Skip to comments.Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification.
Posted on 08/30/2011 5:13:00 AM PDT by tutstar
Evidence continues to mount that President Obama was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, raising concerns over his presidential eligibility.
Obamas American mother, Ann Dunham, separated from her first husband, Barack Obama Sr., in 1963 when the president was 2 years old. Dunham and Obama Sr. are reported to have later divorced.
In Hawaii, Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian, in 1965 and moved to Indonesia in October 1967.
Divorce documents filed in Hawaii on Aug. 20, 1980, refer to Obama as the child of both Soetoro and Dunham, indicating a possible adoption in the U.S.
The divorce records state: The parties have 1 child(ren) below age 18 and 1 child(ren) above 18 but still dependent on the parties for education.
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This was discussed long ago. American law doesn’t care what the parents do ~ they can’t give up the chillun’s citizenship ~
Do you have a link to the law info? That would be good to provide for discussion.
In fact, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2064673/posts was started in 2008. If you come up with anything new add it onto that one!
So it still doesn’t matter, unless he enrolled at Occidental on a foreign student visa or obtained funding based on being an Indonesian citizen studying in America. Those records have been scrubbed, his damage is done, we just need to replace him in 2012.
“Obamas American mother, Ann Dunham, separated from her first husband, Barack Obama Sr., in 1963 when the president was 2 years old.”
I have never seen evidence that the two ever lived together at all, so there was no “separation”. Obama Sr. just left Hawaii.
To all those critics of this issue out there (like Bill O’Reilly for example):
There’s a difference between using this issue to “change the election results” and using it to establish the qualifications of a CANDIDATE RUNNING FOR OFFICE.
Yes, Obama is a sitting president and according to YOU (not me) we should be respectful of the fact that he won the election.
But that was the LAST ELECTION.
Going into the NEXT ELECTION it’s fair by ANY STANDARD (including the ridiculously soft standards of “pundits” like Bill O’Reilly) to investigate this issue thoroughly.
Like so many others, I wanted to see Mr. Obama adjudicated as ineligible for office.....which I personnally think he is because I don’t think he is a NBC in COTUS sense. However, in the case of Indonesian citizenship....I “believe” (I don’t know), that a child cannot renounce his citizenship by being adopted. So, being adopted by an Indonesian would not invalidate his U.S. citizenship. I do “believe” (I don’t know) that he had to clarify his status upon reaching adulthood.
Whatever, the SCOTUS has (for whatever reason - I don’t know) punted on this issue. We are powerless to force the issue....unless we go into rebellion...which I will not do.
F. RENUNCIATION FOR MINOR CHILDREN
Parents cannot renounce U.S. citizenship on behalf of their minor children. Before an oath of renunciation will be administered under Section 349(a)(5) of the INA, a person under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that he/she fully understands the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation, is not subject to duress or undue influence, and is voluntarily seeking to renounce his/her U.S. citizenship.
How do you know he was attending college on a foreign scholarship?
But . . . Obama Sr. was already married to another woman in Kenya at the time reports say he "married" the promiscious Miss Dunham. Therefore, little bastard Barry is truly a little bastard.
This jungle love stuff is pretty well complicated if you ask me. What a PITA
True, but the more pertinent question, IMHO, is WHICH of the 2 distinctive types of citizenship he possessed in the first place.
A citizen by the soil (native-born) is NOT eligible to be President unless he is also a citizen by blood (natural-born).
You’ll need to argue that one out with State Department.
It doesn’t matter. No court or legislative body in this country has the integrity, the ethics or the honor required to do anything about this. As far as I’m concerned they are all complicit.
“But U.S. law would still recognize Obama as an American citizen”.
“If Obama had Indonesian citizenship for a period, it may not necessarily have changed his U.S. citizenship status, but it could raise loyalty concerns.”
You don't need to look it up. Another country, or your parents, or ANYONE (not even you) can lose your U.S. citizenship while under the age of majority (21). (and in some cases even after that (Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939))
Zero has always been UNqualified to be POTUS. He may be DISqualified too, but at this point it is academic. The only way to get him out of Air Force One is to vote him out next year.
Sadly, U.S. citizenship is handed out indiscriminately, like a prize in a Cracker Jack box. It is one of the signs of Empire, like Roman citizenship.
We now have millions of people running around with “dual” citizenships. If you are well connected and have enough money you can potentially be a “citizen” of a dozen countries at the same time. For example, you can buy one from Belize or claim one from Ireland if a grandparent was from there.
Let’s consider a thought problem here for a moment...strictly for conversational purposes.
Let us say that next February, undeniable and unshakable, proven public proof that Obama was not only ineligible to even run for President, but calls into question his eligibility to run for his former Senate seat as well.
Then what?? Someone explain to me exactly what they think would happen next, if anything.
I don’t think there would be any more support for Premier Hussein’s impeachment beyond the Republicans in the House, and I am not convinced that all of them would vote to impeach. Even if they did, the Democrats and all of the RINO Republicans in the Senate would never in a million years vote to convict.
And even if Hussein was impeached, convicted and removed from office before the election, who here has warm fuzzy feelings about Joe Biden ascending to the Presidency and perhaps naming Nancy Pelosi as his Veep??
Thomas Jefferson wrote in his “Notes on the State of Virginia”: “The time to guard against corruption and tyranny is before they shall have gotten hold of us. It is better to keep the wolf out of the fold than to trust to drawing his teeth and talons after he shall have entered.”
I fear that because we collectively allowed a very talented face-dancer to casually work around our election laws, we now have the wolf in our midst and as Jefferson pointed out it will be much harder to do something about it after the fact.
I also fear that the Country has suffered such grave economic damage from this community agitator and his Communist friends that we are in much more danger than many would care to admit and that even more damage is going to be done before we can get them out of office in January 2013.