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Perry dominates in South Carolina (PPP Poll has Perry up by 23 pts.)
Public Policy Polling ^ | 8/30/11 | PPP

Posted on 08/30/2011 9:43:21 AM PDT by CA Conservative

Raleigh, N.C. – If there was any question that Rick Perry is the new Republican presidential frontrunner before now, PPP’s latest poll of South Carolina confirms it. A week ago, PPP showed Perry jumping to a narrow lead in first-caucus Iowa. Now, he has a double-digit lead in what will likely be the third-voting state. Perry tops with 36% to Mitt Romney’s 16%, Michele Bachmann’s 13%, Herman Cain’s 9%, Newt Gingrich’s 8%, Ron Paul’s 5%, Rick Santorum’s 4%, and Jon Huntsman’s 2%. This is a sea change from when PPP last polled the race in June, with Perry not included. Romney led with 30% to Cain’s and Gingrich’s 15%, Bachmann’s 13%, and Paul’s 10%.

If Sarah Palin joins the fray, it has no impact on Perry’s dominance but a lot on Bachmann’s standing. Palin would place third at 10% behind Perry still at 36%, Romney at 13%, followed by Cain’s 9%, and Bachmann and Gingrich tied at 7%.

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Yes, this is PPP, a Dem outfit, but it seems to follow the trend established by the Magellan Strategies poll from last week.
1 posted on 08/30/2011 9:43:27 AM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: shield

Perry ping


2 posted on 08/30/2011 9:44:11 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; RoosterRedux; jonrick46; deepbluesea; RockinRight; TexMom7; potlatch; ...
Perry Ping....

IF you'd rather NOT be pinged FReepmail me.

IF you'd like to be added FReepmail me. Thanks.

3 posted on 08/30/2011 9:47:33 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: CA Conservative

For nearly three decades, South Carolina has been a make-or-break state for Republican presidential candidates. None has become the national nominee without a victory – often a decisive one – in this first-in-the-South primary.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0802/p01s02-uspo.html


4 posted on 08/30/2011 9:48:20 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: CA Conservative

Call it a day, Mittens. Your support stops at New Hampshire, Michigan and maybe Utah.


5 posted on 08/30/2011 9:49:48 AM PDT by ScottinVA (As a party that gives Obama what he wants, what again is the GOP`s 2012 selling point?I wonder whatl)
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To: P-Marlowe; wmfights; CA Conservative
If Perry wins the Iowa caucuses and then the South Carolina primary, it's pretty much a snowball going downhill.

The latest about Palin's Sept 2 or 3 entry into the race: she says Rove doesn't know what he's talking about. She's still thinking about it.

6 posted on 08/30/2011 9:51:06 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: CA Conservative

Good news if true. The sooner Bachmann is out the better. The same goes without saying for Romney, but I suppose he’ll stick around for a bit after winning NH and losing SC. But if Perry beats Bachmann in IA and SC, she will hopefully withdraw from her silly campaign.


7 posted on 08/30/2011 9:51:26 AM PDT by Huck (I don't believe there is just one God--humanity seems like the work of a committee to me.)
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To: CA Conservative
Yes, this is PPP, a Dem outfit

They do tend to be in the ballpark... closer to the truth than the MSM polls are.

8 posted on 08/30/2011 9:51:47 AM PDT by ScottinVA (As a party that gives Obama what he wants, what again is the GOP`s 2012 selling point?I wonder whatl)
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To: CA Conservative

Now the died in the wool “Conservatives” here are proud to spout Democrat polls in support of their candidate. Wow.

Don’t forget folks, he’s not a RINO even if his people are perfectly comfortable tapping Democrat polls to support him.


9 posted on 08/30/2011 9:52:37 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain 5 yrs Left/1 yr right "BAD!" - Republicans 3 yrs Right 1 year Left to elect RINOs. "Good?")
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To: xzins
She's still thinking about it.

More so, she's probably thinking about how to word her "thanks, but no thanks" address. I predict she'll endorse Perry.

10 posted on 08/30/2011 9:54:25 AM PDT by ScottinVA (As a party that gives Obama what he wants, what again is the GOP`s 2012 selling point?I wonder whatl)
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To: CA Conservative

SC has a far more bigger impact on GOP elections than NH. Crushing Mittens this hard is encouraging. It is fun to watch the Mittens fade.


11 posted on 08/30/2011 9:54:42 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Yep. The Perry Pimps are busy today again I see.


12 posted on 08/30/2011 9:55:17 AM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: xzins
If Perry wins the Iowa caucuses and then the South Carolina primary, it's pretty much a snowball going downhil

I strongly agree. Looks to me like Perry has the "Big Mo."

