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The Nationís Cruelest Immigration Law
The New York Times ^ | August 28, 2011 | The New York Times/Editorial

Posted on 08/28/2011 5:56:29 PM PDT by moonshinner_09

The Alabama Legislature opened its session on March 1 on a note of humility and compassion. In the Senate, a Christian pastor asked God to grant members “wisdom and discernment” to do what is right. “Not what’s right in their own eyes,” he said, “but what’s right according to your word.” Soon after, both houses passed, and the governor signed, the country’s cruelest, most unforgiving immigration law. The law, which takes effect Sept. 1, is so inhumane that four Alabama church leaders — an Episcopal bishop, a Methodist bishop and a Roman Catholic archbishop and bishop — have sued to block it, saying it criminalizes acts of Christian compassion. It is a sweeping attempt to terrorize undocumented immigrants in every aspect of their lives, and to make potential criminals of anyone who may work or live with them or show them kindness.

It effectively makes it a crime to be an undocumented immigrant in Alabama, by criminalizing working, renting a home and failing to comply with federal registration laws that are largely obsolete. It nullifies any contracts when one party is an undocumented immigrant. It requires the police to check the papers of people they suspect to be here illegally.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: al; aliens; criminalaliens; dnctalkingpoints; immigrantlist; immigration; nytimes4illegals
So is the church saying they have no problem with illegals who work using fake or stolen documents ? If an illegal steals my ID, is the church saying show compassion or show them kindness and allow them to destroy my credit and life ?
1 posted on 08/28/2011 5:56:31 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09
Those four I suppose. I think this business of claiming it's punishment to return Mexicans to Mexico is racist.

Mexico is one of the better countries to be in this world.

2 posted on 08/28/2011 5:59:09 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: moonshinner_09
Buying influence with drug money is a way of life in our present. The church is no less susceptible, as money spent buy influence.
3 posted on 08/28/2011 6:00:12 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: All
It effectively makes it a crime to be an undocumented immigrant in Alabama,

Change one word and it all makes sense...

It effectively makes it a crime to be an illegal immigrant in Alabama,

As someone said “words mean things”...:^)

4 posted on 08/28/2011 6:02:22 PM PDT by az_gila
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To: moonshinner_09

notice the left makes no distinction between legal and illegal immigrant and liberaltarians make none between citizens and foreigners.


5 posted on 08/28/2011 6:04:18 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: moonshinner_09

I fully support illegals stealing from churches that support illegals.


6 posted on 08/28/2011 6:05:19 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Public employee unions are the barbarian hordes of our time.)
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To: moonshinner_09
"So is the church saying they have no problem with illegals who work using fake or stolen documents ?"

Sadly many (Not all) Churches (or more precisely Church Leaders) are akin to Political Parties when consideration of recruitment comes up. They will look the other way on illegalities as long as the parishioners pony up in the collection plate and keep bearing children to refresh their ranks.

7 posted on 08/28/2011 6:05:34 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: moonshinner_09

Roll Tide!!!


8 posted on 08/28/2011 6:05:42 PM PDT by WildSnail (The US government now has more control over the people than the old Soviet Union ever dreamed of)
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To: moonshinner_09
"It effectively makes it a crime to be an undocumented immigrant in Alabama."

First, it is a lie to call them "undocumented" as most have forged documents of many kinds.
Second, being an immigrant or extended-vacationer who is here illegally is, by definition and by action, A CRIME.

9 posted on 08/28/2011 6:06:48 PM PDT by DesertSapper (God, Family, Country . . . . . . . . . . and dead terrorists!!!)
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To: moonshinner_09

“...the country’s cruelest, most unforgiving immigration law.”

Says who? Liberal asshats like the NYT Editorial Staff? Sounds like the Alabama’s state gov’t is just ensuring the laws already on the books are going to be enforced because the Feds ain’t doing their job.

“The law is so inhumane that four Alabama church leaders — an Episcopal bishop, a Methodist bishop and a Roman Catholic archbishop and bishop — have sued to block it, saying it criminalizes acts of Christian compassion.”

