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Poll: Israeli Youth Identifies with the Right
Arutz Sheva ^ | 30/8/11 | Elad Benari

Posted on 08/30/2011 12:03:26 AM PDT by Eleutheria5

A new poll whose results were released on Monday has found that most youth in Israel tend to identify with the right side of the political map.

According to the results reported on Channel 10 News, 17% of high school students believe that Israel’s next Prime Minister should be outspoken rightist Avigdor Lieberman (Yisrael Beiteinu). Lieberman is followed by well-known leftist journalist and television personality, Yair Lapid (who has not officially announced he is running for politics but who has openly expressed his desire to rebuild his late father’s, Tommy Lapid’s militantly secular and anti-hareidi Shinui party), who got 13%. Current Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu received only 8%.

“There are an additional three percent who mentioned Kahane, [Baruch] Marzel and [National Union MK Michael] Ben Ari,” Professor Camille Fuchs of Tel Aviv University, who conducted the poll, told Channel 10. ....

(Excerpt) Read more at israelnationalnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: avigdorlieberman; israel; lieberman; nyah; right; yairlapid; youth
There are people dying. It's time to make a stand.

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We are the world. We are the children.

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1 posted on 08/30/2011 12:03:28 AM PDT by Eleutheria5
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To: Eleutheria5

” most youth in Israel tend to identify with the right side of the political map “

So how can we get the many many youthful dimwits that incline to Leftist lemmingism here in America to WtFu and become more like their Israeli counter parts ? Especially American Jewish youth . The so-called right wing inclined youth in Israel should move heave and earth to reach out , via Facebook and such , to proselytize their American Jewish youth counterparts to WAKE UP and throw off the evil inclinations toward the Alinskyesque outlook .


2 posted on 08/30/2011 12:14:05 AM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: Eleutheria5

“Depend upon it, sir, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully.”—Samuel Johnson


3 posted on 08/30/2011 12:26:00 AM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: LeoWindhorse

I’d say give it up. I’m an under 30 Jewish guy and it’s a lost cause. This generation was even more spoiled than their baby boomer parents were, so the amount of Jewish guilt (like white guilt, only kosher) is overwhelming. I’ve pretty much resigned myself to marrying outside the faith, or maybe I’ll meet some pretty Israeli girl if I ever get back over there, and I’ll bring her back.


4 posted on 08/30/2011 12:46:27 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy ("[Drug] crusaders cannot accept the fact that they are not God." -Thomas Sowell)
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To: Eleutheria5
There's hope yet! Since the Oslo War ooops, I mean Peace Accords, Israel has been asked time and time again to compromise while the Palestinians only arm themselves. The result has been death and mayhem for the Israelis since 1993. No wonder they're waking up, how many must die or be maimed before people vote for more nationalist type leaders? The problem is with the terminology. When one says “Nationalist” we think of the extremism of the 20th century. This is not always true, that a right-wing is more dangerous to Democracy than the extreme Left. People forget that the Nazis and Communists were SOCIALISTS...
5 posted on 08/30/2011 12:49:08 AM PDT by Netz
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy

You kid yourself. You give up because (sorry for saying this) you are an ignorant Jew. Your guilt is greater than the baby boomers (like me)? If you have less knowledge and are more assimilationist, then where does the guilt derive from?
Resigned to inter-marry? Why? How about making an effort for a change? I hope you do marry a pretty Israeli girl who will turn you around and teach you something about Jewish Pride.
I am a Jew who made a decision, I moved to Israel from Detroit and married a Jewish girl, a Sabra and we have 3 Israeli kids, one of whom is in the army now...where are your “baitzim”?


6 posted on 08/30/2011 12:55:18 AM PDT by Netz
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BcMof_kwNk

mazel tov !


7 posted on 08/30/2011 12:56:41 AM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: Netz

“Oslo War”? Splutter. Splutter. I’ll have you know, monsieur, that that is “Oslo Wars”. Pluret. Pluret.


8 posted on 08/30/2011 1:02:41 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy

Don’t “bring her back”. Stay. I love America, but it’s not the country I grew up in anymore.


