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Michigan Man Killed By Grizzly In Yellowstone
npr.org ^ | 29 August, 2011 | AP

Posted on 08/29/2011 11:09:26 AM PDT by marktwain

A grizzly bear killed a Michigan man whose body was found by hikers last week in Yellowstone National Park, officials said Monday.

The victim was identified Monday as John Wallace of Chassell, Mich.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Michigan; US: Montana
KEYWORDS: banglist; grizzly; mi; yellowstone
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No mention of whether he had pepper spray or a gun.
1 posted on 08/29/2011 11:09:32 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

I really need to get on finding a .45-70 lever action.


2 posted on 08/29/2011 11:11:23 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: marktwain

Another hiker without a gun becoming bear scat!!!!!


3 posted on 08/29/2011 11:11:26 AM PDT by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: marktwain

In Grizzly country it’s best not to go out hiking without your HEAVY sidearm. Like .44Mag or better.


4 posted on 08/29/2011 11:11:52 AM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: marktwain

Let’s see,My life is on the line here, Gun or spray??? DUH GUN!!


5 posted on 08/29/2011 11:12:20 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Carnival commie side show, started November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: marktwain

Do NOT feed the bears...


6 posted on 08/29/2011 11:13:44 AM PDT by null and void (Day 948 of America's holiday from reality...)
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To: Cheetahcat

Years ago I saw a news article that advised campers to carry a big stick to “beat off” bears.


7 posted on 08/29/2011 11:15:16 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

The proper big stick is anything from .480 Ruger to S&W 500.


8 posted on 08/29/2011 11:17:18 AM PDT by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: marktwain
Tragic, but I do hope it can help this Idaho man's case.
9 posted on 08/29/2011 11:17:58 AM PDT by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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To: Paladin2

500 Nitro Express.


10 posted on 08/29/2011 11:19:44 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: marktwain

Not killing the first bear was a mistake, and this could have been the same bear.


11 posted on 08/29/2011 11:20:22 AM PDT by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: marktwain

Best to have both the gun and spray.

The spray stuns her, at which point you can shoot her.


12 posted on 08/29/2011 11:22:18 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: marktwain

Hiking in a bear reserve has inherent risks. People are responsible for their choices. Not being armed is hard on the potential bear scat, but shooting bears in an area set aside for their protection is hard on bears.
Just saying that there are risks in going out to observe dangerous game and were this outside the park, I am sure I would feel differently.


13 posted on 08/29/2011 11:25:34 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: marktwain
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14 posted on 08/29/2011 11:27:23 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: Paladin2

Here is a 45-70 for you:

http://www.gunauction.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=10365767


15 posted on 08/29/2011 11:27:36 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: marktwain
Wonder how they will get the bear’s DNA without killing it first? They must have some plan in mind.
16 posted on 08/29/2011 11:29:11 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: marktwain
gun - spray

an earlier account (when he was first found) said he carried neither.

17 posted on 08/29/2011 11:30:27 AM PDT by Texan
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To: marktwain

“”We know of no witnesses to the event at all,” Wenk said on Monday. “As far as we know he was in good health and out enjoying the park.”.......until the bear enjoyed him.


18 posted on 08/29/2011 11:37:35 AM PDT by oust the louse (A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.)
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To: Cheetahcat

One question the gun grabbers can never answer – what do you do when wild animals come after you?

Pepper spray? What if doesn’t have any effect on the animal and it runs out?

What is their answer? Not going into the woods?


19 posted on 08/29/2011 11:43:42 AM PDT by BerserkPatriot (There are no 1st Amendment rights without 2nd Amendment Rights)
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To: roaddog727

Advice from here in Wyoming (and in places like Alaska) on that .44 or other heavy sidearm: Make sure you file down the front sight.


20 posted on 08/29/2011 11:44:34 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: DarthVader

If you can control them. Most people can’t shoot those well enough to hit a bear when he’s still far enough away from them. Especially if they have a short bbl.

The biggest hand cannon that most people can shoot is probably the 44 magnum with at least a 6” barrel, for some weight out front and a longer sight radius. And even for that, you need to practice.

Probably better to have a nice 18.5” bbl 12ga pump loaded with slugs. Or maybe alternating slug and 00 buck.


21 posted on 08/29/2011 11:45:17 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: NVDave

No doubt.


22 posted on 08/29/2011 11:48:18 AM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: marktwain

Felony conviction, forfeit of weapon and up to$ 250000, fine for having a gun in the tourist mecca of yellow stone. Do not feed the bears.


23 posted on 08/29/2011 11:49:07 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: oust the louse

I guess the “Pick-a-Nick” basket wasn’t enough for the bear.


24 posted on 08/29/2011 11:50:19 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: roaddog727

The punch line is “That way, it doesn’t hurt as bad when the bear rams it up your ass.”


25 posted on 08/29/2011 11:52:40 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: org.whodat

“Felony conviction, forfeit of weapon and up to$ 250000, fine for having a gun in the tourist mecca of yellow stone. Do not feed the bears.”

Are you thinking of someplace other than Yellowstone Park?

The law for the Park was changed a couple of years ago.


26 posted on 08/29/2011 11:53:02 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: org.whodat

“Felony conviction, forfeit of weapon and up to$ 250000, fine for having a gun in the tourist mecca of yellow stone. Do not feed the bears.”