So, let me get this straight:
According to most stories the NYT publishes, Christians are bad, ignorant, racist people and should be banned from praying in public or contributing to any political debate, except when it is in line with the NYT Editorial Staff’s opinions.

(Snort, Spit) The NYT can kiss why my white, Christian butt. And they can kiss my wife’s brown, Mexican butt, too. Opinions are like butt holes, everybody has one. Unfortunately for the NYT Ed Staff, their opinion is worth less than toilet paper (as is their newspaper).


10 posted on 08/28/2011 6:12:22 PM PDT by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: moonshinner_09

John 10:1 “Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber.


11 posted on 08/28/2011 6:12:34 PM PDT by ne1410s (Tolerate my intolerance or you too are intolerant!)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Illegal immigrants are using churches, courts, or politcal figures to get what they want. The churches should encourage them to do the right thing if they were following scripture.


12 posted on 08/28/2011 6:23:48 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

I’ll tell them what’s “cruel.” The beatings, rapes, robberies, murders, drunk driving, child abuse, animal abuse, identity thefts, job-stealing, neighborhood-ruining, emergency room-ruining, disease-spreading, school-wrecking, and all the other things illegals do to Americans! Do they give a @#$@! about that?!


13 posted on 08/28/2011 6:25:31 PM PDT by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: muawiyah
Mexico is one of the better countries to be in this world.

Yes just ask any Mexican. It is the greatest of countries. They don't want to live there..but that is a "technical issue". As Carlos Mencia said: "it's easy to get a white European in this country to say Europe sucks...but you can never get a Mexican to say Mexico sucks"...LOL!

14 posted on 08/28/2011 6:28:15 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: moonshinner_09

What no barf alert? I’m nauseated. It’s a crime to be in the USA w/o docs? /sarc


15 posted on 08/28/2011 6:29:06 PM PDT by Brasky
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To: Niteflyr
I used to think the Mexicans were nuts who talked that way, but one day I took a good hard look at their economy vis a vis the third-world, and Mexico looks like a shining city on a hill with truth and justice behind it and streets of gold.

I've also found people from Africa, in general, can't readily tell the difference between a Mexican and an American ~ particularly not in movies.

Indians, Arabs and North Africans may be confused a bit about how much they resemble Mexicans but how differently they act. Lots of history there ~

At the same time there's little confusion on the part of Americans and Mexicans about who is who.

16 posted on 08/28/2011 6:37:51 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Mad Dawgg

There were many “progressive students” in the 1960s, like hillary rodam clinton who placed themselves in various areas of our government, churches, charitable organizations and education and over the years gained the “top seats”. We’re now seeing our short sightedness in not stopping them in the 1960s. We see a horrible example of our short sightedness in the EPA. We’re spending ourselves into a hole, begging for energy from other countries while sitting on the world’s largest energy supplies, thanks to the EPA and our gutless elected representatives.


17 posted on 08/28/2011 6:40:51 PM PDT by tillacum
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To: moonshinner_09

The only cruelty here is mercilessly leaving Americans exposed to the massive crime wave flowing up out of Central America.


18 posted on 08/28/2011 6:47:35 PM PDT by icanhasbailout (Draft Napolitano 2012)
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To: Ernie Kaputnik

I can see the argument for the illegals now. “OH goodness gracious, by sending these illegals back to their home lands, we’ll be splitting families apart” OH MY, HOW TERRIBLE!! Well how in God’s good name was this country, even Canada and Australia begun?????????????? A family member came to this continent and LEFT THEIR FAMILY/IES in the OLD COUNTRY. Many times whole church leaders brought their frock to this land and left part of the families in the “old country”. Many Mexican men come to this country to work and leave their families in Mexico, sometimes for a few years, some even began “american families”, with American Mexicans then they’d go back to their “old family”. Don’t tell me it’s creul to leave the family behind, it’s been done time after time. These polly annas walk around with their brains stored where the sun don’t shine. Give me a break...split families...phfffft!


