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The American working man slowly fades away
MSNBC ^ | Mike Dorning

Posted on 08/28/2011 11:15:43 PM PDT by Borough Park

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1 posted on 08/28/2011 11:15:48 PM PDT by Borough Park
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To: Borough Park

The boomers have destroyed (in my lifetime) the family, marriage, sex, objectivity, morality, piety, a sense of shame, privacy, community, personal responsibility and the economy. Is there anything left the eternal adolescents wont destroy?


2 posted on 08/28/2011 11:37:09 PM PDT by ffusco (The President will return this country to what it once was...An arctic wasteland covered in ice.)
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To: Borough Park

We need a new name for the first Monday in September ....


3 posted on 08/28/2011 11:41:28 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Borough Park

Well, we’re certainly trying hard enough to export our good jobs with one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world and a serious disregard among many for a good education.


4 posted on 08/28/2011 11:47:38 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name.)
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To: ffusco

This is a one depressing article.


5 posted on 08/28/2011 11:48:39 PM PDT by Texan
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To: Texan

As a former Texan, I agree.


6 posted on 08/28/2011 11:52:09 PM PDT by ffusco (The President will return this country to what it once was...An arctic wasteland covered in ice.)
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To: cynwoody
We need a new name for the first Monday in September ....

Well, they were going to call it Jerry Lewis Day but even Jerry Lewis got laid off from doing the telethon after doing it for decades.

Obama really IS making history.

7 posted on 08/29/2011 12:05:44 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: Borough Park

That’s why our next president needs to focus on growth with “black jobs”. We need to dismantle the EPA and start exploiting our natural resources: oil, natural gas, coal, gold, rare earth metals etc. Those are the real high paying jobs—not 11.00 an hour putting windmills together in the middle oF nowhere.


8 posted on 08/29/2011 12:06:55 AM PDT by Conservative Vet
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To: Conservative Vet
Uncle Sam Scream-1sm
 Uncle Barry
9 posted on 08/29/2011 12:09:24 AM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: Borough Park

Is this one of the reasons modern men are reluctant to get married?


10 posted on 08/29/2011 12:17:42 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: Borough Park
Where is the Congressional Working Man's caucus - wait, no all we have is the Congressional Black Caucus - the one which sells out American blacks by promoting antiquated policies which might have had their place a few decades ago, but are a cancer on modern black society. And the Congressional Hispanic Caucus - which sells out US workers of all sorts by insisting on rights for illegal aliens. Hold the presses; call Congress back in. Given the bleak prospects for American men, the moment cries out for comprehensive immigration reform - i.e. amnesty for the world's unskilled laborers to come to America and demand legalization. We already have administrative amnesty through Obama's focus on NOT deporting people whose only violation is to overstay their visas. Why not formalize it by granting legal status, in-state tuition and well, why stop there, the right to vote in federal elections for illegal aliens. .
11 posted on 08/29/2011 12:26:48 AM PDT by srajan
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To: Texan

MSNBC is just reflecting the depression in the north...UNION men are going the way of the Dodo...and they’re trying to act like it’s a national phenom. It’s really not. At the same time the unions are dying and the liberals are so depressed, people are flocking to the most conservative states in the union, and finding work — AZ, NV, TX, FL... The working man still works and has a decent wage.


12 posted on 08/29/2011 12:35:02 AM PDT by DRey
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To: ffusco

You forgot the dollar. That’s kind of a biggy.


13 posted on 08/29/2011 1:53:32 AM PDT by Belasarius (Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. Job 5:2-7)
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To: ffusco
The boomers have destroyed (in my lifetime) the family, marriage, sex, objectivity, morality, piety, a sense of shame, privacy, community, personal responsibility and the economy. Is there anything left the eternal adolescents wont destroy?

The United States as an independent country.

14 posted on 08/29/2011 2:11:27 AM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: DRey

Read the other day that the situation in Texas is pretty bad now.


15 posted on 08/29/2011 2:14:58 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc

Where’d ya read that? I’m in Texas? Things are great!


16 posted on 08/29/2011 2:15:53 AM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: ffusco

The boomers have destroyed:

Turn off the TV. Rarely, rarely take in a movie. Borrow books from Boomers who have wonderful libraries that don’t follow the current culture.
You don’t have to be an over-the-hill hippy type to live simply, mostly stay out of debt (low mortgage), enjoy your family, find your fun by working hard...
I’m 63, and strongly influenced by my parents and the way they lived after going through the Great Depression.
My husband and I think very carefully about accumulating things we need, and not accumulating a lot of stuff for the heck of it.
If you want to have a happy life believe God is who He says He is, fight for your family, resist the culture, love what is good, be good to your neighbor, love your country. Remember, life is short, pack it full of good deeds, hard work and happy memories.
There are a lot of us Boomers that live just like my family does. We’re just not making a lot of noise.
It’s not a matter of taking us back to the wonderful,mystical ‘50’s. It’s being your best, and doing what is right in the midst of current events, and the times you’ve been given.


