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Has the Tea Party Set a Trap for Rick Perry in South Carolina? (Amnesty)
The New Republic ^ | September 1, 2011 | Ed Kilgore

Posted on 08/31/2011 9:39:12 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

At first glance, Labor Day weekend looks like it could be a lot of fun for Rick Perry and his fans. The odds of a Sarah Palin candidacy continue to shrink to irrelevance as she wrestles with incompetent local Tea Party organizers in Iowa over a long-planned appearance just outside Des Moines. Mitt Romney’s temporary triumph in securing top billing at a Tea Party Express event in New Hampshire, meanwhile, is being spoiled by protests from Dick Armey’s FreedomWorks organization. And Mitt is also looking a bit humiliated by his last-minute decision to change plans and appear at a candidate inquisition in South Carolina organized by Jim DeMint. But Team Perry would be well advised to stay very alert this weekend. The same South Carolina event that is being widely billed as a spectacle of Mitt Romney bending his knee to kiss the ring of Jim DeMint could produce a nasty ambush for Perry on the subject of his immigration record.

It’s well known that Perry’s record and positions on immigration represent the one glaring area where he’s significantly out of step with conservative orthodoxy. He has, after all, consistently supported a guest-worker program and a path to citizenship for undocumented workers, both positions contemptuously dismissed as code for “amnesty” by many conservative activists. Worse yet, from their point of view, he signed and still defends a state version of the DREAM Act, which provides in-state tuition rates at state universities for illegal immigrants brought to this country as children. He opposes any modification of birthright citizenship. And he kept Texas off the bandwagon of states emulating Arizona’s SB 1070 law. Yes, he’s thundered a bit lately at the feds for their alleged failures in border enforcement. But by any measure, this is his Achilles heel when it comes to conservative ideological litmus tests, even if it is also a potential ace-in-the-hole in a general election, where the ability to avoid a calamitous loss among Hispanic voters could be the key to a GOP victory. Indeed, anti-immigrant demagogue Tom Tancredo published an op-ed on the eve of Perry’s announcement of his candidacy denouncing the governor’s record in terms normally reserved for Barack Obama.

So it’s well worth noting that the co-inquisitor who will be sitting next to Jim DeMint (along with right-wing Princeton professor Robert George) at the Palmetto Freedom Forum event on Labor Day will be none other than Tancredo’s successor as Congress’ preeminent anti-immigration agitator, Representative Steve King of Iowa. King, whose views on the subject are so extreme that he was denied the chairmanship of a House subcommittee on immigration despite being its senior member, can hardly be expected to pass up an opportunity to bash Perry’s record in the forum’s one-on-one questioning format. And he may have an additional motive to highlight Perry’s heresies: His closest friend in Congress, now that Tancredo is gone, is Michele Bachmann. In fact, King has not made an endorsement in the presidential race up until now because he wanted to be able to participate in this weekend’s event.

If Rick Perry does walk into a beatdown by King in Columbia, and doesn’t handle it well, the political consequences could be pretty serious. South Carolina is not a state where Republicans are particularly enamored of undocumented workers or sensitive about the Hispanic vote. If the extremely powerful Jim DeMint is looking for an excuse to support someone else or simply withhold his imprimatur, watching Perry squirm while his buddy King taunts him with a hot poker could provide an excellent excuse. And even more obviously, King is a major powerbroker back home in Iowa, and is likely capable of stopping Perry’s recent momentum in the state.

In other words, it’s not so clear Rick Perry is going to have an enjoyable Labor Day weekend. It could turn out to involve a barbecue where the Texan is himself on the grill.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: amnesty; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; immigration; laraza; maldef; openborders; palin; perrito; perry; ricardo; rinofreeamerica; teaparty; texas; texican
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1 posted on 08/31/2011 9:39:19 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Much ado o'er nothing.
Perry will be the lead alpha male at the event. The others will behave accordingly.
2 posted on 08/31/2011 9:43:13 PM PDT by jla
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am not voting for a “Dream Act supporter” unless he runs against Obama. Then, I force myself.