19 posted on 08/28/2011 6:51:02 PM PDT by tillacum
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To: moonshinner_09

The law sounds like a good start to me.


20 posted on 08/28/2011 6:57:45 PM PDT by edge10 (Obama lied, babies died!)
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To: moonshinner_09

Are you talking about La Raza (?) and other mexican organizations? IF these mexican organizations are so worried about the plight of the mexicans, just why don’t they go back to their mother country and change the mexican government into a government by and for the people? Why? Because they don’t have the courage to face the mexican government and work to change the mexican corruption, that’s why. Mexicans in Mexico can demonstrate ONLY in front of the AMERICAN CONSULATE...NOT ON THE AVERAGE STREET IN MEXICO. How about that???? Another thing to think about, while discussing Mexico and Mexican illegal immigrants, here. I have not seen ONE Mexican of European extraction, here illegally. WHY? The Mexicans we are seeing are all of Mexican Indians blood or mixed European and Indian blood.
Evidently the Mexican government is trying to get rid of the Mexican Indians and for the most part the Indians are completely undeducated. Some have gone to school to the 6th grade, as high as the mexican government will pay for their education....if the families are aware of education.


21 posted on 08/28/2011 7:04:29 PM PDT by tillacum
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To: moonshinner_09

What’s cruel to Americans is coddling criminal aliens who go on to rape, murder, rob and drunk-drive.


22 posted on 08/28/2011 7:05:46 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Brasky

The truly oppressed group is undocumented property owners. They are constantly demonised by the right wing media with the label “thieves”, just because their title to the BMW they hotwired isn’t recognised by America’s reactionary legal system.


23 posted on 08/28/2011 7:10:38 PM PDT by skintight buffoonery
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To: muawiyah
Mexico is one of the better countries to be in this world.

Unemployment in Mexico is about half the USA's unemployment rate.

24 posted on 08/28/2011 7:12:03 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: muawiyah
Mexico is one of the better countries to be in this world.

If you are of European heritage.

25 posted on 08/28/2011 7:14:05 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: central_va
Unemployment in Mexico is about half the USA's unemployment rate.

That'll happen if all your unemployed have all scuttled across the border to another country.
26 posted on 08/28/2011 7:15:16 PM PDT by skintight buffoonery
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To: moonshinner_09
It effectively makes it a crime to be an undocumented immigrant in Alabama,

Goebbels could learn from these fascists at the NYT. I mean this is pure propaganda. When does CW II start? Not soon enough, we are truly a nation divided.

27 posted on 08/28/2011 7:15:53 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: WildSnail

GO DAWGS and WAR EAGLE. Should be an interesting game. I went to MSU and the man I am going with played for Auburn. Just hope it is cooler than it has been. : )


28 posted on 08/28/2011 7:21:52 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: moonshinner_09
Oh my! Of course we'll run right out and change this evil law! Alabamians base ALL our laws on what the NYT thinks... NOT !!!
29 posted on 08/28/2011 7:22:10 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: moonshinner_09
It effectively makes it a crime to be an undocumented immigrant in Alabama...

It makes it a crime to be a criminal! Oh, the humanity...

30 posted on 08/28/2011 7:22:31 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too... @Onelifetogive)
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To: moonshinner_09

31 posted on 08/28/2011 7:24:39 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: dfwgator
Doesn't matter what heritage ~ most of the countries on Earth are third-world hell-holes where life is nasty, brutish and short.

If you're talking about your typical Mexican's bad attitude toward anyone who's not a Mexican, that's a different topic.

We have a bunch of Mexicans. They need to go back to Mexico. That's not at all inhumane, and certainly far from terrible.

32 posted on 08/28/2011 7:31:11 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: All; moonshinner_09
The style of writing is beyond the pale. This is not New York Times editorial board worthy. It's not even high school newspaper worthy. It's the sort of alarmist screed you'd expect from a radical activist's blog.

It effectively makes it a crime to be an undocumented immigrant in Alabama...

You've been listening to the vile, despicable Debbie Wasserman-Shultz too much.