17 posted on 08/29/2011 2:16:29 AM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: ffusco

The boomers have destroyed:

Turn off the TV. Rarely, rarely take in a movie. Borrow books from Boomers who have wonderful libraries that don’t follow the current culture.
You don’t have to be an over-the-hill hippy type to live simply, mostly stay out of debt (low mortgage), enjoy your family, find your fun by working hard...
I’m 63, and strongly influenced by my parents and the way they lived after going through the Great Depression.
My husband and I think very carefully about accumulating things we need, and not accumulating a lot of stuff for the heck of it.
If you want to have a happy life believe God is who He says He is, fight for your family, resist the culture, love what is good, be good to your neighbor, love your country. Remember, life is short, pack it full of good deeds, hard work and happy memories.
There are a lot of us Boomers that live just like my family does. We’re just not making a lot of noise.
It’s not a matter of taking us back to the wonderful,mystical ‘50’s. It’s being your best, and doing what is right in the midst of current events, and the times you’ve been given.


18 posted on 08/29/2011 2:16:39 AM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: Borough Park

We have a dysfunctional financial system and those who are forced to operate within a dysfunctional system appear to those watching to be everything from mildly irrational to utterly mad whereas those attempting to function within that system see themselves as simply doing what is necessary.


19 posted on 08/29/2011 2:22:59 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: WestwardHo

I was referring to the boomers that thought Woodstock was the pivotal moment in their lives and not the Moon Landing, both events occurred in 1969. Every generation prior to mine could look forward to a higher standard of living, rising property values and a social security check.


20 posted on 08/29/2011 2:38:43 AM PDT by ffusco (The President will return this country to what it once was...An arctic wasteland covered in ice.)
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To: thecodont
"Is this one of the reasons modern men are reluctant to get married?"

To the contrary, a good reason to get married to have someone to support them. ;-)

21 posted on 08/29/2011 3:06:54 AM PDT by Average Al
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To: ffusco

...”The boomers have destroyed (in my lifetime) the family, marriage, sex, objectivity, morality, piety, a sense of shame, privacy, community, personal responsibility and the economy. Is there anything left the eternal adolescents wont destroy?”...

Correct! Ironically, the boost to end all of those good things we had came initially from academia in the 60s. Of course, the Progressives were at work before that but the decline really took off in the 60s. Unforuntately, with wealth redistribution being the big push now, there is plenty they can still destroy. Anyone with children, especially boys, who pays attention to the education system has to be horrified. And, the bullying is unreal..No one wants to take responsibility for this government system which has reeled out of control on every front. It all just seems like a corrupt mess.


22 posted on 08/29/2011 3:08:44 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: WestwardHo

Great post, WestwardHo!


23 posted on 08/29/2011 3:14:03 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: ffusco

It’s quite the accomplishment when you think about it. Usually it takes centuries to accomplish what the Boomers have in just forty years, under forty when you think about it. I wonder if it will ever be rebuilt, or if this country will have it’s own “Dark Ages.”


24 posted on 08/29/2011 3:21:49 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Borough Park

Liberals have never thought they could increase women’s stature in the workplace by simply working to improve things for women.

It was a zero sum situation for them, so they did (and are doing) all in their power to tear down the “sexist, oppressive white oligarchy” in the American workforce.


25 posted on 08/29/2011 3:23:25 AM PDT by rlmorel ("When marching down the same road, one doesn't need 'marching orders' to reach the same destination")
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To: jazzlite

Back then, academics were people who actually KNEW things, like multiple languages, a skill that required serious training in regards to studying (like the sciences and engineering) and then there were other things like if someone wanted to teach writing, they learned the exact method of constructing a perfect sentence or turn of phrase. School was for REAL subjects, not stuff like journalism (WHY does someone have to get a degree in that?) and in order to graduate you had to know stuff like multiple languages and write endlessly long essays and KNOW what you were talking about.


26 posted on 08/29/2011 3:26:33 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: rlmorel

The problem is, many women didn’t realize just what it was they were getting into. In the workforce, you are there to produce and meet work expectations, it’s not a place for women to gossip, enjoy a ‘clean’ talking environment, or for women to go after a man, it’s a place to work. It’s also not there to fund your decision to have a child and pay for daycare. Business is business and few women really understand that mentality.


27 posted on 08/29/2011 3:29:37 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Borough Park

The ungodly kicked God out of our nation’s business, so why should we expect His blessings?


28 posted on 08/29/2011 3:33:25 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: cynwoody

How about calling it “RIGHT-TO-WORK DAY”??