3 posted on 08/31/2011 9:44:42 PM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Perry has been through all of this stuff before.
He aint skeered


4 posted on 08/31/2011 9:46:35 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Perry has to know this is coming. His whole dance around whether or not to get in or get out was just a stalling mechanism for his game planners to come up with the strategy to deal with this issue primarily and to a lessor extent his attempt at land grab for Texas Corridor and his problem with Guardasil. I suspect he’ll be ready for the challenge - and if he isn’t - well, we better not put him up against the media darling Obama anyway.
Anyone who shoots coyotes while jogging in Austin should be up to this task.


5 posted on 08/31/2011 9:46:36 PM PDT by Froggie (uires)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Perry wants the feds to stop the illegal alien invasion, and the drug war on the borderlands. He will also ruthlessly drive the marxist communist pan-leninists out of Washington and out of the government.


6 posted on 08/31/2011 9:52:19 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lib media non-news; Perry is dangerous to them because he has crossover appeal (think ‘Reagan Democrats’ and blue-collar independents) and is therefore highly electable. They are desperate to slow down his momentum.


7 posted on 08/31/2011 9:57:23 PM PDT by rfp1234
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To: rfp1234
...crossover appeal (think ‘Reagan Democrats’ and blue-collar independents) and is therefore highly electable. They are desperate to slow down his momentum.

I am starting to believe this. I've read similar views lately.

-Six Whiskey Tango

8 posted on 08/31/2011 10:03:07 PM PDT by 386wt
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

SNIP: Mitt Romney’s temporary triumph in securing top billing at a Tea Party Express event in New Hampshire

Momney, Tea Party... No Way


9 posted on 08/31/2011 10:04:59 PM PDT by Java4Jay
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He has, after all, consistently supported a guest-worker program and a path to citizenship for undocumented workers, both positions contemptuously dismissed as code for “amnesty” by many conservative activists.

Nice try, The New Republic. Don't even think we're going to let you set the terms of the discussion.

Guest worker programs have been around for decades. Nobody has a problem with that.

As for a path to citizenship, it depends on what Perry's idea of what that path looks like.

I think we can keep him in line if he tries to pass something that smells of amnesty.

The way I see it, if there's enough Tea Partiers in The House and Senate to stop President Bamboozle from getting his way (ha!), then there should be enough to stop President Perry from going off the reservation on certain issues.

I think it's worth taking a chance.

10 posted on 08/31/2011 10:05:08 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So The New Republic is concerned about our candidates now? Worried of an ambush? What am I missing here? Ed Kilgore first of all is an avowed Perry hater. He despises Perry. He despises the religious as well.

From his piece titled: Yes, Perry and Bachmann Are Religious Radicals

In that sense, major presidential candidates like Perry and Bachmann really are something new under the sun. They embody a newly ascendant strain of conservatism that is indeed radical or extremist in its claims to represent not just good economics or good governance, but eternal verities that popular majorities can help implement but can never overturn. They deserve all the scrutiny they have attracted, and more.

How about this gem from this honest observer in his piece titled:Rick Perry: Why He’s Not the Man to Save the GOP

But Perry’s ultimate stroke of luck could be in appearing on the scene at a time when the Republican Party considers the power of its ideology, not the brains or accomplishments of its leaders, its trump card in 2012.

So we are a bunch of dopes just pushing ideology as far as he is concerned. Ed Kilgore can kiss my ass. Pushing him as an expert on anything is silly.

11 posted on 08/31/2011 10:07:52 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; org.whodat; cripplecreek; TADSLOS; BobL; raybbr; truthfreedom; CowboyJay; ...

I’ll pass on both RINO Mitt Perry and his pro-ILLEGAL alien record.


12 posted on 08/31/2011 10:07:52 PM PDT by South40 (Perry: There is a path to citizenship for ILLEGAL ALIENS who have served THEIR country)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Putting aside the obvious agit-prop Alinsky tactics of the author, I rather think that Mr. Perry is quite adept at managing attempted ambushes, and I rather doubt that his campaign team would let him walk in there like a naif on a Sunday school outing.