9 posted on 08/30/2011 1:11:23 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Netz

You know, Netz, this might shock you, but I actually care more about this country than I do about Judaism. So much of American Judaism has become liberal Democratic politics that I simply stopped attending temple. I wasn’t referring to myself when I made those statements, obviously. I’m a Republican. I have no guilt. I was referring to the vast majority of American Jews in my age demographic. If you’re in fact an American Jewish baby boomer then you’re hardly one to be talking to me about not giving up.

American Jews have voted for every Democratic nominee since FDR. Your generation was trained to be wimps. Not me. I’m going to stand with other patriots here because I care about this country. My family has been here for five generations, so I’m not just going to give up. I only care about marrying someone Jewish because it’s what my grandmother wants. With every day that passes, however, it becomes a little more clear that I shouldn’t worry about that.

Many Israeli girls are liberal as well and more than happy to trade land for peace. American Jews care more about the Sierra Club than they do about Israel. They care more about saving some crack addicted murderer on death row than they do about our constitutional rights. Do you know how shameful that is? How many American GIs gave their lives to defeat Nazi Germany? Hundreds of thousands. And instead of confronting the new and real threat that we face from Islamofascism, these Jewish people care more about attacking Republicans and appearing culturally hip. It disgusts me... to the very core of my being. Don’t talk to me about balls. I know what is at stake. Liberals want to disarm us and subvert us to the Pali sympathizers at the UN. Well to that, I say NEVER.

I don’t really care if I marry someone Jewish or not. In fact, intermarrying might even lead to more children of Jewish descent being raised with conservative values, because you reduce the risk of them being raised by a liberal Jewish mother that fills their head with all that tikkun olam crap. Liberalism wrapped in a thin cloak of Judaism? No thanks. I was fortunate enough to have two Republicans for parents. I think they were the only ones at our temple.

Good luck with your wife and kids. I’ll never move there. This is the only country I’ve ever known and we’ve quite the fight on our hands if we are to restore a more perfect union.


10 posted on 08/30/2011 1:33:11 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy ("[Drug] crusaders cannot accept the fact that they are not God." -Thomas Sowell)
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy

NO!
Stay there with Her!
Make Aliyah....the US is not what it once was anyway.

If I were younger then I would do the same.


11 posted on 08/30/2011 2:54:13 AM PDT by Bobalu (He who is compassionate to the cruel will ultimately become cruel to the compassionate)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Eleutheria5.
17% of high school students believe that Israel’s next Prime Minister should be outspoken rightist Avigdor Lieberman... followed by well-known leftist journalist and television personality, Yair Lapid

12 posted on 08/30/2011 3:31:00 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: LeoWindhorse

Their youth has to serve in an army, in a state with the front lines within walking distance.
That’s why.

Also, they have grown up with this leftist sh*t, and most likely are sick of it.


13 posted on 08/30/2011 3:56:28 AM PDT by Flintlock (Photo ID for all voters--let our dead rest in peace.)
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy
Dear 10th Ammendment guy:

After reading your retort I understand that your original missive is more or less congruent to my views so, I apologize to you but I still have some issues I feel I must air out with you in this public domain medium. In order to do this (if you are game) I need to deal with your points.

I was raised as a SUPER Patriot, NRA-America Love it or leave it household,(father fought in WWII) and supported the GOP right down the line, yet having a “AHAVAT YISRAEL” worldview that was both Zionist and practical. So I know a thing or two about pride in the flag, the right to bear arms and all that. Nobody we knew growing up were as Patriotic as we were. Nobody we knew went out skeet-shooting on Shabbat. Despite that, we mixed our love of country with our love of Jewish heritage and pride in both. When you state that you “care more about this country than I do about Judaism” a red light goes off in my head.

I rejected American Judaism as it was presented to me. Liberal Democratic politics that the Jews (for some reason) cling to is a denial of reality and Jewish history. I do not get it either but that is what we have. Given that, that does not mean you have to reject the whole G-damn barrel of apples. Do you know any Jew who actually relates to and likes going to the Temple? Do you know of any Liberal rabbi that sees Judaism other than a business?

As a Jewish baby-boomer (I'm 53) yes, my generation gave up but only through total assimilation, ignorance and rejection. How can one utterly reject Judaism when you know nothing about it? How can you embrace Zen-TM-Jane Fonda Buddhism when you don't even know what the Talmud is? Answer, ignorance and a desire to run away from who and what you are because you're embarrased or ashamed to be a friggin’ Jew! My generation was not trained to be wimps. It was a misconstrued, ignorant life path choice. It is not a black or white, wimp or rambo equation. Jews need to know more about themselves, history and yes, religious belief system in order to become what they like to call nowadays, “empowered”.