29 posted on 08/29/2011 3:35:21 AM PDT by CMailBag
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To: ffusco

“Every generation prior to mine could look forward to a higher standard of living, rising property values and a social security check.”

That’s because each generation before yours understood the importance of self sacrifice for the betterment of the country and didn’t treat America like some trust fund just begging to be bankrupted by the hippies. All that wealth wasn’t there by magic, it was built up be the preceding generations that were working their fingers to the bone to bring the country through the Depression and WWII.


30 posted on 08/29/2011 3:35:55 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Borough Park

In other words, all the liberal counterfeit minority supporting programs have squeezed 20%-30% of the working male population out of employment.

If a man wants to work manual labor until he finds something better, regulations are enforced upon him to pay more fees than his income, while illegal aliens are able to work without impediment under the horizon.

Incompetent upper middle class female executives are not scrutinized in their performance or abilities and promoted over their male counterparts, not only inverting the corporate power structures, but now further reducing the corporate ethic.

Unlike competition within formerly male industries, the minorities who have gleaned more success with far less risk, are not satiated with the success previously claimed by a male hard work ethic. They have been corrupted by the liberal programs attempting to counterfeit grace with handicapping the competent majority and promoting the incompetent minority. Those who have benefited from those programs sincerely believe they are entitled to the success and continued success with discounted hardship.

This is why entitlement programs will not be reduced politically.

When a righteous man receives grace, he is grateful and humble for the grace, which he recognizes he doesn’t deserve.

The unrighteous arrogant man who receives grace and lives in a worldly fashion, confuses the grace as righteous justice.

The unrighteous man further degenerates into not being satiable with justice, but always demanding grace without humility, even to the point of attacking those who have afforded him grace.

There will come a point where either the unrighteous must change their thinking or the righteous and unrighteous are separated.


31 posted on 08/29/2011 3:37:18 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: CMailBag
Labor Day being a day off from work seems to be more applicable all the time. ;-)
32 posted on 08/29/2011 3:39:58 AM PDT by Dem Guard (Obama's 57 States = The Organization of The Islamic Conference (OIC).)
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To: Niuhuru

I disagree. The generation before mine destroyed practically all the institutions and cultural norms that made America great by rejecting virtually everything their parents- the greatest generation- taught them.


33 posted on 08/29/2011 3:52:50 AM PDT by ffusco (The President will return this country to what it once was...An arctic wasteland covered in ice.)
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To: Borough Park

The issue of the plight of the American Working Man is summarized by the below observation..

You CANNOT..in 2012...run ANY political campaign that is ambiguous about your immigration “position” in the current job market.

Unemployed Americans are looking for assurances of their governments’ concern about THEIR plight...not that of businesses forced into looking for disposable labor because of onerous tax and regulatory policy.

Illegal Labor is the Feds out for preserving the status quo regarding Taxes and Regulation...and is the ultimate litmus test as to the candidates in question commitment to meaningful regulatory and tax reform. If they are wishy-washy on the subject...they have no real intent to disturb the DC status quo...no matter how big their cowboy hat and six-gun.

In short, it all comes down to Taxes and Regulation....the indexes of a narcissistic government.


34 posted on 08/29/2011 3:58:09 AM PDT by mo
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To: Borough Park

I can remember when virtually every young male that I knew graduating from high school, immediately after graduating, either:

1. went into the military

2. went full-time to college

3. got a good paying job and started a family

(I don’t understand the young people today, so many of whom just seem to be bumming around, just wasting time.)


35 posted on 08/29/2011 3:59:03 AM PDT by CGalen
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To: Post Toasties

What’s the matter? You don’t like “free trade”?


36 posted on 08/29/2011 4:01:57 AM PDT by CGalen
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To: ffusco

“Every generation prior to mine could look forward to a higher standard of living, rising property values and a social security check.”

(..........sounds like somebody wants to bring back tariffs..)


37 posted on 08/29/2011 4:06:22 AM PDT by CGalen
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To: CGalen

I do not follow you.


38 posted on 08/29/2011 4:10:29 AM PDT by ffusco (The President will return this country to what it once was...An arctic wasteland covered in ice.)
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To: WestwardHo; ffusco
Turn off the TV. Rarely, rarely take in a movie. Borrow books from Boomers who have wonderful libraries that don’t follow the current culture.

You don’t have to be an over-the-hill hippy type to live simply, mostly stay out of debt (low mortgage), enjoy your family, find your fun by working hard...

I’m 63, and strongly influenced by my parents and the way they lived after going through the Great Depression. My husband and I think very carefully about accumulating things we need, and not accumulating a lot of stuff for the heck of it.

If you want to have a happy life believe God is who He says He is, fight for your family, resist the culture, love what is good, be good to your neighbor, love your country. Remember, life is short, pack it full of good deeds, hard work and happy memories.

