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Cherokee Nation Revokes Citizenship Rights of Black Slave Descendants
The New American ^ | Monday, 29 August 2011 | Selwyn Duke

Posted on 08/30/2011 5:16:20 AM PDT by Paladins Prayer

Just a week ago this Monday, the Cherokee Nation’s Supreme Court ruled that the tribe may revoke the citizenship rights of black members. The case stemmed from a 2007 vote in which the Nation amended its constitution to allow the expulsion of the descendants of Cherokee-held slaves; this inspired a lawsuit by the “Freedmen,” as the black Cherokee are known. A district court found in favor of the Freedmen, but the Supreme Court overturned that ruling, arguing that the Cherokee alone have a right to determine who is and is not a fellow tribesman. The result is that these erstwhile Cherokees, approximately 3,000 strong, will now be denied benefits that inclusion in the tribe affords, such as free healthcare and education, and voting and housing rights.

The Freedman had enjoyed Cherokee citizenship status ever since it was granted through a treaty with the U.S. government after the War Between the States. Previous to this, the Cherokees, along with tribes such as the Choctaw and Creeks, kept thousands of African slaves (additionally, some Indians allied themselves with the Confederacy during the war).

While these facts aren’t generally found in school textbooks, they should surprise no one. Slavery was once ubiquitous throughout the world, and North America’s indigenous people were no exception. For their embrace of the institution predated the white settlers’ arrival; moreover, this event presented new slaveholding opportunities: Some Indians made slaves of Europeans as well as Africans.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: blacks; cherokees; indians; slaves
This just can't be true! Only white people exclude others! Everyone knows that.
1 posted on 08/30/2011 5:16:23 AM PDT by Paladins Prayer
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To: Paladins Prayer

Facts are not popular with some folks. An example -—Africans are not Indians. [American indigenous people]


2 posted on 08/30/2011 5:20:20 AM PDT by texican01
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To: Paladins Prayer
It would seem that descendants of Cherokee would be part of the tribe; as slaveholders sometimes would have progeny with their slaves. I guess it is up to them to decide though.
3 posted on 08/30/2011 5:27:26 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: Paladins Prayer

I think that other tribes/nations have standards (percentage of blood) that must be met to be considered a member. I’m thinking that the Cherokee are drawing a line. Might seem unfair on the face of it, but if your great, great, grandad was half-cherokee, then your claim is pretty weak.


4 posted on 08/30/2011 5:36:14 AM PDT by Tallguy (You can safely ignore anything that precedes the word "But"...)
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To: Paladins Prayer

I guess will see here real quick who’s the top dog in the liberal caste system.


5 posted on 08/30/2011 5:37:19 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Obama/Biden '12: No hope and chump change.)
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To: Tallguy

My great great great great grandmother was Cherokee. Does that count? Just fun to know though.


6 posted on 08/30/2011 5:39:08 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: Tallguy
... but if your great, great, grandad was half-cherokee, then your claim is pretty weak.

Whose great-great granddad wasn't half-Cherokee?

7 posted on 08/30/2011 5:40:22 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Paladins Prayer

Cherokee people
Cherokee tribe
So proud to live
So proud to die


8 posted on 08/30/2011 5:45:55 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Paladins Prayer

But I thought they were noble savages much better than the white European scum that despoiled this contry.


9 posted on 08/30/2011 5:46:50 AM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: texican01

Another fact: Native American tribes routinely “adopted” outsiders - people who were from other tribes, and even some Europeans - after which they were considered as much “Indian” as the blood-members of the tribe that “adopted” them. The so-called “blood quantum” rules for tribal membership are the creation of white Europeans, who had their own, inimical, reasons for categorizing individuals as Indian or non-Indian, and those rules were eventually forced upon (or in some cases adopted by) the tribes. Absent the blood-quantum rules, these folks would be considered full members of the tribe, regardless of their original heritage.


10 posted on 08/30/2011 5:46:50 AM PDT by Oceander (The phrase "good enough for government work" is not meant as a compliment)
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To: Paladins Prayer

Franklly, I think it is time to disgard the tribal concept and funding. Let the Indians keep the land they were bequethed, but no more indian nation. Have them be governed by US law.


11 posted on 08/30/2011 5:46:55 AM PDT by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Paladins Prayer

These folks must enjoy sticking a stick in a hornets nest because that’s exactly what they’ve just done!


12 posted on 08/30/2011 5:47:07 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Paladins Prayer

That’s racist, Kemosabe.


13 posted on 08/30/2011 5:47:34 AM PDT by shove_it (It's either Obama or America. There cannot be both.)
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To: Paladins Prayer

Hey, you think the Cherokees are going to share that casino $$$$$ with anyone they don’t have to??? The blacks were their “brothers” until there was real money involved.


14 posted on 08/30/2011 5:48:07 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Paladins Prayer

Excluding anyone who is not 100% is a Cherokee thing. My sister married a Cherokee. She died 2 years ago and the tribe revoked the Cherokee status of her 2 kids, because they weren’t 100% pure.
They receive nothing from the tribe. Cherokees are first class bigots.
I think this is all about sharing the casino profits.


