
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To: MinorityRepublican

I think our increasingly socialist society has something to do with it.

The producers can’t afford to have kids. The non producers do have kids but they’re also prime targets of the left for abortion.


12 posted on 08/28/2011 2:52:43 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: cumbo78
How about 50 million abortions since Roe vs. Wade?

Bears repeating. Abortion is not safe for children or other living things.

13 posted on 08/28/2011 2:54:04 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: aNYCguy

Intelligently disregarding them without a word. If I want to have an insane discussion based on dippy tv-shows and half-processed news, I have four sons under 10 who are brilliant at it.

(American-born, Catholic, married, 45 years old, expecting my 10th child early next year.)


14 posted on 08/28/2011 2:56:21 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("True education is not an adjustment to the world, but a defense against the world.")
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To: GeronL
Okay, in Tokyo and Nagano kiddie porn is legal to possess.

Okay, possession, not creation, sale, distribution, or purchase. I think it's a little misleading to just call it legal without qualification, but hey.
15 posted on 08/28/2011 2:59:11 PM PDT by aNYCguy
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To: MinorityRepublican

Let’s see - $50,000 in direct debt, another $200,000 in unfunded debt, 10% unemployment, no GDP growth, weakening world standing, a currency that’s crashing, an ever-expanding Federal Government... Yeah, great time to bring a few kids into the world!


16 posted on 08/28/2011 3:01:08 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: aNYCguy

That makes such a huge difference to those exploited children I am sure.


17 posted on 08/28/2011 3:02:37 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Abortion.


18 posted on 08/28/2011 3:10:24 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: ken21

I believe it has a lot to do with it.

A good younger friend of mine just had one. She still chose to believe the lie that the “doctor” told her: “it’s not really a baby just yet, just a clump of cells. Just take this pill and that will take care of it.”

Young women are still being told these lies, and they still choose to believe them.


19 posted on 08/28/2011 3:14:43 PM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: aNYCguy

So why don’t you inform all of us what the true demographic situation is here in the US, breaking down the birthrate for white, Hispanics, and blacks? Further, compare that to the demographic situation in both Europe, China, and Russia. Please use Europe as a cultural example of where America may be headed based upon demographic changes.

Some of us intelligent freepers are able to read between hastily worded lines and understand what the poster is trying to communicate.

Glancing at your previous posts on this thread, I see that you like to insult and tear down those freepers you think you are more intelligent than, sort of like those liberals who only know how to tear down a great nation but who have no idea how to build one. They’re happy, though, because they feel superior.


20 posted on 08/28/2011 3:18:20 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: GeronL
That makes such a huge difference to those exploited children I am sure.

When I corrected your misleading-to-the-point-of-incorrect statement about Japanese law, I wasn't under the impression that abused children would care either way. So it appears my work is done here.
21 posted on 08/28/2011 3:19:54 PM PDT by aNYCguy
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To: aNYCguy

abused children don’t care either way?

Raped Kids Trading Cards!! Get’em here while they last!

“Mommy, why are those people looking at me like that?”


22 posted on 08/28/2011 3:21:21 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Medical cost and the cost of having babies and raising kids are through the roof...for everyone except illegal aliens.


23 posted on 08/28/2011 3:25:59 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: MinorityRepublican

HUMM, just think there would be millions of taxpayers in their 20’s 30’s and 40’s to help save the economy.

but the pro aborts have killed off the educated workforce for below minimum wage uneducated illegals. don’t ya just love Commie/Fascist/Socialist/Progressive/ Dums. /s


24 posted on 08/28/2011 3:25:59 PM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Correct me if I am wrong, but as I understand it, blacks, latins, arabs, asians, and immigrants born elsewhere are having lots and lots of kids in America. The birth rate among those groups is so high that the populations of those groups are increasing substantially. These groups will soon be the new voting majority.


25 posted on 08/28/2011 3:27:13 PM PDT by CGalen
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe; FlingWingFlyer
So why don’t you inform all of us what the true demographic situation is here in the US

Sure, let's do that. In 2008, 75% of births were to women in the age group of 20-34, making it highly unlikely that "single moms still in high school" are one of only two groups significantly giving birth, as FlingWingFlyer claimed, Wouldn't you agree? Even women 34+ accounted for 14% of births, while women under 20 accounted for only 10%.

As for the "illegal aliens" claim as the only other significantly birthing group, in 2008 53% of births were to whites. Do you think it's likely that, say, 90% of those births were to illegal white immigrants? Because that's what you have to believe to believe FlingWingFlyer: That the United States is absolutely overwhelmed with white illegal immigrants flooding our cities with babies. Say, from Poland? The Czech Republic? Is this the untold illegal immigration story?