There are a lot of us Boomers that live just like my family does. We’re just not making a lot of noise. It’s not a matter of taking us back to the wonderful,mystical ‘50’s. It’s being your best, and doing what is right in the midst of current events, and the times you’ve been given.

Thank you for such a beautifully put opinion. My parents were a young couple just starting out during the Great Depression and they taught us what is truly important just as yours did.

People who want to blame "boomers" now can look forward to being blamed by the next generation for putting another nail in the coffin of our economy. Allowing Christianity to be removed from every aspect of our lives is the cause of our current woes, IMO.

39 posted on 08/29/2011 4:16:03 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: thecodont

“Is this one of the reasons modern men are reluctant to get married?”

It would certainly seem to be related; in some cultures having a family you are unable to support is still seen as reckless & irresponsible. When the government openly disciminates against men in the workplace and family matters, it is only a matter of time before the families stop.


40 posted on 08/29/2011 4:25:12 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: arasina

“People who want to blame “boomers” now can look forward to being blamed by the next generation for putting another nail in the coffin of our economy.”

Not too worry. One of my jobs as a parent will be to remind my children that it was the stupidity of their peers who elected the most incompetent POTUS in history and the entitlements of their grandparents that lowered the US’s credit rating and brought us to the verge of bankruptcy.


41 posted on 08/29/2011 4:26:34 AM PDT by ffusco (The President will return this country to what it once was...An arctic wasteland covered in ice.)
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To: Cvengr

“Incompetent upper middle class female executives are not scrutinized in their performance or abilities and promoted over their male counterparts, not only inverting the corporate power structures, but now further reducing the corporate ethic.”

Our government has forced companies to hire their allotment of inferior tokens through threats of lawsuits; to find the most women/minorities that are actually qualified for their jobs you have to go to smaller businesses. There is no room for “fat”, and many government guidelines don’t apply. At this point large companies are simply extensions of the government; firms looking for government contracts have to take on the required number of unemployable wastes of space.


42 posted on 08/29/2011 4:29:24 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: thecodont

“Is this one of the reasons modern men are reluctant to get married?”

I just rented a cheap trailer to a nice young white couple; Wal-Mart employees living paycheck to paycheck. They aren’t married. She’s pregnant. I wonder why they didn’t get married. My guess is marriage is a goner.


43 posted on 08/29/2011 4:30:45 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: jazzlite

“Anyone with children, especially boys, who pays attention to the education system has to be horrified.”

You’re right; at this point we are simply a Fifth Column waiting for someone with a better way.


44 posted on 08/29/2011 4:31:37 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Gen.Blather

“I just rented a cheap trailer to a nice young white couple; Wal-Mart employees living paycheck to paycheck. They aren’t married.”

I wouldn’t even refer to these people as a “couple”; they’re cheapening the word.


45 posted on 08/29/2011 4:33:27 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Borough Park

The dirty little secret is that the EEO put women in jobs because they were cheap and pushed men, especially black men, out the bottom.


46 posted on 08/29/2011 4:36:23 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Rats carry plague)
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To: ffusco
The generation before mine destroyed practically all the institutions and cultural norms that made America great by rejecting virtually everything their parents- the greatest generation- taught them.

It was your "greatest generation" that gave us LBJ with his Great Society, Medicare, Medicaid, National Broadcasting and War on Poverty. That generation also gave us Nixon and OSHA, the EPA and Affirmative Action.

47 posted on 08/29/2011 4:37:55 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: ffusco; ErnBatavia; dalereed

ErnBatavia- You get a lot of credit in reply number two. Makes me sort of jealous that I was born too soon to be a real “boomer”. Next you boomers will destroy, apple pie, base ball and motherhood.

DaleReed- We don’t get any of the credit!


48 posted on 08/29/2011 4:48:57 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: ffusco
The boomers have destroyed (in my lifetime) the family, marriage, sex, objectivity, morality, piety, a sense of shame, privacy, community, personal responsibility and the economy. Is there anything left the eternal adolescents wont destroy?

If you knew any real history you'd know that most of the changes you decry were instituted by the Greatest Generation and the Korean era generation, and NOT by boomers.

Most changes began before most boomers could even vote. They were simply in their youth as the GG began changing many traditions and institutions. Boomers were never in most positions of authority until the mid-'80s to the early '90s. The changes had been taking place long before then.

SCOTUS handed down the Rowe vs. Wade in 1973. How did the boomer SCOTUS justices vote on that? How many voted for the War on Poverty in 1965? That's when much of the deterioration began. The oldest boomers were 20 in 1965.

Blaming boomers for all the changes you list is like blaming today's teenagers and college kids for tattoos, Obamacare and the financial crisis.

49 posted on 08/29/2011 5:00:13 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88

I’m feeling left out. :(

Nobody wants to blame my generation (the silent generation) for anything. {:^(


50 posted on 08/29/2011 5:06:44 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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