13 posted on 08/30/2011 9:56:11 AM PDT by ScottinVA (As a party that gives Obama what he wants, what again is the GOP`s 2012 selling point?I wonder whatl)
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To: subterfuge

They’ve turned this into RINO central USA.

We have them openly hoping Bachmann will pull out.

THIS is what Free Republic was created for?


14 posted on 08/30/2011 9:56:59 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain 5 yrs Left/1 yr right "BAD!" - Republicans 3 yrs Right 1 year Left to elect RINOs. "Good?")
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To: CA Conservative

It’s a CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!


15 posted on 08/30/2011 9:58:12 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("A gentleman considers what is just; a small man considers what is expedient.")
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To: DoughtyOne

Yep. Amazing, isn’t it.


16 posted on 08/30/2011 9:58:19 AM PDT by rintense (ABO can KMA.)
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To: ScottinVA

From what I have seen thus far, Mitt acts entitled to the nomination and seems to believe “he is next”. Mitt makes it easy for me to support Perry if Palin doesn’t run.


17 posted on 08/30/2011 9:59:12 AM PDT by JerseyDvl (Sometimes the road less traveled.... is less traveled for a reason.)
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To: DoughtyOne; subterfuge

So what you are saying is that who does the poll is more important than the polls accuracy?


18 posted on 08/30/2011 9:59:23 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (Perry 2012! A Conservative who can win!)
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To: DoughtyOne
Don’t forget folks, he’s not a RINO even if his people are perfectly comfortable tapping Democrat polls to support him.

Well, since all of the polls to come out lately, regardless of their political leaning, are showing large Perry leads, it is hard to dismiss them as being somehow "tainted" because this one comes from a Dem polling outfit. Now, if polling groups like Gallup and Rasmussen were showing Perry trailing badly, and we were touting a PPP poll that showed Perry in the lead, you might have a point. As it is, it just sounds like sour grapes because your candidate is stuck at around 10%.

I actually find it interesting that Perry's number stays at 36% whether Palin is included or not. It appears that Palin pulls from Romney and Bachmann, but not from Perry, at least in this poll. Very interesting...

19 posted on 08/30/2011 9:59:47 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: DoughtyOne
PPP surveyed 750 usual South Carolina Republican primary voters from August 25th to 28th. The margin of error for the survey is +/-3.6%. This poll was not paid for or authorized by any campaign or political organization. PPP surveys are conducted through automated telephone interviews. PPP is a Democratic polling company, but polling expert Nate Silver of the New York Times found that its surveys in 2010 actually exhibited a slight bias toward Republican candidates.

I agree to not trust any polls. That is why I always read the methodology and sample. I can't find any issues here and it seems to be in line with other polling on the subject. If you also read through the questions, they are straight forward. I don't see were the bias is if they are promoting Perry for some reason.

20 posted on 08/30/2011 10:00:20 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: DoughtyOne
They’ve turned this into RINO central USA.

The ONLY conservative candidate is the one *I* support!!!!! ALL the rest of them are RINOS!11!!!eleventy11!

21 posted on 08/30/2011 10:00:54 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("A gentleman considers what is just; a small man considers what is expedient.")
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To: xzins; wmfights

My support for Perry grows every day as he is out there taking the brunt of the MSM smears. There is a full fontal assault of Perry, particularly in regard to his Christian Family Values. Palin has not, to my knowledge come to the defense of either Bachmann or Perry on these attacks.

As a result of this, my support for Palin is wavering. In light of the fact that the MSM in in total smear mode, Palin needs to either poop or get off the pot. If she doesn’t announce by this weekend, then I’m going all in for Perry.


22 posted on 08/30/2011 10:01:15 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: DoughtyOne

“Don’t forget folks, he’s not a RINO even if his people are perfectly comfortable tapping Democrat polls to support him.”

Do you have any other polls that show someone else leading?


23 posted on 08/30/2011 10:01:24 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: CA Conservative

The Perry train is gathering speed daily and will soon be unstoppable!


24 posted on 08/30/2011 10:01:55 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: Artemis Webb

It doesn’t occur to you at all, that a Democrat poll could be gamed to support the candidate the Left might desire?

Really? Wow...

Folks, this has long since crossed the line of sane support for a candidate.

We’re now even encouraging Conservative candidates to pull out so Perry can run unopposed.

It’s flat out embarrassing to watch you folks stoop to this.


25 posted on 08/30/2011 10:02:06 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain 5 yrs Left/1 yr right "BAD!" - Republicans 3 yrs Right 1 year Left to elect RINOs. "Good?")
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To: CA Conservative

Rhetorical question...but why would anybody south of the Mason/Dixon line even considering voting for Mitt Romney? He just oozes that city-slicker Yankee elitist that most Southerners detest.