33 posted on 08/28/2011 8:27:55 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: skintight buffoonery

>>>The truly oppressed group is undocumented property owners. They are constantly demonised by the right wing media with the label “thieves”, just because

The truly oppressed group is undocumented metal recyclers. They are constantly demonised by the right wing media with the label “thieves”, just because they recycle the air conditioners, electricity lines, street lamp poles that Americans refuse to do.


34 posted on 08/28/2011 8:45:28 PM PDT by Hop A Long Cassidy
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To: moonshinner_09

This is just one of the reasons I hate living in NY, because the top liberal rag in the nation is based here.


35 posted on 08/28/2011 8:57:30 PM PDT by wastedyears (Of course you realize, this means war.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Does the NY Times have a toilet paper edition? No one here in Alabama (except those of us in the outlaw blogosphere) read that rag.


36 posted on 08/28/2011 8:57:55 PM PDT by WilliamHouston
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To: WilliamHouston

This is why Alabama seceded from the Union ... having to put up with assholes and liars like this and federal tyranny.


37 posted on 08/28/2011 9:01:10 PM PDT by WilliamHouston
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To: ne1410s

I’m tired of the progressive churches blurring the line.
Why the hell do they exist, proclaiming That God has standards to enter Heaven, yet ignore America’s standards to enter the US.


38 posted on 08/28/2011 9:24:05 PM PDT by bigmak007 (They who can't control their own passions, want to passionately control others.)
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To: moonshinner_09
an Episcopal bishop, a Methodist bishop and a Roman Catholic archbishop and bishop — have sued to block it, saying it criminalizes acts of Christian compassion.
You put ALL of the Alabama Episcopals, Methodist and Catholics in the end zone of Jordan Hare Stadium ...now if the Alabama Baptist have a problem with this, then you got a problem.
39 posted on 08/28/2011 9:51:32 PM PDT by reflecting
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To: moonshinner_09
an Episcopal bishop, a Methodist bishop and a Roman Catholic archbishop and bishop — have sued to block it, saying it criminalizes acts of Christian compassion.
You put ALL of the Alabama Episcopals, Methodist and Catholics in the end zone of Jordan Hare Stadium ...now if the Alabama Baptist have a problem with this, then you got a problem.
40 posted on 08/28/2011 9:51:36 PM PDT by reflecting
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To: muawiyah
I think this business of claiming it's punishment to return Mexicans to Mexico is racist.

Absolutely. Mexico has 5.6% unemployment. That's down .1% from a year ago. America should be so lucky. They have a "social safety net" too.

It's a beautiful place that I've traveled far and wide before and would visit again under the right circumstances. I've even volunteered for a Mexican orphanage.

It has its downsides, like any country. Chiefly, these days, it's pockets of cartel violence near the border.

These writers act as if the return of its citizens to Mexico is like a return to a genocidal Sudan or Pol Pot's Cambodia or turning away Jewish refugees feeling from Nazi Germany.

It's absolute nonsense.

41 posted on 08/28/2011 9:53:42 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: Brasky

More like a “puke with chunks” alert!


42 posted on 08/29/2011 11:57:16 AM PDT by HenpeckedCon (What pi$$es me off the most is that POS commie will get a State Funeral!)
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To: bigmak007
proclaiming That God has standards to enter Heaven

Nah, the progressive churches think you can pick and choose those, too.

43 posted on 08/29/2011 12:13:42 PM PDT by tnlibertarian (Don't mend SS, end it.)
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To: moonshinner_09
The churches do not speak for me.
Since these idiot parasites have begun "talking for me" I refuse membership in any organized church.

When they start paying taxes like everyone else, then they can participate in political debate that costs millions of working taxpayers billions$.

44 posted on 08/30/2011 3:59:48 PM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: moonshinner_09

If those bishops gave up their exalted positions and went to a Third World Country and worked directly with the sick and poor-———— then I’d listen to them talk about Christian compassion.


45 posted on 08/30/2011 4:05:32 PM PDT by Mears
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