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Legislature in California Set to Pass a Dream Act
The New York Times ^ | August 31, 2011 | JENNIFER MEDINA

Posted on 08/31/2011 6:27:11 PM PDT by moonshinner_09

LOS ANGELES — The California Legislature is poised to pass a law that would allow illegal immigrants to receive state-financed aid for college. Known as the California Dream Act, the bill underscores the ways states are navigating their own way through controversial immigration issues, as the Obama administration has been unable to make headway on plans for an overhaul of immigration laws. While the state law would do nothing to provide a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, it would provide them with more education benefits than they have in any other state. Advocates of the legislation say it would also send a powerful message to President Obama and Congress, forcing them to reconcile a patchwork of state laws that contradict one another.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; ca; dreamact; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration

1 posted on 08/31/2011 6:27:18 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

I wonder, how is California supposed to pay for this?


2 posted on 08/31/2011 6:30:11 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: moonshinner_09

Just another example of why a state run by dems is doomed.


3 posted on 08/31/2011 6:30:20 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: moonshinner_09

I think NYT got it wrong.

Maryland passed a DREAM-like act a few months ago. Gov. O’Malley signed it.
It would
provide community college and university tuition aid to certain
illegal immigrants who graduated from MD high schoools.

A bunch of grassroots people put together enough signatures
to put it on the ballot this November.
Thus, the DREAM-like law is on hold.


4 posted on 08/31/2011 6:30:31 PM PDT by preamble
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To: moonshinner_09

I think NYT got it wrong.

Maryland passed a DREAM-like act a few months ago. Gov. O’Malley signed it.
It would
provide community college and university tuition aid to certain
illegal immigrants who graduated from MD high schoools.

A bunch of grassroots people put together enough signatures
to put it on the ballot this November.
Thus, the DREAM-like law is on hold.


5 posted on 08/31/2011 6:30:46 PM PDT by preamble
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To: moonshinner_09

When are Holder’s boys and girls going to file the lawsuit against California. Isn’t this the feds job? What California is doing is “unconstitutional”.


6 posted on 08/31/2011 6:31:04 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (If the Tea Party was a bunch of Islamofascist "rebels", would the state run "media" like us too?)
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To: moonshinner_09

If they could only figure out what is causing them to be so far in debt they could start to deal with it.

Nothing seems to come to mind though......


7 posted on 08/31/2011 6:31:57 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Muslims who advocate, support, or carry out Jihad give the other 1% a bad name)
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To: moonshinner_09

California is following in Texas’ footsteps.


8 posted on 08/31/2011 6:34:09 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: moonshinner_09

Jennifer, drag that bleeding heart, liberal butt of yours across the Canadian border and make this country a better place.


9 posted on 08/31/2011 6:34:14 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: moonshinner_09

people are madder than h about this,

but it still passes.


10 posted on 08/31/2011 6:38:21 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: moonshinner_09

And that big dust cloud headed west out of Arizona isn’t one of those haboods or whatever the hell it is that the cookie cutter, Ken and Barbie news anchors in Phoenix call them. Some muzzie garbage.


11 posted on 08/31/2011 6:40:41 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (If the Tea Party was a bunch of Islamofascist "rebels", would the state run "media" like us too?)
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To: moonshinner_09

bump


12 posted on 08/31/2011 6:40:48 PM PDT by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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To: Morpheus2009

They cannot pay for it. They are counting on having a Dem President and a Dem congress in 2012 who will fund their foolishness under the banner of stimulus II.


13 posted on 08/31/2011 6:42:16 PM PDT by chuckee
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To: Morpheus2009

Calif will be asking China for a long term, Payday Loan with No Credit Check


14 posted on 08/31/2011 6:42:52 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09
This sounds like a good deal for illegal immigrants, but surprisingly, it is unlikely they will receive any education of value from a California university or college.

They don't know the few institutions that actually teach anything useful in landing a real world job or business.

Considering the astronomical tuition, most California institutions are engaging in fraud as their degrees have little in real world earning potential.

This is more about directing taxpayer cash to worthless tenured professors and administrators salaries than educating illegals.

15 posted on 08/31/2011 6:51:09 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Holy flippin' crap, Sarah rocks the world!)
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To: Morpheus2009
I wonder, how is California supposed to pay for this?

The same way the RATS pay for everything. Borrow and tax the hell out of us.

16 posted on 08/31/2011 6:58:37 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: moonshinner_09

I guess it is impossible to out-stupid California. Other states (such as Illinois, Michigan, New York, etc.) will have to vie for next to the stupidest state.


17 posted on 08/31/2011 7:01:59 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: Navy Patriot
It's actually the Hispanic caucus in the California legislature showing their "a$$".

The article has a new point in it ~ just as you think you've heard it all from the cheap labor crowd, they come up with a new one ~ now they want Congress to act to "reconcile a patchwork of state laws" ~ which means they want federal imposition of INSTATE TUITION for all illegals in all states!

Any of you folks on this thread who favor one of the numerous Republican candidates this year might get to your boy, or girl, and let them know that this is A NEW DEMAND and you want them to provide a FIRM POSITION.

Obviously the correct Conservative answer is NO INSTATE TUITION FOR FOREIGNERS, AND CERTAINLY NOT AHEAD OF AMERICANS!