15 posted on 08/30/2011 5:50:32 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (2012 is the opportunity to get rid of Obama and his Empire of Lies.)
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To: Paladins Prayer

Follow the money.

My then 8 year-old son remarked to an 8 year-old Cherokee girl he was trying to befriend that his great-great-granddad’s mother was Cherokee. Her reply: “The white Indians don’t get no money.” No eight year-old comes up with that on his/her own.


16 posted on 08/30/2011 5:51:02 AM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
Very good question ~ maybe some of these guys who come up from Mexico ~ they don't look all that Cherokee to me.
17 posted on 08/30/2011 5:51:16 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Paladins Prayer

Indians had slaves??? Next, they’ll be saying that blacks had slaves. Or worse, that black Africans sold other blacks into slavery. What is up is now down...

BTW, Will the blacks be allowed to work in the casinos?


18 posted on 08/30/2011 5:51:26 AM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: Paladins Prayer

After greater than 150 years, even the Cherokees don’t want them. Sad....


19 posted on 08/30/2011 5:51:51 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: King Moonracer

20 posted on 08/30/2011 5:53:56 AM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: Paladins Prayer

The Black Caucus will now extend its nation-wide anti-Tea Party tour to include protests at Indian casinos. “Share the loot!”


21 posted on 08/30/2011 5:55:21 AM PDT by Malesherbes (- Sauve qui peut)
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To: Chickensoup

Want to break some more treaties?


22 posted on 08/30/2011 5:56:19 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: texican01

>> Africans are not Indians <<

It depends. Apart from the Navajo and Hopi, most of the modern USA’s “Indians” have at least as much Caucasian DNA than purely “Native American” DNA.

So if a Cherokee or Choctaw can be 1/2 or 3/4 Caucasian, why can’t one of his tribal brethren be 3/4 African?


23 posted on 08/30/2011 5:56:37 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: Paladins Prayer
Well Dave, it appears the Cherokee delegation has dropped out of the draft.
24 posted on 08/30/2011 5:57:24 AM PDT by liberalh8ter
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To: Oceander
Great movie...


25 posted on 08/30/2011 5:57:36 AM PDT by moovova
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

I’m guessing that this is ALL about the money. After the casino opened in Cherokee NC, much wompom has been coming into the tribe. I think those that are 1/32 Cherokee (if their ancestors were on the “Daws roll” in 1920’s) are illegible for casino payouts of some pretty hefty sums (about 8-10K a year per person). Alas, I’m only 1/128th Cherokee....


26 posted on 08/30/2011 5:59:41 AM PDT by BallparkBoys (RESIST WE MUCH! ....We must, and we will much, about that, be committed!)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

I’m guessing that this is ALL about the money. After the casino opened in Cherokee NC, much wompom has been coming into the tribe. I think those that are 1/32 Cherokee (if their ancestors were on the “Dawes roll” in 1920’s) are illegible for casino payouts of some pretty hefty sums (about 8-10K a year per person). Alas, I’m only 1/128th Cherokee....


27 posted on 08/30/2011 6:00:04 AM PDT by BallparkBoys (RESIST WE MUCH! ....We must, and we will much, about that, be committed!)
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To: Tallguy
if your great, great, grandad was half-cherokee

Actually, one of my great, great, grandmothers was Cherokee and another was Choctaw. And no, I'm not considered a member of either nation.

28 posted on 08/30/2011 6:02:00 AM PDT by DesertSapper (God, Family, Country . . . . . . . . . . and dead terrorists!!!)
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To: King Moonracer

The Cherokee split during the Civil War, largely over the question of slvery. Some fought for the North. Many fought for the South [along with some of the Choctaw,Creeks and Seminoles].

Stand Watie, a Cherokee, was a Brigadier General in the Confederate Army, and, if I remember correctly, one of the last Confederates to surrender


29 posted on 08/30/2011 6:06:52 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Paladins Prayer
"Slavery was once ubiquitous throughout the world"

Sadly this is true, and, though slavery is no longer ubiquitous, it is widespread and deeply entrenched in some parts of the word--even in the 21st century.

Slavery is one of the most horrible evils ever devised.

Those interested in its abolition should contact the American Anti-Slavery Group: http://www.iabolish.org/

"their embrace of the institution predated the white settlers’ arrival"

Definitely. Indian tribes routinely employed both slavery and torture before and after the arrival of Europeans. This includes the Indian tribes living along the Atlantic Coast of North America.

"Some Indians made slaves of Europeans as well as Africans."

Yes. This was one of the dangers of the frontier--even when the frontier was within the original thirteen English colonies along the Atlantic Coast: capture and enslavement of Europeans, especially European children. The Spanish in Florida encouraged this. They considered the English colonies to be illegal occupation of Spanish lands and their Protestant religion to be heresy. They encouraged the kidnapping of English children as a benevolent rescue of them from heresy--nevermind that they remained Indian captives, unenlightened by Catholicism.

