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The Plastic Sandwich Bag Flunks
new york times ^ | 10/26/11 | STEPHANIE CLIFFORD

Posted on 08/28/2011 5:27:23 PM PDT by mathprof

Many retailers and schools are advocating waste-free options for back-to-school shoppers this year, especially when it comes to lunch. School lists call for Tupperware instead of Ziplocs, neoprene lunch bags instead of brown paper ones, and aluminum water bottles, not the throwaway plastic versions.

Sales of environmentally friendly back-to-school products are up just about everywhere. At the Container Store, the increase is 30 percent over last year for some items, said Mona Williams, the company’s vice president of buying. “We have seen a huge resurgence,” she said.

The trend makes the schools happy (much less garbage). It makes the stores happy (higher back-to-school spending). It even makes the students happy (green feels good).

Who’s not happy? The parents (what to do when the Tupperware runs out?).

“Ziplocs are the biggest misstep,” said Julie Corbett, a mother in Oakland, Calif., whose two girls attend a school with an eco-friendly lunch policy. In school years past, she said, many a morning came unhinged when the girls were sent to school with disposable sandwich bags.

“That’s when the kids have meltdowns, because they don’t want to be shamed at school,” Ms. Corbett said. “It’s a big deal.”

Schools have been adopting environmentally friendly policies for ecological and budget reasons, and retailers have been rushing to fill the newfound demand with store-front promotions and aggressive marketing. Staples has rows of eco-friendly lunch containers, like an Extreme flap lunchbox case with a compartment for plastic food boxes, and a Yak Pak lunch tote that looks like a purse.

Many of the schools are pushing waste-free lunches, where everything must be either compostable or reusable, in an effort to reduce garbage and the cost of hauling it away.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bigoil; education; environmentalism; lunches; oil; parents; plastic; publicschools; schoollunches; schools; tupperware
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Glad that they are teaching kids something.

Obama needs a "Plastic Sandwich Bag" tsar. Hopefully this will be part of his next-great-jobs-speech.

1 posted on 08/28/2011 5:27:27 PM PDT by mathprof
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To: mathprof

so self esteem isn’t important when it comes to liberal causes


2 posted on 08/28/2011 5:30:09 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: mathprof

Yeah but the hot water soap and electric too clean that crap with, will quickly make those little bags look like they are free.


3 posted on 08/28/2011 5:30:28 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Carnival commie side show, started November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: mathprof

I pack the family sandwiches in sandwich bags and tupperware so they won’t get smushed.


4 posted on 08/28/2011 5:31:34 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: mathprof

How long till the mandate the same items?


5 posted on 08/28/2011 5:32:00 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: mathprof
Disposable bags tend to be reliably clean
and sterile when used to package lunch.
6 posted on 08/28/2011 5:33:01 PM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: mathprof

I remember when schools were about learning.

About individual thought. Curiosity.

Not beating kids into mental submission, to vapid political indoctrination.


7 posted on 08/28/2011 5:35:16 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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To: mathprof

Every year when my friends are buying their school lists and clothes for the kids, I thank God I homeschool since I couldn’t afford to buy tissues and tupperware and Abercrombie to send them back to school.


8 posted on 08/28/2011 5:35:26 PM PDT by proudtobeanamerican1 (A house divided against itself cannot stand.” Abraham Lincoln)
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To: netmilsmom

I used to pack ‘em in C4, to keep people from smushing them...

;^)


9 posted on 08/28/2011 5:35:38 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I like both Perry and Palin, and will vote for whichever of them wins.)
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To: mathprof

and Aluminum can be a problem with juices once the anodizing is scratched.


10 posted on 08/28/2011 5:36:53 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Carnival commie side show, started November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

lol!


11 posted on 08/28/2011 5:37:00 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: mathprof

What about sanitation? I don’t think that plastic always washes so clean — especially when it has had something spoil in it. I think this is a foolish rule. Probably the best thing would be for all the kids to be home-schooled and to eat in their own kitchens, on their own china, using their own silverware which gets washed and stored in their own cupboards.


