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Michigan Man Killed By Grizzly In Yellowstone
npr.org ^ | 29 August, 2011 | AP

Posted on 08/29/2011 11:09:26 AM PDT by marktwain

A grizzly bear killed a Michigan man whose body was found by hikers last week in Yellowstone National Park, officials said Monday.

The victim was identified Monday as John Wallace of Chassell, Mich.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Michigan; US: Montana
KEYWORDS: banglist; grizzly; mi; yellowstone
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To: Scotsman will be Free
500 Nitro Express.

Now you're talking.

41 posted on 08/29/2011 12:25:36 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: Retired Greyhound

I never thought otherwise. You just have a good approach to Bear management. LOL!


42 posted on 08/29/2011 12:32:13 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Paladin2
I recommend the Marlin SS guide gun. Great for hunting white tail in thick pines.
43 posted on 08/29/2011 12:42:14 PM PDT by 12GA
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To: 12GA

I’m thinkin’ that the stainless version is the way to go, for any gauge (I need a 30-30 too - and one of those marine 12 ga.). It’s not likely to spend all of its time in the safe.


44 posted on 08/29/2011 12:44:57 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: marktwain

To STOP a charging Griz, you better be shooting to break shoulder bone.
You’ll never get through the skull and you’ll be half eaten before he dies from a heart shot.


45 posted on 08/29/2011 12:47:12 PM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: NVDave

Yeah, I’d have a hand cannon, but it would be a last ditch emergency weapon. I’d be carrying a shotgun.


46 posted on 08/29/2011 12:52:01 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: marktwain
"The best defense is to stay a safe distance from wildlife"

Well, I guess that going hiking in YNP is verbotten.

47 posted on 08/29/2011 12:52:16 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: org.whodat

That changed last year new federal law says NP’s are cover under state law when it concerns firerms.


48 posted on 08/29/2011 1:11:54 PM PDT by riverrunner
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To: Jeff Chandler

Hey, it wasn’t my idea. No way I’d ever try to beat off a bear.


49 posted on 08/29/2011 1:17:48 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: G Larry
Any decent weight/designed bullet traveling at over about 800fps well have no trouble punching through a bears skull.

I have seen several bears in the 400 lb range that have been head shot through and through with a 215 gr hard cast at 1050fps.

Out of a short barreled 41 mag. An angle shot not hitting the schull dead on could lead to a bullet not going when it is surpose too but that could be with any thing.

50 posted on 08/29/2011 1:20:45 PM PDT by riverrunner
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To: rickomatic

That sounds like a much better scenario with more options, but it presupposes you still have the right to bare arms.


51 posted on 08/29/2011 1:31:02 PM PDT by BerserkPatriot (There are no 1st Amendment rights without 2nd Amendment Rights)
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To: riverrunner

Griz?
With their 2.5 to 3.0 inch forehead?


52 posted on 08/29/2011 2:00:12 PM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: riverrunner
I found this account online:

My .44 magnum is a Ruger Super Redhawk similar to the one pictured but with a 9.5" barrel. The Alaskan model with the 2.5" barrel in .454 Casull was the one that stopped this grizzly. I don't know if I could hang on to it for more than one shot.

Man kills charging bear with .454 Casull

Greg Brush, an Alaskan fishing guide, was ambushed with no warning by a charging bear. All he had time to do was pull out his .454 Casull and fire as fast as possible, while falling backwards after tripping on a branch. The Anchorage Daily News reports:

He drew a Ruger .454 Casull revolver. There was no time to aim, barely time to squeeze the trigger. He’s not sure whether he got off two shots or three, but one proved fatal.

“Total luck shot,” he said.

“It doesn’t get any closer. He slid by me on his chin when I shot him,” Brush said. “I was backpedaling as fast as I could. I wasn’t even aiming. I tripped over my own feet as I pulled the trigger.”

He estimated that the animal weighed 900-plus pounds, and was 15 to 20 years old. It had grass packed in its molars and little fat on its bones.

“It was starving to death and saw an opportunity,” Brush said.

I sometimes get asked what should be carried in bear country. I always say the same thing: “I know nothing about bears but if I was in bear country I would want a .44 Magnum by my side”. I despair when people say they would rather carry their 9mm or .40 S&W Glock because they can get off more shots! This story perfectly illustrates that you may only get off one or two shots at a charging 900 pound beast! A 9mm round is not going to do much good.

Greg was most likely carrying a Ruger Super Redhawk. The Low-Glare Stainless model has a 7.5″ barrel and is available chambered in .454 Casull or .45 Colt. It has a MSRP of $992.

55L tm Man kills charging bear with .454 Casull photo

Big thank you to Don for emailing me the link.

UPDATE: Commenters point out that he was using the Super Redhawk Alaskan. This snub nosed .454 Casull has a 2.5″ barrel . It also has a MSRP of $922. Thanks guys for the correction.

229L tm Man kills charging bear with .454 Casull photo

Tom Gresham has an interview with Greg on his Gun Talk show. Thanks to Jake for the link.

53 posted on 08/29/2011 2:12:02 PM PDT by Second Amendment First ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..." - Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: keat

“Let’s see,My life is on the line here, Gun or spray??? DUH GUN!!

You are better off to spray and pray. Bears have been shot many times and lived to kill.”

Not what I shoot,I am a custom loader!


54 posted on 08/29/2011 2:17:19 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Carnival commie side show, started November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
“Years ago I saw a news article that advised campers to carry a big stick to “beat off” bears.”

I would like to see the demonstration of that technique,LOL AKA making the bear very angry.

55 posted on 08/29/2011 2:20:11 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Carnival commie side show, started November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: Second Amendment First
I read about it when it frist happen I also believe it was posted here back then.

There is a report from AK that a guy did the same thing with a 9mm. A one shot stop also last year a guy stopped a grizzly charge with his 45 acp. Any gun is better then no gun.

If I knew I was going to have to stop a bear charge. I would be armed with a rifle of at least 30 cal and a very tough bullet.

56 posted on 08/29/2011 3:15:23 PM PDT by riverrunner
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To: G Larry
Find some pictures of their skulls the bone is no where that thick. Most good designed bullets at above 800fps well penetrate around 18 inch's. I am not talking about JHPs designed for Max stopping power on two legged targets.

Good heavier for caliber hard cast hunting bullets well easly have 30 inches of penetration. I have seen 315gr 44 cal hard cast blow right through hundreds of pound of hog, a black bear shot in the front chest bullet going out the rear quarter 40 plus inches of penetration

Shooting through a bears skull isn't that hard.

57 posted on 08/29/2011 3:29:09 PM PDT by riverrunner
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To: riverrunner

I love the discussions in these threads.

It still makes no sense to me. If a good size bear is coming after me, why wouldn’t thirteen rapidly fired .45 ACP rounds at least give the bear pause? Or at least slow it down for a reload of the NEXT thirteen. Wash, rinse, repeat until out of ammo. I’d think that if at least half of the bullets hit on target.....

I’m not wanting to start an argument here. I’m just saying: It makes no sense to me.


58 posted on 08/29/2011 3:32:39 PM PDT by RandallFlagg ("I can see 2012 from my house!" Jim Thompson, 7-16-2011)
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To: marktwain

The best defense against a grizzly is to invite a slow Democrat friend along for the hike. Democrats - The other white meat.


59 posted on 08/29/2011 3:46:13 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Paladin2

Hmmm...a .45-70 for the bear, and a .44 for me - in case I miss with the .45-70!


60 posted on 08/29/2011 3:47:34 PM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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