26 posted on 08/30/2011 10:02:19 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: CA Conservative

A close first or second in Iowa, a close second in New Hampshire followed by a large victory in South Carolina and Perry will damned near run the table.

note: the only unknown is what happens if Palin gets in the race.


27 posted on 08/30/2011 10:03:33 AM PDT by Grunthor (Perry.)
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To: Artemis Webb; DoughtyOne; subterfuge
So what you are saying is that who does the poll is more important than the polls accuracy?

Ironically, PPP polls, despite their origin, are one of the more accurate polls out there. And IIRC, to the extent they had a bias, it was actually towards Republican candidates last year.

28 posted on 08/30/2011 10:03:38 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("A gentleman considers what is just; a small man considers what is expedient.")
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To: DoughtyOne
We’re now even encouraging Conservative candidates to pull out so Perry can run unopposed.

Where?

29 posted on 08/30/2011 10:04:34 AM PDT by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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To: All
I just had a thought that Jon Huntsman will become a 3rd party candidate and be the "John Anderson" of 2012. Anderson was a liberal Republican, just like Huntsman, who ran in the 1980 campaign as an independent.

From Wikipedia:

Most of Anderson's original support came from Rockefeller Republicans who were more liberal than Reagan, but it bled away. Many prominent intellectuals, including the author and activist Gore Vidal, All in the Family creator Norman Lear, and the editors of the liberal magazine The New Republic, also endorsed the Anderson campaign. He also had the support of many independents. Cartoonist Garry Trudeau's Doonesbury ran several strips sympathetic to the Anderson campaign.[9] According to the recently published journals of Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr., former First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis voted for Anderson, as did Schlesinger himself. The hope that Anderson would score when the Democrats split in their support of Ted Kennedy and President Jimmy Carter faded when Kennedy endorsed Carter and the Democrats held together. Anderson's choice of little-known Democrat Patrick Joseph Lucey, a former Governor of Wisconsin, as his running mate signaled that Anderson was unable to win over any prominent Democrat. Although the Carter campaign feared Anderson could be a spoiler, Anderson's campaign turned out to be "simply another option for frustrated voters who had already decided not to back Carter for another term. Polls found Anderson voters nearly as likely to list Reagan as their second choice as Carter."[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Anderson
30 posted on 08/30/2011 10:04:54 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: ScottinVA

bye bye Romney.


31 posted on 08/30/2011 10:05:35 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (It is possible to both promote Palin and support Bachmann at the same time, ya know.)
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To: CA Conservative

That is the most important thing about this poll, Palin entry would have zero affect on Perry


32 posted on 08/30/2011 10:06:57 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: DoughtyOne; Artemis Webb
It doesn’t occur to you at all, that a Democrat poll could be gamed to support the candidate the Left might desire?

Oh, we're sure that it *could* happen, I suppose. But you have yet to show that it actually *is* happening. That's the point. Until you can do that, you're nothing but just another whining little Palin supporter who can't stand it that somebody besides Palin is grabbing the limelight and the momentum, and who has to spin weird little conspiracy theories to account for the fact that reality is not meshing with your own personal little self-contained fact space.

And I'm telling you this as someone who's still holding out for DeMint to change his mind - i.e. neither a Perry nor a Palin supporter.

33 posted on 08/30/2011 10:08:17 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("A gentleman considers what is just; a small man considers what is expedient.")
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To: DoughtyOne

I only wish we had had a RINO like Perry at the helm for the last two and one half years instead of what we have now!

15000 Dow, 5% economic growth, unemployment 6% and falling fast! Borders secured! Iran nuclear weapons program dead in the water! On and on and on! DAMN what a mess that would be!


34 posted on 08/30/2011 10:09:19 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

In fact, supporting any candidate BUT Palin is proof of Palin-hatred.

(sarcasm)


35 posted on 08/30/2011 10:09:28 AM PDT by Grunthor (Perry.)
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To: DoughtyOne
It doesn’t occur to you at all, that a Democrat poll could be gamed to support the candidate the Left might desire?

If you have any polls that would indicate a different trend, please enlighten us. But just complaining because you don't like or disagree with the outcome of a poll is not a compelling argument.

36 posted on 08/30/2011 10:09:36 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: CA Conservative; Lazlo in PA

Look folks, this is a Democrat poll. Now we’re even comfortable with using that poll to game our selection process. Does that not cause shame for any of you? Seriously?

What the hell is wrong with you Perry people? This guy is not Conservative.