12 posted on 08/28/2011 5:37:22 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: mathprof

“That’s when the kids have meltdowns, because they don’t want to be shamed at school,” Ms. Corbett said. “It’s a big deal.”

Nothing like adult liberals indoctrinating all the kids into neurotic little brain washed mental cases.


13 posted on 08/28/2011 5:39:17 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (Time to move forward not to the center.)
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To: mathprof

Sorry, kids. I’m out of tupperware.

Slip this PB&J in your shirt pocket and run along to school, now.


14 posted on 08/28/2011 5:40:10 PM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: Cheetahcat

Just hand the kid a sandwich and have them tuck it under their arm pit or down their pants until lunch. ;-)


15 posted on 08/28/2011 5:40:17 PM PDT by Average Al
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To: mathprof
Didn't read the article as well as I should have before posting. It is a NYT article that's just basically an advertisement for the subject of the article:

Still, Ms. Corbett said the environmental message had reached her. After she saw how much waste she could reduce by changing her lunch packaging routine, she started an eco-friendly packaging company, Ecologic. “It created this very big awareness in our family,” Ms. Corbett said.

16 posted on 08/28/2011 5:40:17 PM PDT by mathprof
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“Ziplocs are the biggest misstep,” said Julie Corbett, a mother in Oakland, Calif., whose two girls attend a school with an eco-friendly lunch policy. In school years past, she said, many a morning came unhinged when the girls were sent to school with disposable sandwich bags.

Yes, just a concerned mother from Oakland who loves Gaia and stuff.

"Working mom Julie Corbett was shocked by the amount of plastic jugs and cartons her family produced on a regular basis, and decided to do something about it.

Inspired by the Canadian milk pouch - a clear lightweight pouch placed in a reusable carafe – Julie decided to create a bottle that used a lot less plastic to provide a lot more sustainability.

Her eureka moment came in 2007 when she opened the box for her new iphone, and it was nestled on a smooth, yet sturdy molded fiber tray. Having found her ideal material, Julie imagined a bottle her children would love to use and could easily hold and pour. She designed a bottle that combines a sturdy outer molded fiber shell made from cardboard boxes and old newspapers with a thin inner plastic pouch and re-sealable cap.

With a bottle prototype in-hand, she showed her children how to pop open the shell, pull out the pouch, and place the separate pieces into the recycling bin. She knew she was on to something when they immediately wanted to do it again! She patented her technology and in May 2008, Ecologic Brands was born.

Today, Julie and the Ecologic team are committed to giving consumers and brands better choices and replacing shelf after shelf of rigid plastic headed for landfill with a new kind of bottle that has better things to do.

Julie Corbett Ecologicbrands owner

17 posted on 08/28/2011 5:40:52 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: headstamp 2

I wonder why they think they can’t carry home a zip-lock bag?


18 posted on 08/28/2011 5:41:47 PM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: mathprof
The trend makes the schools happy

Yes, the eco-nuts and government mandates and stuff had nothing to do with it, it was just the free market.

19 posted on 08/28/2011 5:42:24 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: mathprof
“That’s when the kids have meltdowns, because they don’t want to be shamed at school,” Ms. Corbett said. “It’s a big deal.”

Maybe we can throw in some Soviet-style show trials, to give the kiddies practice confessing to Crimes Against the EcoState.

20 posted on 08/28/2011 5:42:29 PM PDT by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: clearcarbon

clearcarbon: “Disposable bags tend to be reliably clean
and sterile when used to package lunch.”

True, but stop trying to make sense. We’re trying to save the planet here! Ignore the extra energy and water used to clean reusables and the increased risk of bacterial contamination. This is about feelings, not results.


21 posted on 08/28/2011 5:42:35 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Bad is easy. Anyone can do bad. Good, OTOH, is work. It takes discipline.)
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To: Madame Dufarge

I agree. Your post came just after I realized the same thing :)

NYT giving free advertisement in disguise of an article.


22 posted on 08/28/2011 5:43:12 PM PDT by mathprof
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To: mathprof

A side note to the indoctrination issues. Has anyone noticed the World Wildlife Fund has shifted their TV commercials away from polar bears to tigers?