13 posted on 08/31/2011 10:14:55 PM PDT by Oceander (The phrase "good enough for government work" is not meant as a compliment)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He has, after all, consistently supported a guest-worker program and a path to citizenship for undocumented workers, both positions contemptuously dismissed as code for seen for what they are “amnesty” by many conservative activists.

Yes, we see through the doublespeak. We know amnesty when we see it. Add that to his record of instate tuition for ILLEGAL aliens, his opposition to the border fence, his opposition to Arizona attempting to defend herself from the ILLEGAL hordes and it becomes painfully clear, a pro-ILLEGAL alien RINO is a pro-ILLEGAL alien RINO, be his name Juan McCain or RINO Mitt Perry.

14 posted on 08/31/2011 10:15:02 PM PDT by South40 (Perry: There is a path to citizenship for ILLEGAL ALIENS who have served THEIR country)
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To: South40

15 posted on 08/31/2011 10:17:24 PM PDT by South40 (Perry: There is a path to citizenship for ILLEGAL ALIENS who have served THEIR country)
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To: South40
I'll see your graphic, and raise you:


16 posted on 08/31/2011 10:18:29 PM PDT by Oceander (The phrase "good enough for government work" is not meant as a compliment)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So it’s well worth noting that the co-inquisitor who will be sitting next to Jim DeMint (along with right-wing Princeton professor Robert George) at the Palmetto Freedom Forum event on Labor Day will be none other than Tancredo’s successor as Congress’ preeminent anti-immigration agitator, Representative Steve King of Iowa.

OOPS! Gov. Perry better watch what he says around Rep. King. I have met him and spent time standing right next to the guy while he checked out what is really going on on the Texas Border. I was running comms in the Suburban he was riding in and was answering his questions on and off for hours while we were ON the border as in toss a rock in the water and it was nowhere near any city, town or village.

Steve King is the real deal and Rick Perry ain't gonna blow any smoke at him.

This just got very interesting.

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17 posted on 08/31/2011 10:22:01 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Oceander
lol! I can make them large also but it's not about size, it's about content. I'm promoting conservatism on this conservative website. You are promoting a pro-ILLEGAL alien, RINO. Therefore, I win by default. :-)


18 posted on 08/31/2011 10:24:56 PM PDT by South40 (Perry: There is a path to citizenship for ILLEGAL ALIENS who have served THEIR country)
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To: South40

You’re promoting nothing of the sort; you’re promoting a second term for Barack Obama.


19 posted on 08/31/2011 10:26:05 PM PDT by Oceander (The phrase "good enough for government work" is not meant as a compliment)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; rabscuttle385; mkjessup; Gilbo_3; ...

Perry amnesty ping!


20 posted on 08/31/2011 10:27:23 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Over-taxed means 'paying too much in taxes', not zero taxes)
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To: Oceander
RINO Mitt Perry is not conservative enough for me so I want a flaming liberal? Yup, that's about as much logic as one can expect from a Perry apologist.

Great logic.

21 posted on 08/31/2011 10:32:43 PM PDT by South40 (Perry: There is a path to citizenship for ILLEGAL ALIENS who have served THEIR country)
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To: Texas Eagle

{I think we can keep him in line if he tries to pass something that smells of amnesty.}

Just like we have kept the won in line, like he hasn’t issued executive orders that all but nullify the current immigration law. I have heard crickets chirp louder than the Republican leadership, on this complete usurpation of the authority of Congress.


22 posted on 08/31/2011 10:36:22 PM PDT by itsahoot (--I will still vote for Sarah Palin, even if she doesn't run.--My vote is already bought, so move on)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There aren’t really two parties, there’s only one. The Washington, DC Party. It’s a big fat two-legged socialist beast. And even it does the Texas two-step for awhile, again, that won’t change the direction it always heads.


23 posted on 08/31/2011 10:48:07 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The GOP elites have already decided for you, obligatory lip service notwithstanding.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A trap? Is that like having to face "gotcha questions"?
Heaven forbid these 'public servants' would have to publicly defend
their records and clearly state their positions to earn voters' support.

BTW, immigration is but one of Perry's glaring conservative shortcomings.

"...It’s well known that Perry’s record and positions on immigration represent the one glaring area where he’s significantly out of step with conservative orthodoxy. ..."

