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Ugly? You May Have a Case
NY Times ^ | August 27, 2011 | DANIEL S. HAMERMESH

Posted on 08/29/2011 10:45:33 AM PDT by neverdem

Daniel S. Hamermesh, a professor of economics at the University of Texas, Austin, is the author of "Beauty Pays," published this month. 

BEING good-looking is useful in so many ways.

In addition to whatever personal pleasure it gives you, being attractive also helps you earn more money, find a higher-earning spouse (and one who looks better, too!) and get better deals on mortgages. Each of these facts has been demonstrated over the past 20 years by many economists and other researchers. The effects are not small: one study showed that an American worker who was among the bottom one-seventh in looks, as assessed by randomly chosen observers, earned 10 to 15 percent less per year than a similar worker whose looks were assessed in the top one-third — a lifetime difference, in a typical case, of about $230,000.

Beauty is as much an issue for men as for women. While extensive research shows that women’s looks have bigger impacts in the market for mates, another large group of studies demonstrates that men’s looks have bigger impacts on the job.

Why this disparate treatment of looks in so many areas of life? It’s a matter of simple prejudice. Most of us, regardless of our professed attitudes, prefer as customers to buy from better-looking salespeople, as jurors to listen to better-looking attorneys, as voters to be led by better-looking politicians, as students to learn from better-looking professors. This is not a matter of evil employers’ refusing to hire the ugly: in our roles as workers, customers and potential lovers we are all responsible for these effects.

How could we remedy this injustice?...

--snip--

But many attorneys would be willing to organize classes of plaintiffs to overcome these costs, just as they now do in racial-discrimination and other lawsuits...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: affirmativeaction; bias; discrimination; napl; sliming4lawyers; ugliness; ugly
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1 posted on 08/29/2011 10:45:39 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Careful NYT, you may end up with people being hired on merit!


2 posted on 08/29/2011 10:47:35 AM PDT by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: neverdem

-—Rush had a blast with this, this morning-—


3 posted on 08/29/2011 10:49:09 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: neverdem

What if you are ugly because you are fat?
Does that mean “fat” is now protected as a form of ugliness?
Wouldn’t that make “the war on Obesity” a hate crime?
I don’t think they thought this one out.


4 posted on 08/29/2011 10:50:28 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: neverdem

Eventually, everyone will be a “class” of disenfranchised victim. None of this is really a secret. There have also been numerous studies about tall people doing much better financially. As a petite woman, I have seen this time and time again. I have seen taller counterparts move ahead (less qualified). Men who are of a short stature will experience this as well. Another problem with being small is that people just don’t “see” you. It caused me to learn to be assertive early on. Deli clerks and so many other situations cause me to be behind a counter that is above my head. The world was not created for Lilliputians. : )

One of the first realities we learn as children is that life is not “fair.” We can whine about it or accept it and work hard.


5 posted on 08/29/2011 10:50:51 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: rellimpank

yeah, I was tuned in and it was pretty funny. Like he said, what is the criteria? And, something that most women know is that we can make ourselves look beautiful. Go out with shlumpy clothes and no make-up and messy or - better yet - greasy/dirty hair and see how you are treated. Then just go out and doll yourself up and wear a beautiful outfit. Even store clerks will treat you differently. None of this is news.


6 posted on 08/29/2011 10:53:36 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: neverdem

7 posted on 08/29/2011 10:56:09 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: neverdem

I thought that all the ugly people had government jobs already in DC?


8 posted on 08/29/2011 10:56:28 AM PDT by penelopesire (Let The Congressional Hearings Begin!)
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To: penelopesire

You know what they say....DC is Hollywood for ugly people.

That must be why they hate Sarah so much - too beautiful for them.

LOL


9 posted on 08/29/2011 11:00:36 AM PDT by Aria ( "If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: rellimpank
-—Rush had a blast with this, this morning-—

That's how I found it.

10 posted on 08/29/2011 11:01:26 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

What about those with ugly hearts and minds?

People in this world are fooled by painted turds.


11 posted on 08/29/2011 11:02:40 AM PDT by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: Williams
Careful NYT, you may end up with people being hired on merit!

Indeed! It's about time.

12 posted on 08/29/2011 11:03:27 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Aria

“That must be why they hate Sarah so much - too beautiful for them.”

I think this is a HUGE issue. Womyn are just hissy jealous.


13 posted on 08/29/2011 11:05:07 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: neverdem

>> How could we remedy this injustice?...

Abort the ugly.


14 posted on 08/29/2011 11:05:50 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been Redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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To: neverdem

Being smart is already discriminated against.


15 posted on 08/29/2011 11:06:37 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming, and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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To: neverdem

Whoa, I guess J. Nappy broke the mold.


16 posted on 08/29/2011 11:07:24 AM PDT by Molon Labbie
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To: Paved Paradise
Men who are of a short stature will experience this as well.