We stand by America, we stand by Israel because as Glenn Beck likes to point out, it is the right thing to do in this screwed-up world. American Jews who are DemocRATS should not be written off rather they must be TAUGHT and informed. I have managed to turn around some hard core Lefties in my time but it must be done tactfully and via reason. So please, do not write off your brothers and sisters.

You'd marry a Jewish girl only to please your grandmother? Marry a Jewish girl for yourself. Ask your grandmother why it is important to marry a Jewish girl and raise Jewish kids, ask her, please. Get the reasons behind her logic.

Regarding Israeli girls, yes many are liberal, cheese-eating surrender monkeys (like the French) but many more understand the situation and are politically to the right.

Your statement : American Jews care more about the Sierra Club than they do about Israel” is probably true and it is sad. I can only tell you that as Jews become more assimilated and ignorant as JEWS, they never make the leap to the Zionist camp, they can't, it's too far ahead of the game for them. You're being a 5th generation American Jews amazes me that you still even care, kol ha kavod to you!

I agree about your views concerning where Liberalism is leading the Jewish people. I am 100% with you on that. You over there have many battles to fight in order to restore America to what she was intended to be. Nobody is asking you to make Aliyah to Israel BUT we need your support by fighting the forces who want to destroy both Little Satan (Israel) and then Big Satan (USA). So, brother, I am in total agreement with you. I just put my energies into this project called Zionism and Israel both of which dovetail American values and the American psyche.

Lahetraot for now,

Netz

14 posted on 08/30/2011 4:06:31 AM PDT by Netz
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To: Netz

Thanks Netz.

Let me just say that I don’t reject modern-day Judaism knowing nothing about it. I was bar mitzvahed and performed the entire service, including reading all eight Torah portions. I went to Hebrew school where we read from the Talmud, the Mishnah. I’m conversationally fluent in Hebrew. And what’s with the mention of Buddhism? I have no intention of becoming a Buddhist or a Hanoi Jane fan. At least Buddhists don’t stab their own kind in the back.

In many respects, I’m ashamed to be a member of American Jewry. Yes, I fully admit that. You want me to take what my grandmother says seriously when she has voted for every Democratic nominee since Adlai Stevenson?

I don’t need to belong to a synagogue to support the state of Israel. It’s in my blood. Remember, Judaism is more than a religion. Hitler gassed Jewish converts to Christianity as willingly as he gassed secular and religious Jews.

The heroes of the Holocaust weren’t those who prayed to God as they were led away to be gassed. Heroes were men like Mordechai Anielewicz. Only 23 years old, yet wise enough to know that you weren’t going to be able to kill Nazis by praying to God. The Jewish population is in trouble in this country because we have no men like Mordechai. He understood that sometimes you must fight for freedom, even if the effort seems fruitless. He knew that one more dead German meant one more grieving widow, and he understood the significance of that.

The religion isn’t as important as the desire to live and to be free. Jews, religious or not, that vote for less freedom don’t deserve it.


15 posted on 08/30/2011 8:13:57 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy ("[Drug] crusaders cannot accept the fact that they are not God." -Thomas Sowell)
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To: Netz; 10thAmendmentGuy

Both you and 10thAmerndmentGuy are seeing Judaism through the prism of the American Reform Movement, in which the main principle seems to be “tikkun olam”, changing the world, which to them means the Democratic Party’s platform (for those who don’t believe me, check out the “Religious Actions Center” (RAC) website.

It seems to me that both of you, whether in New York State or in Israel, might benefit from expanding your knowledge of Judaism. Google “kiruv”, or outreach, and you will find a myriad of groups and individuals who will teach about Judaism, at no charge, in one-on-one sessions, in person or by telephone. Traditional Judaism, as expressed in Pirkei Avot, the “Sayings of our Fathers”, advises not to become too close to politicians, because they will use one for their own purposes, and you will find that many non-Reform Jews who are religiously involved are apolitical or are social conservatives with values much like your own, except that they believe that G-d rules the world, everything happens for a reason and hidden miracles (hashgacha pratit) are all around us.