23 posted on 08/28/2011 5:43:27 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Disgusted with the establishment GOP and their enablers.)
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To: mathprof
I began taking a lunch a couple of months ago. (The cafeteria is having a fit. I was listed as a separate profit center.)

I use ziploc bags. I take a couple of diet Mt Dews in the plastic bottle. I pack it all in a plastic grocery bag.

What I take for lunch is much healthier (and immensely cheaper) than I can get at the company store, I can say.

Some colleagues are rabid recyclers, but I was born with a mean, fighting face, so they leave me alone.

24 posted on 08/28/2011 5:43:56 PM PDT by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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To: mathprof

They don’t want you sending your kid with lunch...it shames kids who’s parents can’t be bothered.


25 posted on 08/28/2011 5:45:02 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: mathprof
The Nazi Green Movement marches on.
26 posted on 08/28/2011 5:45:02 PM PDT by PA Engineer (SP/XX12: Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: Madame Dufarge

she sells baby bottles for older kids?


27 posted on 08/28/2011 5:45:21 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: mathprof

““That’s when the kids have meltdowns, because they don’t want to be shamed at school,” “

-

Seems like a learning opportunity.

Parents can teach kids the term “eco-weenie”, the valuable skill of appearing to care while really believing the opposite (a skill they’ll sometimes need later in life, perhaps at work) and most valuable lesson of all - the importance of not caring what eco-weenies say or think.

That would be a very useful lesson. Actually.

No need to turn them into little revolutionaries - but one could begin to start them out with their own independent thought processes.


28 posted on 08/28/2011 5:45:29 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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To: Rebelbase
A side note to the indoctrination issues. Has anyone noticed the World Wildlife Fund has shifted their TV commercials away from polar bears to tigers?

Haven't seen those commercials. Are the tigers now shown floating away on small pieces of ice?

29 posted on 08/28/2011 5:45:45 PM PDT by mathprof
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To: mathprof

I just weighed some of my sandwich bags, and an airtight plastic sandwich container. The container weighs as much as 60 disposable sandwich bags.

What are the odds that an elementary-school student will remember to bring a sandwich container back home, over 60 times?


30 posted on 08/28/2011 5:46:11 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Fitzy_888

The schools here charge 40 cents for lunch for most kids, discount lunch, they didn’t even make us fill out paperwork or anything this year. But somehow no fat free chocolate milk in elementary??

Insane.


31 posted on 08/28/2011 5:47:16 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Rebelbase
Has anyone noticed the World Wildlife Fund has shifted their TV commercials away from polar bears to tigers?

I guess they finally figured out that tigers kill and eat more people than polar bears.

32 posted on 08/28/2011 5:47:31 PM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: mathprof

HA! No it’s the same sob story about them being killed off, only 3500 of them left world wide, give money to help, etc.


33 posted on 08/28/2011 5:47:38 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Disgusted with the establishment GOP and their enablers.)
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A side note to the indoctrination issues. Has anyone noticed the World Wildlife Fund has shifted their TV commercials away from polar bears to tigers?

I thought it was the endangered and rare Desrt Lions


34 posted on 08/28/2011 5:47:54 PM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: Madame Dufarge
I really like their motivational marketing materials:

Who doesn't need a "Pat on the Back"?

35 posted on 08/28/2011 5:47:58 PM PDT by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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To: Nailbiter

desrt = desert


36 posted on 08/28/2011 5:49:46 PM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: mathprof

Well, at least they can’t blame my generation for all this hub bub. My dad built an entire room onto our house just to store my mom’s Tupperware. Finally he banned her from going to Tupperware parties. Quite frankly, I was glad to see the invention of the ZIP lock bags. One less thing to fall out of the cupboard. Just in case they try to ban them I have at least a two years supply right next to my stash of lightbulbs!


37 posted on 08/28/2011 5:53:32 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

But it takes heat AND pressure to detonate C4...


38 posted on 08/28/2011 5:53:50 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: mathprof

My kids have enough to worry about carrying with their loaded backpacks.