Guys like Napolean and Audy Murphy learn to adapt and compensate.

Another problem with being small is that people just don’t “see” you. It caused me to learn to be assertive early on. Deli clerks and so many other situations cause me to be behind a counter that is above my head.

You did too!

17 posted on 08/29/2011 11:08:23 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Paved Paradise

Just as long as it does not make you so “assertive” as to set out to conquer the world...

Recall what one of the characters in Erich Maria Remarque’s “All Quiet on the Western Front” says when he catches sight of Kaiser Wilhelm for the first time.


18 posted on 08/29/2011 11:09:45 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: central_va

You DO know that a “Graphic Image” warning is required before you post these?


19 posted on 08/29/2011 11:10:55 AM PDT by LaybackLenny (All hail Her Royal Highness Sarah, Queen of The Hobbits)
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To: neverdem

Not that one again! Napoleon wasn’t a shortie. He was actually of average stature for his place and time.


20 posted on 08/29/2011 11:16:43 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: central_va

God, issue a warning when you post that photo.........that there is a face that could stop clocks!


21 posted on 08/29/2011 11:17:21 AM PDT by Badabing Badablonde (New to the internet? CLICK HERE)
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To: neverdem

“Why this disparate treatment of looks in so many areas of life? It’s a matter of simple prejudice. Most of us, regardless of our professed attitudes, prefer as customers to buy from better-looking salespeople, as jurors to listen to better-looking attorneys, as voters to be led by better-looking politicians, as students to learn from better-looking professors”

It’s not prejudice, then, is it? Obviously on the level of the customers a case can be made, though it’s not fair to say out of hand that this is any more of a prejudice than our prejudice for, say, food that tastes good. We could perhaps eat nothing but sufficiently nutritious gruel and live long lives. But we are willing to pay for yumminess, just as we are willing to pay for attractiveness in the buying experience.

I digress. The main point is that even if the disperate treatement derives from prejudice on the part of customers it is most assuredly not a matter of simple prejudice. It is a matter of supreme justice, custmore preferences being what they are.


22 posted on 08/29/2011 11:19:08 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Persevero
"“That must be why they hate Sarah so much - too beautiful for them.”"

This is also why she will win in a landslide.

23 posted on 08/29/2011 11:23:53 AM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: neverdem

“Guys like Napolean and Audy Murphy learn to adapt and compensate.”

In Napoleon’s case it wasn’t so debilitating as the myth around him has built it up to be. He wasn’t that short, for his time. It’s true, however, that his stature was a liability. More of a liability, I’d say, was his being a dirty Corsican. Both were diluted by his living in the aftermath of ‘89, which portended much for military organization.

That being said, imagine he had been 6’3’’. Maybe his men would’ve Valley Forged it in Russia.


24 posted on 08/29/2011 11:26:11 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Talisker

Very well put.


25 posted on 08/29/2011 11:44:51 AM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Badabing Badablonde; LaybackLenny
... that there is a face that could stop clocks!

More than that, it causes severe disruptions in the time-space continuum. Can you imagine being the White House Press Secretary for a GOP President and seeing that 'thing' sitting in the front row with the automatic 1st question 'right' when she was working for her former employers? How many Tums and how many bottles of Malox?

26 posted on 08/29/2011 12:23:08 PM PDT by SES1066 (1776 to 2011, 235 years and counting in the GRAND EXPERIMENT!)
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To: neverdem

I always say, “Cash is king, but beauty’s queen.”


27 posted on 08/29/2011 2:01:39 PM PDT by Lady Lucky (Heavy the head that wears the tiara.)
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To: neverdem; Paved Paradise

They say Attila was very short, too. And James Madison.


28 posted on 08/29/2011 2:04:30 PM PDT by Lady Lucky (Heavy the head that wears the tiara.)
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To: neverdem
The first time I heard the term "Look-ism" was back in the 90's. I thought it was a joke.

OF COURSE some people are more beautiful than others!

Even God acknowledges this! The bible has multiple references towards beauty, and how this distinction is a physical truism.

If physical ugliness attracted the eye, media executives would not hire women who look like this:

They would hire women instead who looked like this:

If we don't have beauty, then God has given us other gifts which we are to find and use. God sees the heart of every person. That is what is important. But, only PC leftists would try and make a "civil rights" case out of physical ugliness.

I suppose that in these evil days, where colleges are now giving scholarships to homosexual perverts based on their disgusting behavior (does a "Fister" get more money than others?) - then nothing should surprise us.

29 posted on 08/29/2011 2:36:19 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: central_va

I feel like I’ve just been run over by a bus.


30 posted on 08/29/2011 2:59:53 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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I remember watching some TV show some years back, that did situational studies with ugly women and attractive women.

One situation was a flat tire along a highway. Within seconds of the attractive woman exiting the car three cars had already stopped to help fix the flat. When the fat ugly woman did it, she had to jack up the car and fix the flat herself while cars were just whizzing by.