30 posted on 08/30/2011 6:09:02 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("That is the great eternal question: Are 'Liberals' evil or stupid?" ~Ann Coulter)
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To: Hawthorn
It;s all about the money. Now that the tribes are bringing in billions with casino gaming....I think it's time to quit sending them taxpayer money......these "indians" are spending their gaming profits on building larger casinos, hotels, restaurants, gas stations.....let the taxpayers continue to pay for health care, housing and welfare. These Freedmen were cutting in on the action.....
31 posted on 08/30/2011 6:09:48 AM PDT by Hogblog
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To: King Moonracer

The blacks did own slaves.

According to federal census reports, on June 1, 1860 there were nearly 4.5 million Negroes in the United States, with fewer than four million of them living in the southern slaveholding states. Of the blacks residing in the South, 261,988 were not slaves. Of this number, 10,689 lived in New Orleans. The country’s leading African American historian, Duke University professor John Hope Franklin, records that in New Orleans over 3,000 free Negroes owned slaves, or 28 percent of the free Negroes in that city.

http://americancivilwar.com/authors/black_slaveowners.htm


32 posted on 08/30/2011 6:12:58 AM PDT by jy1297
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To: Mercat

The Cherokee are operating under a special circumstance. A post Civil War treaty said they must accept freed slaves held by the Cherokee as citizens of their nation. OK, but what about their descendants - and how far into the future?

A lot of “tribes” here in the northeast are hard pressed to find any member who is more than 25 percent by blood. Some of these “tribes” are basically corporations for the purposes of owning a tribal casino. Nevertheless, an individual must be able to prove “blood” within so many generations to be able to claim membership.

You might have a claim should you choose to pursue it!


33 posted on 08/30/2011 6:17:46 AM PDT by Tallguy (You can safely ignore anything that precedes the word "But"...)
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To: Paladins Prayer

okay....NOW can we all admit that all of this racial gerrymandering is stupid and destructive?


34 posted on 08/30/2011 6:20:56 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Paladins Prayer

I’m not sure but I think the Cherokee are matrilenial. So the child of a slave woman would not count.


35 posted on 08/30/2011 6:31:12 AM PDT by stellaluna
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To: texican01

***Facts are not popular with some folks. An example -—Africans are not Indians. [American indigenous people]****

Neighter was Bill Clinton or Ward Churchill who claimed to be (honorary) Cherokees.


36 posted on 08/30/2011 7:11:20 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare! NEW PHOTOS & PAINTINGS)
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To: Paladins Prayer

funny!


37 posted on 08/30/2011 7:29:34 AM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: BallparkBoys
those that are 1/32 Cherokee....

That would be me. Sounds like I left some money on the table prior to this ruling.

38 posted on 08/30/2011 8:26:04 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (To ACLU & its plaintiffs: Stop dragging the public into your personal struggle w/ God. -Mark Baisley)
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To: stand watie

ping!


39 posted on 08/30/2011 8:27:09 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (To ACLU & its plaintiffs: Stop dragging the public into your personal struggle w/ God. -Mark Baisley)
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To: texican01
I know there are plenty of cases in the past where white's were adopted into various tribes..and for all intents and purposes were tribal members.

I also know...that there were cases of whites and blacks taken into tribes...and treated as slaves.

I wonder if this wasn't the case with the Cherokee's.

40 posted on 08/30/2011 8:30:34 AM PDT by Osage Orange ("Marine Sniper - You can run, but you'll just die tired!")
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To: BallparkBoys

There were the Dawes Rolls and the Guion-Miller Rolls, early 20th century indian censuses, really. I’ve got seven who were denied because they’d lived apart from the tribe for over a century. Surnames Hicks, Eaton and Sizemore. I’m 1/64 Cherokee.


41 posted on 08/30/2011 8:36:00 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Tallguy
Many tribes have figured out...and rightly so IMO..that if they draw a line in the sand..at say "you must be 1/2 degree" Indian blood. Said tribe will cease to exist somewhere down the road.
42 posted on 08/30/2011 8:41:38 AM PDT by Osage Orange ("Marine Sniper - You can run, but you'll just die tired!")
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To: Chickensoup

That would just be another treaty broken with the indians and the government.


43 posted on 08/30/2011 3:58:55 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny

No more treaties. They are part of the US population. They become Americans and get of the dole. They have no separtate rights.

Just like federal employees. No more federal retirement. Everyone gets SS. Whether you are speaker of the house or a broompusher on the federal dime.


44 posted on 08/30/2011 4:44:54 PM PDT by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Paladins Prayer
Late post, but just saw this article.

The issue is if slaves that were owned by the Cherokee should be considered Cherokee if there is no blood relation.

The old treaty says yes, the new president says no.

I saw if they want to end the treaty, great! Would be better for their people in the long run. Reservations were the most successful thing the US government every made to destroy a people.

45 posted on 09/14/2011 11:34:55 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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