Here is an article about the change in the law:

http://www.yellowstoneinsider.com/20100219527/news/articles/nps-clarifies-yellowstone-gun-rules-you-can-pack-but-you-cant-shoot.php


27 posted on 08/29/2011 11:55:12 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: NVDave

LOL.

Get a bigger boat........


28 posted on 08/29/2011 11:55:24 AM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: marktwain

Really, what was the name, number of the senate bill.


29 posted on 08/29/2011 11:55:42 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: marktwain

“All I wanted to do was to give Yogi a pic-a-nic basket.”


30 posted on 08/29/2011 11:56:06 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Cheetahcat
Let’s see,My life is on the line here, Gun or spray??? DUH GUN!!

You are better off to spray and pray. Bears have been shot many times and lived to kill.

31 posted on 08/29/2011 11:56:42 AM PDT by keat
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To: marktwain

Never mind found it.


32 posted on 08/29/2011 11:57:32 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: BerserkPatriot
Pepper spray? What if doesn’t have any effect on the animal and it runs out?

Top bear hunting guides carry spray in addition to guns. I will defer to their expertise.
33 posted on 08/29/2011 11:57:37 AM PDT by rickomatic
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To: org.whodat

That’s incorrect.

They do say you can’t discharge them though so I hear.


34 posted on 08/29/2011 12:00:17 PM PDT by free me (Sarah Palin 2012 - GAME ON!!)
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To: ltc8k6

The standard issue round for rangers in grizz country is a Brenneke slug in a 12 ga.

You need mass to counter mass, and Brenneke offers a slug with as much as 600gr of mass in a slug.

Until you get into the punishing African rifles, you’re hard pressed to find a 600gr pill in a rifle, and such things simply don’t exist in handgun rounds.

Shotguns are wonderful tools in these situations. So versatile, so affordable, and so much firepower in such a cheap package it is hard to dispute. You can be hunting deer, elk, moose or upland game here in Wyoming with a shotgun and be fully ready for bear by just racking in a slug round. Hard to do with just about any other hunting weapon other than a drilling, which are ferociously expensive.


35 posted on 08/29/2011 12:00:40 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: free me

Yes, I finally found it, and it says it is illegal to discharge the weapon.


36 posted on 08/29/2011 12:03:16 PM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: Retired Greyhound

“The spray stuns her, at which point you can shoot her.”

I appreciate a man with a good plan. LOL!


37 posted on 08/29/2011 12:04:59 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: marktwain

About twelve years ago we dropped off my son in this area and he hiked back to Old Faithful Lodge where we were staying.

I’m currently planning our trip back there for next year, and now that it is permitted, I will be carrying my .44 magnum.


38 posted on 08/29/2011 12:09:13 PM PDT by Second Amendment First ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..." - Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
Years ago I saw a news article that advised campers to carry a big stick to “beat off” bears.

Pervert.

39 posted on 08/29/2011 12:16:39 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Just once I'd like someone to call me 'Sir' without adding 'You're making a scene.' - Homer Simpson)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
“The spray stuns her, at which point you can shoot her.”

I appreciate a man with a good plan. LOL!

To clarify, I was referring to the bear.

40 posted on 08/29/2011 12:18:20 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Scotsman will be Free
500 Nitro Express.

Now you're talking.

41 posted on 08/29/2011 12:25:36 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: Retired Greyhound

I never thought otherwise. You just have a good approach to Bear management. LOL!


42 posted on 08/29/2011 12:32:13 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Paladin2
I recommend the Marlin SS guide gun. Great for hunting white tail in thick pines.
43 posted on 08/29/2011 12:42:14 PM PDT by 12GA
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To: 12GA

I’m thinkin’ that the stainless version is the way to go, for any gauge (I need a 30-30 too - and one of those marine 12 ga.). It’s not likely to spend all of its time in the safe.


44 posted on 08/29/2011 12:44:57 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: marktwain

To STOP a charging Griz, you better be shooting to break shoulder bone.
You’ll never get through the skull and you’ll be half eaten before he dies from a heart shot.


45 posted on 08/29/2011 12:47:12 PM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: NVDave

Yeah, I’d have a hand cannon, but it would be a last ditch emergency weapon. I’d be carrying a shotgun.


46 posted on 08/29/2011 12:52:01 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: marktwain
"The best defense is to stay a safe distance from wildlife"

Well, I guess that going hiking in YNP is verbotten.

47 posted on 08/29/2011 12:52:16 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: org.whodat

That changed last year new federal law says NP’s are cover under state law when it concerns firerms.


48 posted on 08/29/2011 1:11:54 PM PDT by riverrunner
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To: Jeff Chandler

Hey, it wasn’t my idea. No way I’d ever try to beat off a bear.


49 posted on 08/29/2011 1:17:48 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: G Larry
Any decent weight/designed bullet traveling at over about 800fps well have no trouble punching through a bears skull.

I have seen several bears in the 400 lb range that have been head shot through and through with a 215 gr hard cast at 1050fps.

Out of a short barreled 41 mag. An angle shot not hitting the schull dead on could lead to a bullet not going when it is surpose too but that could be with any thing.

50 posted on 08/29/2011 1:20:45 PM PDT by riverrunner
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