18 posted on 08/31/2011 7:02:15 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: moonshinner_09

Where is the Holder DOJ and the lawsuits that must necessarily ensue to stop this state from doing the federal government’s job? Oh, wait...that only applies to states that try to enforce immigration LAWS that the federal government refuses to enforce.

The Obastard’s administration, and its corrupt DOJ, should be shown the door ASAP.


19 posted on 08/31/2011 7:04:36 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Community colleges in CA are already full. [Citizen] students cannot get the clases they want. Now they want to flood it with even more illegals—and finance them as well. What did they expect with Gov Moonbeam in charge?


20 posted on 08/31/2011 7:06:44 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: Morpheus2009

Caliifornia has a lot of money in their budget. They wouldn´t pass this Dream Act if they were in a pinch.. Now would they? Well, they know they’ll get money from Washington, as California is to BIG to go down in a blaze of flames.


21 posted on 08/31/2011 7:25:43 PM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: RetiredTexasVet

“I guess it is impossible to out-stupid California. Other states (such as Illinois, Michigan, New York, etc.) will have to vie for next to the stupidest state.”

Rick Perry has already signed legislation in Texas that grants In-State Tuition to Illegal Aliens.


22 posted on 08/31/2011 7:43:18 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: ken21

that’s is because the politicians and special interests in CA realize they are not accountable to the taxpayers and can do whatever they like to hold power without any concerns about having to answer for it. The unions, special interests and illegal aliens along with corrupt and incompetent politicians have a death grip on the state. The only good thing is they have not found a way to prevent people and businesses from leaving. At some point there will be no one left to pay for their ‘dream’ state.


23 posted on 08/31/2011 8:05:56 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: moonshinner_09

Perry going to make the signing and get a pen????


24 posted on 08/31/2011 8:13:57 PM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

The attorney general makes exceptions for cases involving some of his “people.”


25 posted on 08/31/2011 8:25:18 PM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy ("[Drug] crusaders cannot accept the fact that they are not God." -Thomas Sowell)
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To: trumandogz

Texas is hardly the only other state to do this, either. My state of New York has done it for years.


26 posted on 08/31/2011 8:25:58 PM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy ("[Drug] crusaders cannot accept the fact that they are not God." -Thomas Sowell)
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To: moonshinner_09

COSTING US BILLIONS

27 posted on 08/31/2011 8:32:15 PM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: Navy Patriot

“it is unlikely they will receive any education of value from a California university or college.”

You know what? This bill is insane. It’s probably illegal.

But California universities and colleges are the best in the country, if not the world. Yeah, I’m looking at you, Harvard.

We have the University of California system — that’s TEN campuses. Between Cal, UCLA, UC Santa Barbara, and UC San Diego, you can’t count the number of Nobel prizes. These are PUBLIC universities, mind you.

We have Cal Tech (which only put men on the moon and ushered in the computer age, no thanks to MIT), the Cal Poly schools, and let’s not forget Stanford.

And I don’t know where you get this “astronomical tuition” stuff. The UC and Cal State systems are dirt cheap compared to their Eastern counterparts.

We have a lot of problems here — including this bill — but our higher education system is something our parents and grandparents got right.

Oh, yeah, there’s also USC, but it sort of doesn’t belong on the list. Meh.


28 posted on 08/31/2011 8:38:57 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: moonshinner_09

You see... I thought there were Federal laws about housing or aiding an illegal immigrant. Were those laws wiped out?


29 posted on 08/31/2011 8:43:14 PM PDT by Revel
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To: moonshinner_09
If you believe in Keynesian economics (what our schools teach) this is stimulus money.
No different then digging trench's with a spoon and filling them back up.
30 posted on 08/31/2011 8:57:36 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: moonshinner_09

Can those of us in the sane counties PLEASE break away from the Marxists in L.A. and San Fran and Berzerkely and those other leftist hellholes? And can we get us a conservative governor that’ll veto any bills that hurt our sovereignty and/or economy?

Heck, I’d even say okay to Imperial County if it means severing the ties with Hollyweird and the bay area.


31 posted on 08/31/2011 9:17:05 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad ((((( )))))
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To: moonshinner_09

I used to scoff at Savage’s definition of liberalism as a mental disease, as I thought he was joking. Every day liberals prove him right. Every day liberals who run states and the federal government add more costs and regulations on businesses, driving them out of their states and ultimately out of the country, they prevent every business that increases jobs or tries to bring fossil sources of energy out of the ground, and increase costs on the governments themselves at a time when the governments in question are already broke! Who does this except a crazy person?


32 posted on 08/31/2011 9:17:24 PM PDT by winner3000 (ss)
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To: Blue Ink
But California universities and colleges are the best in the country

That statement is completely accurate,.....20 years ago.

The university that graduated the NASA pioneers that put US astronauts on the moon, is no more. Their latest graduates have created sterling examples of technology like MTBE, carbon banking and identical flu vaccine selections for successive flu seasons.

A sheepskin is worth what it's perceived value is, like fiat money. As soon as the public catches on, Cal is finished.

33 posted on 09/02/2011 5:01:24 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Holy flippin' crap, Sarah rocks the world!)
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