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Ramsey County charter panel spotlights Vikings stadium issue
St. Paul Pioneer Press ^ | August 30, 2011 | Frederick Melo

Posted on 08/30/2011 5:17:33 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement

Left-leaning activists and a vocal alliance of tea party conservatives are banding together with a common outlook: Public funding for private football stadiums makes little sense during a sour economy, they say, and the people, not lawmakers, should have the final vote.

The Ramsey County Charter Commission will meet Wednesday to discuss putting a question before voters about using a half-percent countywide sales tax to fund the proposed $1.1 billion Minnesota Vikings stadium, and meeting foes from the left and right are expected to attend.

The question probably won't make it to voters before the November 2012 election, but the support of the Charter Commission would at the very least further energize anti-stadium critics.

"The people of Ramsey County voted for the charter 20 years ago," said Andy Cilek, co-founder and president of the conservative-allied Minnesota Voters Alliance. "What comes with that? The right of referendum - the right to vote."

(Excerpt) Read more at twincities.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: minnesota; nfl; sradium; stadium; vikings

1 posted on 08/30/2011 5:17:38 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement
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To: ConservativeStatement

L.A. Vikings !?


2 posted on 08/30/2011 5:19:34 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: ConservativeStatement

public funds should never be spent on private purposes.


3 posted on 08/30/2011 5:20:14 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Para-Ord.45

That would rival “Utah Jazz” in a sense.


4 posted on 08/30/2011 5:23:30 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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To: ConservativeStatement

Yaaa, but think of all the real jobs it will create.. probably quite a few union ones too.. the old ammo plant site is perfect..


5 posted on 08/30/2011 5:31:54 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Public funding for private football stadiums makes no more sense during a sound economy.


6 posted on 08/30/2011 5:32:14 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: ConservativeStatement

The Los Angeles Lakers were originally the Minneapolis Lakers. Lakers made sense in Minnesota, the land of 10,000 lakes.

Sometimes nicknames change when teams move to another city. The Texas Rangers were originally the Washington Senators. The Minnesota Twins were the original Washington Senators franchise. The Tennessee Titans were the Tennessee Oilers for one season after moving from Houston, then adopted the Titans nickname. The Seattle Pilots became the Milwaukee Brewers when they moved to Milwaukee, adopting the old minor league team nickname for the beer city of Milwaukee.

Yep, it’s funny that the New Orleans Jazz remained the Jazz after moving to Utah.


7 posted on 08/30/2011 5:32:56 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: YHAOS

Stadiums .... we don’t need no stinking taxpayer funded stadiums.


8 posted on 08/30/2011 5:35:52 PM PDT by wetgundog (" Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is no Vice")
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Yep, it’s funny that the New Orleans Jazz remained the Jazz after moving to Utah.

It fits perfectly with all the Jazz you hear in Utah from Donny Osmond and The Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

9 posted on 08/30/2011 5:39:59 PM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Trivia time: What current NFL team was once known as the Boston Braves?


10 posted on 08/30/2011 5:43:08 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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To: ConservativeStatement

The answer is: The Washington Redskins were once known as the Boston Braves. Then they were the Boston Redskins, and moved to Washington and became the Washington Redskins.


11 posted on 08/30/2011 5:46:09 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego
What college team was named “the Ironmen?”
12 posted on 08/30/2011 5:49:30 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I want a Triple A president for our Triple A country)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I have to pass on this one, don’t know who the Ironmen were.


13 posted on 08/30/2011 5:51:53 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I don’t know the college team but that was the name of Pittsburgh’s pro basketball team in the pre-NBA days.


14 posted on 08/30/2011 5:53:51 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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To: ConservativeStatement

Iowa Hawkeyes.


15 posted on 08/30/2011 5:57:13 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I want a Triple A president for our Triple A country)
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To: GeronL
public funds should never be spent on private purposes.

Some argue that the economic potential of a given project is worthy of public fund investment. Whether that's true or not is not my interest.

As the mayor, (or whatever public official) I would lease the (at least the land) project to the private developers, and lock in future revenues (or their foreclosure) from the privateers. Public contribution would be recovered first, as part of the lease agreement, and default would favor the public inasmuch as title to the entire project is yielded in case of a default.

16 posted on 08/30/2011 6:12:27 PM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: Rudder

If the economic potential is there, a bank would be doing that. No public funds would be needed.


17 posted on 08/30/2011 6:13:51 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks ConservativeStatement.
Public funding for private football stadiums makes little sense during a sour economy...
...or any other time.

One libtard friend got pissed at a Pubbie he'd supported for governor of the state where he lives because he got money for a stadium in their city (among other pork barrels) cut out of a budget by threatening to veto the whole works. "Your city has cash, build it yourselves." Grumble grumble, never gonna vote for a Republican again, grouse grouse grouse.


18 posted on 08/30/2011 6:26:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: wetgundog

A VERY sore spot for me. Sometimes stadiums are torn down, while they are still being paid off, like Riverfront in Cincy, and the Kingdome in Seattle. Then they build a fresh new one at many multiples of the cost of the perfectly fine facilities that once stood. The original Vikings stadium, outdoors, too cold, lets build the Metrodome so we can have an indoor team for the Vikings and the Twins. Oooh, we hate the sterile indoor stadium feel. Lets build TWO outdoor stadiums!


19 posted on 08/30/2011 6:52:43 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: NormsRevenge

Yaaa, but think of all the real jobs it will create.. probably quite a few union ones too.. the old ammo plant site is perfect..


Ever wonder why all that land, prime land, in a good suburb has been sitting empty all this time.