If this were April of 2012, and despite our best efforts Perry had run away with the nomination despite our best efforts to get Bachmann or Cain selected, I could see some sanity in what you’re doing.

The problem is, this is August of 2011. Right now we’re trying to get Conservative candidates to pull out, so Perry can run away with the nomination.

What is Conservative about that?

We are betraying what we said was our core beliefs. How can you folks do that with good conscience?


37 posted on 08/30/2011 10:10:39 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain 5 yrs Left/1 yr right "BAD!" - Republicans 3 yrs Right 1 year Left to elect RINOs. "Good?")
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To: SamAdams76
Rhetorical question...but why would anybody south of the Mason/Dixon line even considering voting for Mitt Romney? He just oozes that city-slicker Yankee elitist that most Southerners detest.

Well, Florida has been infested by a bunch of Yankees who have moved there to retire, so Mittens may do well there. Of course, if Florida doesn't move their primary back, they will lose half of their delegates, so even a Romney win there won't help him a whole lot.

38 posted on 08/30/2011 10:11:44 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: DoughtyOne

Show me where I have, in even once instance, encouraged or suggested ANY candidate should pull out. If you can’t (and you can’t) than you are a LIAR.


39 posted on 08/30/2011 10:11:44 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (Perry 2012! A Conservative who can win!)
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To: DoughtyOne

“It doesn’t occur to you at all, that a Democrat poll could be gamed to support the candidate the Left might desire?”

Can you site ANY OTHER POLL that shows a different result?

Thank you in advance.


40 posted on 08/30/2011 10:11:55 AM PDT by Grunthor (Perry.)
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To: CA Conservative

Anybody that believes any of these manufactured polls is simply naive.

There is no longer any science in political polling, has not been for years and years!

They are all filthy buggers with a agenda. It`s not even debatable. And for the record I have held this view years before I even heard of Sarah Palin


41 posted on 08/30/2011 10:12:20 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin 2012 or flippin bust)
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To: Grunthor
In fact, supporting any candidate BUT Palin is proof of Palin-hatred.

Well, DUH, of course it is!

(sarcasm)

I don't understand why this is here...???

/

42 posted on 08/30/2011 10:12:25 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("A gentleman considers what is just; a small man considers what is expedient.")
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To: DoughtyOne

“What the hell is wrong with you Perry people? This guy is not Conservative.”

Which is why he’s been elected governor of one of the most conservative states. 3 times.

‘kay.


43 posted on 08/30/2011 10:13:37 AM PDT by Grunthor (Perry.)
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To: JerseyDvl
From what I have seen thus far, Mitt acts entitled to the nomination and seems to believe “he is next”.

That might've been valid years ago, but with the TEA Party populating large swaths of the GOP, the day for that game has passed. Sorry, Mittens... you'll have to run on your record... oh, wait...

44 posted on 08/30/2011 10:13:52 AM PDT by ScottinVA (As a party that gives Obama what he wants, what again is the GOP`s 2012 selling point?I wonder whatl)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

You are correct. No sarc tag was needed.


45 posted on 08/30/2011 10:14:28 AM PDT by Grunthor (Perry.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Definition of DOUGHTY
: marked by fearless resolution : valiant

Should read:

Doughy:
adj : having the consistency of dough because of insufficient leavening or improper cooking; "the cake fell; it's a doughy mess" [syn: soggy]

46 posted on 08/30/2011 10:14:28 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (Perry 2012! A Conservative who can win!)
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To: Friendofgeorge

If polls are all faked, then why aren’t there any polls faked in a direction that you’d want to see? Seems there’d be a market for that, if we’re just inventing numbers?


47 posted on 08/30/2011 10:14:31 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: Friendofgeorge
There is no longer any science in political polling, has not been for years and years!

That's right! The only polls that mean anything are the ones that tell me what I want to hear!

48 posted on 08/30/2011 10:14:51 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("A gentleman considers what is just; a small man considers what is expedient.")
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To: Beagle8U

Are you a Conservative or aren’t you?

That’s the real question. Using a Democrat poll to support this likes of this guy raises the question.


49 posted on 08/30/2011 10:15:04 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain 5 yrs Left/1 yr right "BAD!" - Republicans 3 yrs Right 1 year Left to elect RINOs. "Good?")
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To: ScottinVA

Mittens & Huntsman need to withdraw & hold a double pity-party for themselves.

Ronmey is losing traction every day & Huntsman is only stealing funds that could be used elsewhere.

OTOH—Huntsman election paraphanalia will become priceless in about 100 years on Antiques Roadshow.


50 posted on 08/30/2011 10:15:42 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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