24 posted on 08/31/2011 10:51:37 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Sapere Aude!" --Immanuel Kant)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It looks like we are about to find out if Jim DeMint is the real deal. Since if he is as anti-illegal immigrant as he is portrayed, then he and Perry have some serious issues.

Perry might wanna get a stomach virus to excuse himself from this event. Unless of course, he has already made a deal with DeMint. In this case, DeMint will prove himself a fraud.

I’m going with DeMint as the real deal. If he proves me wrong, then I’ll place him right up there with Obama.


25 posted on 08/31/2011 10:53:48 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (Repeal the 16th amendment . Send Islam packing to their homeland.)
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To: calcowgirl
A trap? Is that like having to face "gotcha questions"? Heaven forbid these 'public servants' would have to publicly defend their records and clearly state their positions to earn voters' support. BTW, immigration is but one of Perry's glaring conservative shortcomings. "...It’s well known that Perry’s record and positions on immigration represent the one glaring area where he’s significantly out of step with conservative orthodoxy.

Now where is your 'compassion'? s/ What gets real curious is to read what these Perry pushers really think of their illegal cheap labors... Their com'passion' is all about $$$$$ in their own personal bank accounts. They do NOT care about the rest of US forced to fund education and health care. Our 'safety' from the criminals invited in to do their trade is not even on their radar.

26 posted on 08/31/2011 10:57:44 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: takenoprisoner

Sen. DeMint endorsed Milt Romney last time.


27 posted on 08/31/2011 10:59:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: mylife

Rick Perry’s camp defends 1993 HillaryCare praise
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2770985/posts

Cost of Perry’s security team to stay secret for 18 months
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7631273.html

Rick Perry — king of corporate welfare
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/08/15/2360707/rick-perry-king-of-corporate-welfare.html

Perry to protect undocumented-immigrant tuition
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/special/07/legislature/4465044.html

Schwarzenegger, Perry, Napolitano, Richardson urge “comprehensive” immigration reform
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2763274/posts?page=1

Perry works toward increasing H1Bs...
http://www.globalmobilityreport.com/50226711/us_governors_seek_h1b_visa_increase.php

Governor Perry throws support behind H1Bs
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9776360-7.html

Perry opposes border fence
http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/006987.html

The company Perry keeps
http://www.nclr.org/index.php/issues_and_programs/immigration/state_local_immigration_initiatives/arizona-related_legislative_developments/2010_highlights/governors/


28 posted on 08/31/2011 11:01:04 PM PDT by Fred ('Just cus I said it, don't mean I meant it'....Obamaism)
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To: takenoprisoner

DeMint supported Romney in the last election. I don’t know why anyone would think he would have any problem supporting some other RINO.


29 posted on 08/31/2011 11:02:02 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The GOP elites have already decided for you, obligatory lip service notwithstanding.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Sen. DeMint endorsed Milt Romney last time.

I won't hold that against him. I was mostly anyone but McCain. Well, less a few unmentionables. At least he didn't endorse Julie.

30 posted on 08/31/2011 11:11:53 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (Repeal the 16th amendment . Send Islam packing to their homeland.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I hope they ask the questions, so we can here Perry answer them. They are valid questions.


31 posted on 08/31/2011 11:12:56 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Just mythoughts
Now where is your 'compassion'?

It ran low during the GWB presidency -- and Obama done taken the rest.
I'm completely tapped out. ;-)

32 posted on 08/31/2011 11:19:58 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Sapere Aude!" --Immanuel Kant)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m more or less pro-Perry at this point, but I expect him to stand tall and take his licks for this. If he can make the case that his strengths are worth overlooking his weaknesses, then so be it. If not, he deserves to fail. That’s why we have this process.


33 posted on 08/31/2011 11:20:11 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: calcowgirl
It ran low during the GWB presidency -- and Obama done taken the rest. I'm completely tapped out. ;-)

Ah but in the 'purists'

(love to hate that word since it was birthed by the high minded moderates over amnesty otherwise camouflaged as 'compassionate conservatism')

sense of the word compassion comes from within, cannot be dictated or legislated.