It’s a super fund site. Only government would want it.

http://www.epa.gov/reg5sfun/sfd/npl/minnesota/MN7213820908.htm


20 posted on 08/30/2011 7:07:22 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: wetgundog
"we don’t need no stinking taxpayer funded stadiums."

I don't.

21 posted on 08/30/2011 7:17:18 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: YHAOS
Public funding for private football stadiums makes no more sense during a sound economy.

calling a football stadium "private" is total nonsense. First of all, it is used during the football season for games which draw untold millions of dollars into the area. It is used, outside the football season, for a myriad of other money making situations...concerts, revivals, whatever.... The team cannot take the stadium with them if they leave. A stadium is a large, expensive, investment in a city's future and in most cases it is a VERY wise investment. While the Indianapolis motor speedway is truly a private facility, it has all the benefits of a public facility except that the locality does not necessarily get a cut of the pie. Other than the Green Bay Packers who probably do own Lambeau Field, other teams, which are normally not locked into an everlasting contract to stay put, could not possibly afford to erect a "private" stadium to house 8 or 9 home games.

22 posted on 08/30/2011 7:22:54 PM PDT by terycarl (lurking, but well informed)
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To: GeronL
If the economic potential is there, a bank would be doing that. No public funds would be needed.

Yep. Voinovich found that out the hard way (here in Ohio).

23 posted on 08/30/2011 7:36:13 PM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: terycarl

Like convention centers, they usually do not benefit the area in any real way. Let the billionaire owners and millionaire players and the ticket buyers finance their own stadiums. Just like every other business.


24 posted on 08/30/2011 7:44:54 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

In North Dakota the nickname for the Tower City (pop. 250) high school teams is the Clams.

The girls’ teams of course are called the Bearded Clams.


25 posted on 08/30/2011 7:53:23 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: GeronL
Like convention centers, they usually do not benefit the area in any real way. Let the billionaire owners and millionaire players and the ticket buyers finance their own stadiums. Just like every other business

again I say nonsense, convention centers are a Godsend to a community...wrap up a few conventions, Motels, Hotels, restaurants, theaters, nightclubs, casinos, bring in tons of outside money. A professional team offers to do business in a city which will provide a venue suitable for their sport. Don't provide a facility...see ya, we'll choose a nearby city which appreciates what a professional sports team means to an area. The Braves moved from Boston to Milwaukee to Atlanta because of a situation where one city appreciated them over another city. On the other hand, I am a mayor of a large metropolitan area, we have just erected a state of the art facility (see Indianapolis Hoosier Dome) and we are looking for an occupant (see colts)...both sides benefit from the deal...the team makes tons of money as does the city. I see no problem with the city building facilities to attract possible profitable ventures. Indy, for example, built facilities including a velodrome to attract the Pan-American games a few years ago.....cities spend zillions of dollars to attract the olympics....usually very profitable.....once in a while, not so profitable. You cannot be a humdrum person, company, city, state, or country and gain attention. A community that actively seeks new business and sources of revenue is likely to get them

26 posted on 08/30/2011 8:19:35 PM PDT by terycarl (lurking, but well informed)
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To: terycarl

If they are profitable hen they do not need public assistance (corporate welfare). There are not enough conventions these days to support all the convention centers across the country, many sit idle for months at a time.


27 posted on 08/30/2011 8:36:01 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: terycarl
calling a football stadium "private" is total nonsense.

I was just sitting in a private football stadium on Monday. Telling you this could spoil your lunch, I know, but you brought it up.

First of all, it (a stadium) is used during the football season for games which draw untold millions of dollars into the area.

All the better that the attraction of a football team draws “untold millions of dollars” into an area. That permits the community to cover the cost of the public safety issues and other costs associated with the attraction, leaving them (hopefully) with benefits greater than the additional expenses involved. Why, then, should the community stand the extra expense of building and maintaining a facility from which private parties profit?

It is used, outside the football season, for a myriad of other money making situations...concerts, revivals, whatever....

From which the owners, be they “private” or “public,” will benefit, helping them to reap a return on their investment. And, again, the community benefits from the fallout of each attraction’s “draw” outside the stadium.

While the Indianapolis motor speedway is truly a private facility, it has all the benefits of a public facility except that the locality does not necessarily get a cut of the pie.

Why? Because the speedway is “truly” a private facility? The “untold millions of dollars” drawn into the area by the attraction magically disappear because the speedway is not a publicly funded facility? Explain that dynamic.

. . . teams, which are normally not locked into an everlasting contract to stay put, could not possibly afford to erect a "private" stadium to house 8 or 9 home games.

What about those “myriad” of other moneymaking attractions you mentioned? Do they go away simply because the facility is “private”? Jerry Jones, the only franchise owner I know of who has built his own stadium, doesn’t think they will. He expects to generate revenue from the large numbers of tourists who will pay simply to tour his new facility, not to mention the “myriad” of other moneymaking attractions his facility will attract.

Because a team was not locked into a long-term contract to stay put (not an “everlasting” contract, as you put it) a major media market went without an NFL franchise for twelve years, and a greater market has been without an NFL franchise even longer. What might have been their history had the franchise been more invested in the community and had they greater revenue sources than merely their single franchise?

28 posted on 08/31/2011 12:22:07 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Despite my opinion opposing taxpayer funded stadiums, have any of you been by the proposed site lately?
I’m calling this thing a done deal. That land was dormant for decades, but all of a sudden, they’re working it like mad! The old guard shack is occupied again, and the site’s being cleared. This is an inside job by Dayton and Ziggy.
Watch it fly.


29 posted on 08/31/2011 6:17:33 PM PDT by Fireone (Heating the tar and readying the feathers.)
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