31 posted on 08/29/2011 3:02:31 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ...In the US the number is 54%)
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To: Lady Lucky

So what. Missing the point entirely.


32 posted on 08/29/2011 3:12:08 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: sinanju

No, I don’t recall. Meanwhile, what in God’s name is your point?


33 posted on 08/29/2011 3:12:59 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: neverdem

Not every short man is a tyrant like Napolean. I was beaten and abused by a man who was 6 ft. 4 in. to my 5 ft. 98 lb. frame.


34 posted on 08/29/2011 3:14:52 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: neverdem

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

A man who has green money stuff in his hand is much more attractive to females than otherwise (not that green is forever, but some worship it that way and our current crisis is betting on that worship).

A man who is happy with a girlfriend will also look a lot better and women/business will be after him.

It’s all in the energy.


35 posted on 08/29/2011 3:16:52 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Paved Paradise

It’s a petty point, but then it’s a petty subject.


36 posted on 08/29/2011 3:21:42 PM PDT by Lady Lucky (Heavy the head that wears the tiara.)
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To: Paved Paradise
I was beaten and abused by a man who was 6 ft. 4 in. to my 5 ft. 98 lb. frame.

I was saddened reading that. I hope you took that as the opportunity to get an equalizer.

37 posted on 08/29/2011 3:34:03 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

This is true right down to voting. Ever since women got the vote, the prettier guy with the fuller head of hair has had an instant advantage over his uglier opponent. The taller guy already had a big advantage over his shorter opponent with the male vote.

It is a real and indisputable fact that good looks confer a massive advantage on a person, all things being equal. This has always been true and always will be true. Human nature never changes.


38 posted on 08/29/2011 4:36:42 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (SP12: They called Reagan "unelectable", too.)
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To: neverdem

Don’t forget Mickey Rooney, and Alan Ladd. I remember hearing that he would have to stand on a platform to appear taller than some of his co-stars in close up scenes.


39 posted on 08/29/2011 6:31:11 PM PDT by tal hajus ("Thank you sir. May I have another?" GOP)
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To: neverdem

I survived it (sadly, I still occasionally have very bad nightmares). Good news is I met and married a beautiful man who loves me, loves God, loves my kid as his own AND even gets along better with my mom than I do (ha ha). We just celebrated 22 years in May : )


40 posted on 08/29/2011 6:49:53 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Lady Lucky

It’s petty when you are not one of the ones impacted. Good for you, Lady. Too bad people are so superficial that anyone who is short, bald, or not attractive or thin should ever have to even think about such things. These only matter if the job requires looks (e.g., a model). Of course, human nature being what it is, sales, marketing and so many other jobs will always want to hire beautiful people.


41 posted on 08/29/2011 6:52:35 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Paved Paradise
Too bad people are so superficial

I agree, it's deplorable. Too bad they're so aggressive, too. Served a purpose once, not so much lately, hmm?

Incidentally -- beside the point -- Carlo Ponti was short, bald, not attractive or thin. When he died, widow Sophia Loren said it would be unthinkable ever to love anyone else.

42 posted on 08/29/2011 7:36:21 PM PDT by Lady Lucky (Heavy the head that wears the tiara.)
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To: central_va
Helen Thomas in 1932

I'll lay odds YOU won't look as good at her age as you do now either!

43 posted on 08/29/2011 8:01:26 PM PDT by Don W (You can forget what you do for a living when your knees are in the breeze.)
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To: neverdem
See the beauties mit out makeup!


44 posted on 08/29/2011 8:06:50 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: neverdem
The Beatles without makeup:


45 posted on 08/29/2011 8:08:20 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Don W

She was a bug eyed anti-semitic commie hag then and now.


46 posted on 08/30/2011 1:29:46 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Lady Lucky

Get your jollies by making subtle insults, I see? This is why so many people are spending more time on facebook and less on these anonymous forums.


47 posted on 08/30/2011 6:18:01 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: dsrtsage

I saw that show. And the woman who did not get the help was not fat nor ugly. She just wore frumpy clothes and no makeup. The one who got the help wore a short jean skirt and heels.

What’s fascinating to me is that people often fall for the beautiful “monster” or “poison.” Handsome Ted Bundy was able to lure many women due to his good looks. There are numerous tales of beautiful women who have ruined many lives of men caught up in their beauty.


48 posted on 08/30/2011 6:21:24 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Don W

Is this really the nasty journalist Helen Thomas? Oh my! I find it hard to believe. But, then again, maybe she was like the Picture of Dorian Gray, only her wickedness showed up on her actual face?


49 posted on 08/30/2011 6:22:52 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Paved Paradise

Get help, PP. There’s no insult in my post, subtle or otherwise.


50 posted on 08/30/2011 6:35:33 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (Heavy the head that wears the tiara.)
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