Your ancestors came from an unbroken chain of people who underwent all sorts of discrimination and depredations solely in order to remain Jews and help ensure that their descendants would be Jews. I think you owe it to yourselves and your own descendants to learn more about the “ikkar”, or the essence, of Judaism, particularly outside of the worldview of the American Reform movement.


16 posted on 08/30/2011 8:46:33 AM PDT by Piranha (If you seek perfection you will end up with Democrats.)
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy

In my humble opinion, the heroes of the Holocaust included those who prayed to G-d as they were led away to the gas chambers. They imputed the religious belief and the values in those who have revitalized religious Judaism in the US, in Israel and around the world since the holocaust, so that today there are hundreds of thousands of religious Jews.

One story is told about a man who turned away from religion in the camps because he saw a man with tefillin, who let other Jews use them in exchange for part of their daily allotment of bread. He asked how he could be part of a religion that enabled people to be exploited like that. The rejoinder: Why was he focussing on the one man who charged for the opportunity, instead of the scores of men who willingly gave up their bread in that awful place, just in order to fulfill G-d’s commandment to put on tefillin?


17 posted on 08/30/2011 8:50:57 AM PDT by Piranha (If you seek perfection you will end up with Democrats.)
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy

There are plenty of conservative Jewish women. Where do you live?


18 posted on 08/30/2011 11:26:35 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: rmlew

I live 30 minutes outside of Syracuse, in New York State. There aren’t any.


19 posted on 08/30/2011 11:32:43 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy ("[Drug] crusaders cannot accept the fact that they are not God." -Thomas Sowell)
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy

Go to New York city. There are some here.


20 posted on 08/30/2011 11:50:19 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy
You are conversationally fluent in Hebrew? How did that come about? OK, so you went through eh usual rig amoral with Bar Mitzva and all that. You know what they say, “Bar Mitzva in a synagogue, wedding, in a church”.

My mentioning of Buddhism is meant to express the fact that so many Jews embrace every other cause and faith (social justice, Palestinian “rights”, etc. ad naseum) that there is while rejecting their own backgrounds, that's what I meant.

OK, so your ashamed, welcome to the club. How many other religious or ethnic groups are there on the planet that are ashamed to say what they are??? The real question is: what can I do to turn that shame into pride or at least recognize that not all is bad?

As “Piranha” sent the both of us a message about Jewish learning, he seems to be emphasizing learning and more religious study but this can be a minefield of frustration. I studied with the “Agudat Israel” ultra orthodox rabbis in Jerusalem. Not in a Yeshiva but privately and I learned that I was an ignorant Jew. Now of course they wanted me to become a “Hozair B’Tschuva”, I was not looking to become and observant Jew but I realized I knew...nothing really. What your grandmother has to say about intermarriage I think is relevant, her political views may be ignored.

You stated: “I don’t need to belong to a synagogue to support the state of Israel. It’s in my blood”. I get your point but synagogue life and being a part of some sort of “kehila” is a cornerstone of Judaism. To break away and be a lone wolf, caring Jew is fine but not one that binds us.

You also stated, “The heroes of the Holocaust weren't’t those who prayed to God as they were led away to be gassed. Heroes were men like Mordechai Anielewicz. Only 23 years old, yet wise enough to know that you weren’t going to be able to kill Nazis by praying to God. The Jewish population is in trouble in this country because we have no men like Mordechai.

I think we, each one of us can be a sort of hero but doing everything in our power to bring Jews together, to unite and advance Jewish causes, especially educating younger Jews about everything including what Israel SHOULD mean to every Jew. Anielewicz (spelling?) was on the way to his death and he fought. We here in Israel do the same thing, everyday - Jews defending Jewish lives. You on the other hand probably have some kind of duty, some kind of mitzva, some kind of responsibility to educate yourself further and stand up for what is right. What is good for America, what is good for American Jews too should be your goal. So, if praying isn't the answer for you how about some activism or political action?

You say that there are no more Anielewicz’s any more but there are, me, you and other Jews who care must make a stand. I know that I have and I also served as an officer in the IDF. I am still doing my part as much as I can.

So, live as a free and proud Jewish American and fight America;s battles along side Israel's - and BTW, aren't they more or less the same struggles?

I am sending this same response to Pirrana, ok?

a methaphor

21 posted on 08/31/2011 1:36:30 AM PDT by Netz
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