It took me less than five minutes to find this info from Pew. Link : http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1586/changing-demographic-characteristics-american-mothers

Further, compare that to the demographic situation in both Europe, China, and Russia. Please use Europe as a cultural example of where America may be headed based upon demographic changes.

Sorry, not interested. I'm occasionally motivated to debunk one absurd and unsourced claim of fact, but I'm not gung-ho to research and write a book here.
26 posted on 08/28/2011 3:31:11 PM PDT by aNYCguy
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To: aNYCguy

You see a subway, I see a coyote. Since I do not trust the state run “media” and their government statistics, I have to believe what I observe happening around me. Sorry I upset you.


27 posted on 08/28/2011 3:37:26 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (If the Tea Party was a bunch of Islamofascist "rebels", would the state run "media" like us too?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Since I do not trust the state run “media” and their government statistics

Ha ha! Yes, there's definitely a conspiracy at work here, just as there is in any situation where the evidence demonstrates that you're wrong. Bless you for being brave enough to persist in your beliefs despite all evidence pointing to the contrary.


28 posted on 08/28/2011 3:45:47 PM PDT by aNYCguy
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To: FlingWingFlyer

The stats don’t agree with you, unfortunately. Black people have a higher rather than a lower abortion rate. The reverse is true for hispanic folks.


29 posted on 08/28/2011 3:45:51 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: cripplecreek
I think our increasingly socialist society has something to do with it. The producers can’t afford to have kids.

That has to be a factor.

Earnings that would go to caring and supporting your own children are confiscated by the government and redirected to the care and support of the children of non-producers.


30 posted on 08/28/2011 3:47:50 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Muslims who advocate, support, or carry out Jihad give the other 1% a bad name)
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To: BenKenobi

I don’t remember saying anything about Blacks or Hispanics but okay.


31 posted on 08/28/2011 3:51:08 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (If the Tea Party was a bunch of Islamofascist "rebels", would the state run "media" like us too?)
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To: MinorityRepublican

People should stop aborting their babies. It’s a curse. What happens when woman abort their babies? They turn into men and the men turn into wimps. Just not the way God planned it, he said to go forth and multiply. When you go against what God says, there are consequences. Look around and see how many woman don’t look like woman. It’s because of abortion. The consequences of abortion are endless, woman who act and seem like men are just the beginning.


32 posted on 08/28/2011 3:58:27 PM PDT by rodeo-mamma (The ends don't justify the means.)
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To: microgood

And that is exactly why the elite oppose getting tough on illegal immigration.


33 posted on 08/28/2011 3:59:03 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Tax-chick
Sounds like my wife's family. She is the 12th of 15. In her family, when you graduated from St. Vincent's (8th grade), you got to sit at the adult table.
34 posted on 08/28/2011 4:08:55 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: MinorityRepublican
I can fully understand people opting out of parenthood during this period of history. The federal government has become increasingly hostile toward traditional family, allowing forces into the culture that literally are ripping the fabric of our nation in two.

After having my son (32 years ago) and watching the culture at that time and seeing the inevitable decline into further debachary, (which has devolved into a nightmare) I made the very conscious decision not to have anymore. I always wanted a huge family (The Waltons is my favorite family TV show ever) but I could not bring myself to have more. My husband threw a fit but...he was a no-good and a lousy supporter.

These are only my reasons but I suspect, that there are many that are looking around and saying to themselves 'no' to large families for pragmatic reasons.

Face it, there is nothing good in this world to offer a human being. Public education is nothing more than indoctrination towards perversion. You have to continually sweat whether or not someone is going to molest your child, not to mention keeping a family in tact with all the temptations loosed in our fallen culture.

35 posted on 08/28/2011 4:21:01 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman ("And Resist! We MUCH!": The brilliant Al Sharpton)
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To: cumbo78

Ditto. And how about working moms?


36 posted on 08/28/2011 4:24:09 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: microgood
That’s OK, the government will just import more people from 3rd world countries to make up for it. if the italics don't work I apologize in advance. I think what you meant to say was they'll import more muslims to make up for it?
37 posted on 08/28/2011 4:24:29 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Tax-chick

congratulations! I have three kids, you need a birthrate of 2.11 to sustain a culture, sounds like we’re doing our part!


38 posted on 08/28/2011 4:26:25 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: CGalen

you are indeed correct. Same situation in Canada, by the way, the average muslim birthrate is 11. That should scare all of us.