Brown bags and aluminum foil are great, recyclable, options. Hmmm...isn’t that what we used back in the bad old, unenlightened, days?


39 posted on 08/28/2011 5:53:55 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Average Al
"Just hand the kid a sandwich and have them tuck it under their arm pit or down their pants until lunch. ;-)"

We had wax paper over our sandwiches in brown bags with what ever else would fit in there. There was NO Kenyan Turd back then screwing up the place.

40 posted on 08/28/2011 5:54:14 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Carnival commie side show, started November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: mathprof

When my kids pack a lunch, its generally a sandwich in a ziploc - nobody gives them any pipe about it.

But - if anybody did, I’m pretty sure my kids are self-assured enough not to care. Still, if any ecothugs were bothering them, just to have some fun, I’d slip a dollar inside each bag. You like apples? - How about them apples.


41 posted on 08/28/2011 5:54:36 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: CitizenUSA
"We’re trying to save the planet here! Ignore the extra energy and water used to clean reusables and the increased risk of bacterial contamination. This is about feelings, not results."

It's tough to be a lib. If abortion doesn't pick you off early
on, political correctness is bound to get you in the end.
42 posted on 08/28/2011 5:55:05 PM PDT by clearcarbon
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“The trend makes the schools happy (much less garbage).”

So,,,, make the idiot kids in detention separate the garbage, and recycle.

“In school years past, she said, many a morning came unhinged when the girls were sent to school with disposable sandwich bags.

“That’s when the kids have meltdowns, because they don’t want to be shamed at school,” Ms. Corbett said. “It’s a big deal.”

Sheesh! I’d tell that mom to home school, but she’s too freakin’ stoopid!


43 posted on 08/28/2011 5:55:44 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Future Snake Eater

Then it’s a good thing the Marines outlawed farting in Afghanistan, isn’t it??


44 posted on 08/28/2011 5:56:06 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I like both Perry and Palin, and will vote for whichever of them wins.)
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To: mathprof

What I love are the throw-away tupperware. You can look environmentally friendly, and then chuck the thing in the garbage.

Anyway, haven’t they heard that sanwdich bags are recyclable AND reusable? Although I actually use tupperware for my sandwich, because I admit I just don’t like throwing stuff away.


45 posted on 08/28/2011 5:56:16 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
these people are all about superficial petty ideas....

so the kids can't use plastic zip lock bags for sandwiches, but the teachers and administrators will go thru reams of paper sending out notices,internal memos, posters,etc....and it'll all be thrown in the garbage...

pencils and chalk is what used to be used...with erasers....and kids who brought their lunches in brown paper sacks were usually the poorer kids...like me...and our moms wanted us to fold up the paper bag and bring it home each day...and I happen to know a lot of kids did that.

they throw everything out at schools....there is no reusing large poster board, or saving half used notebooks...

there still has been nothing done about the obscene text book industry....how many trees that does that require so the textbook people can make huge profits every time the schools change the requirements, which is continuous.......

these idiots are all for kids being bused everywhere, wasting gas picking up the little darlings from a 1/2 mile away or so, yet they'll forbid plastic little bags.........insanity....

46 posted on 08/28/2011 5:57:50 PM PDT by cherry
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To: mathprof

“Obama needs a “Plastic Sandwich Bag” tsar.”

No! He needs a plastic bag over his head, with a bunch of twisty ties sealing it shut!


47 posted on 08/28/2011 5:57:55 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Cheetahcat
"We had wax paper over our sandwiches in brown bags with what ever else would fit in there."

Worked for me too. I thought kids weren't allowed to bring lunches from home anymore. Particularly since most of the kids get free breakfast and lunch now anyway.

48 posted on 08/28/2011 6:00:07 PM PDT by Average Al
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To: mathprof
Many of the schools are pushing waste-free lunches, where everything must be either compostable or reusable, in an effort to reduce garbage and the cost of hauling it away.

Most of what they teach now is compostable, though scarcely reusable.
49 posted on 08/28/2011 6:00:50 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Cyber Liberty

Since they’re apparently issued C4 underwear...yes. Yes, it is.


50 posted on 08/28/2011 6:04:25 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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