39 posted on 08/28/2011 4:29:24 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

White America’s collapsing birth rate is changing the face of the country

“Over the past decade America’s population has grown by 9.7%, to 309m. Minorities accounted for 92% of that growth. The ranks of Hispanics swelled by 43%, to 51m. The Asian population grew at the same rate, to 15m. Blacks increased in number by 11%, to 38m. All minority groups put together jumped by 29%, to 112m. Minorities now form the majority in America’s two most-populous states, California and Texas, as well as in Hawaii, New Mexico and Washington, DC. They account for the majority of children in six more: Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Maryland, Mississippi and Nevada.”

http://www.thenationalpolicyinstitute.org/2011/05/20/minority-report-white-america%E2%80%99s-collapsing-birth-rate-is-changing-the-face-of-the-country/


40 posted on 08/28/2011 4:36:43 PM PDT by CGalen
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To: MinorityRepublican
Actually, what I get out of this is that the numbers of children spike after major wars and decline during long periods of peace. I think it's pretty obvious why this is.

That said, the main reason why people decide to have a lot of kids is that they come to realize that life is beautiful, worth living, and an amazing gift of God.
41 posted on 08/28/2011 4:37:14 PM PDT by Antoninus (Nothing that offends God can possibly be a legitimate right.)
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To: bwc2221

The largest family in our local homeschooling group has 13 children, but they could have more. She’s only a couple of years older than I am.

We have only one table, and the 2-year-old in the booster seat with tray. With only 8 children at home now (oldest is in the Coast Guard) it’s crowded but workable, if people keep their elbows in and their feet to themselves.


42 posted on 08/28/2011 4:44:27 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("True education is not an adjustment to the world, but a defense against the world.")
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To: MinorityRepublican

Any tax payer that has only two kids in their household is paying for three more that they dont even know the name of.We cant afford any more.


43 posted on 08/28/2011 4:45:08 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Bulwyf

Ah, three was the hardest ... or maybe it was just *my* third one ;-).


44 posted on 08/28/2011 4:45:25 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("True education is not an adjustment to the world, but a defense against the world.")
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To: Antoninus
I think it's pretty obvious why this is.

Could you explain, briefly? The zombies got my brains.

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Vegetarian zombie: GRAAAAAAINS!
Plumber zombie: DRAAAAAAAINS!
Dentist zombie: PAAAAAAINS!

45 posted on 08/28/2011 4:52:39 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("True education is not an adjustment to the world, but a defense against the world.")
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To: MinorityRepublican

quote “From buying car seats and strollers to paying for childcare and schooling, a middle-income family could spend an average of $226,920 to raise a child born in 2010 “

lol

what a total lie.

why do they lie about this? they have been pushing this lie my whole life. I have four kids FOUR and they cost me so little I hardly even know they are there.

I may spend an extra grand or two total per year for all of them combined. So, they are only off by about $800,000 or so in their estimate of what it costs to have kids.

Between hand-me-downs and gifts for birthdays and christmas, I hardly ever have to buy them anything but a little extra food and some school clothes every now and then.


46 posted on 08/28/2011 5:04:53 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: Tax-chick
(...expecting my 10th child early next year.)

Ooooh! Congratulations!!

47 posted on 08/28/2011 5:06:37 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (To ACLU & its plaintiffs: Stop dragging the public into your personal struggle w/ God. -Mark Baisley)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

The key is that a family “could” spend all that money. They’re probably assuming the family buys a more expensive house each time they have a child, and that they all go to daycare from 6 weeks and then to private school.

As to what the family “must” spend ... well, they have to eat.


48 posted on 08/28/2011 5:09:15 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("True education is not an adjustment to the world, but a defense against the world.")
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To: Albion Wilde

Thank you. I’m seeing the specialist (”por las mujeres viejas,” the old women, I was just telling the church ladies) on Tuesday to have the in-depth ultrasound, and then I’ll tell my family. Right now only my husband, some FReepers, and an array of Spanish-speaking women know. The office ultrasound looked okay - size is right for the dates, and it has all its limbs.


49 posted on 08/28/2011 5:13:03 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("True education is not an adjustment to the world, but a defense against the world.")
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To: Tax-chick
45 years old, expecting my 10th child early next year.

Outstanding! You've obviously done more than your share of bringing new Americans into this world. I managed to produce six, myself. Well, with the help of their momma, of course ;-)

50 posted on 08/28/2011 5:14:43 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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