34 posted on 08/31/2011 11:28:49 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts
'purists' (love to hate that word since it was birthed by the high minded moderates over amnesty otherwise camouflaged as 'compassionate conservatism')

I was accused of being a purist for not supporting Schwarzenegger.

Ah but in the 'purists' sense of the word compassion comes from within, cannot be dictated or legislated.

Agreed. Let's just say I have two kinds of compassion: 1) that available to satisfy government mandates and 2) that generated from within.
I'm tapped out of category 1. Category 2 is almost limitless.

35 posted on 08/31/2011 11:43:59 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Sapere Aude!" --Immanuel Kant)
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To: South40

who then. i have the same problem.


36 posted on 09/01/2011 1:16:41 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Oceander
Conservatives will sit out an amnesty supporter like Perry so you can reelect Obummer. Call amnesty McCain at the white-house if you doubt that one.
37 posted on 09/01/2011 1:17:14 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: Texas Eagle

“The way I see it, if there’s enough Tea Partiers in The House and Senate to stop President Bamboozle from getting his way (ha!), then there should be enough to stop President Perry from going off the reservation on certain issues.”

Exactly! And Perry would be a damned sight better than BHO because, even though more conservatives in House and Senate could stop BHO on many things, he’s signed many horrific EO’s under the radar and would continue this, he’s appointed two radical, anti-Constitution SC justices (so far!), he’s using czars and cabinet heads to do his bidding by completely bypassing Congress, and his anti-US, anti-Israel, pro-Islamist foreign policy is destroying us with both friends and foes.

Like him or not, Perry, by no stretch, has a goal of taking our country down.

BHO does.

The simple fact is that we MUST have an electable candidate or BHO wins four more years and America’s done.

Yes, Perry’s worth the risk if that’s how it turns out. I think he’d hold his own in debate against BHO, while Romney would get shaken, which I saw him do in the primaries of ‘08.


38 posted on 09/01/2011 1:23:56 AM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

That’s just how I feel about it.


39 posted on 09/01/2011 1:33:35 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Unbelievable to me. After so much anger and conservative rhetoric and ‘no more RINO’ talk these last few years, the GOP powers that be and their perfumed money boys are trying to shove another jackass down our throats. Perry is a left wing version of George Bush and one of the few candidates that make old McCain seem conservative.


40 posted on 09/01/2011 2:22:27 AM PDT by Desolation Row
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To: Oceander

Oh bullshite!!! I’m sick of people like you whining that anyone opposing Perry is supporting obama. That’s a load of crap.
If it gets down to Perry vs Obama I’ll vote Perry, but right now I’d like to see someone else as I am not enamored with Perry as you are.


41 posted on 09/01/2011 4:13:42 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’d like to ask him if Bi National health insurance would be for Canadian “border dwellers” as well.


42 posted on 09/01/2011 4:35:01 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The GOP has been "moderated" into a coma.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Perry does not favor amnesty for illegal aliens.

He has expressed support for what was formerly termed a Bracero program. That program granted the privilege to aliens to legally and temporarily enter the US to work in seasonal agricultural jobs. When the season was over the Braceros had to return to their own countries.

Pisses me off that Perry’s detractors want to constantly brand him as being in favor of amnesty for illegal aliens. He has not said or done anything in support of making them legal US citizens.


43 posted on 09/01/2011 5:03:18 AM PDT by octex
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To: Texas Eagle
Guest worker programs have been around for decades. Nobody has a problem with that

In technical fields on shore 'guest workers' enable off-shoring the bulk of the work to place where one can live quite well on less than the taxes paid by most Americans.

Approximately 40% of the 40 million+ illegals are visa overstays.

FYI long before the alphabet soup of 'guest worker' visas began under 'free trade' agreements the US had no problem bringing in the 'brightest and the best'.
44 posted on 09/01/2011 5:07:22 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: Oceander; South40
You’re promoting nothing of the sort; you’re promoting a second term for Barack Obama.

The reason the country is in the sad state it is currently is because of people 'holding their noses' and voting for whatever trash the republican elite support on the ballot. This has allowed to republican party to sidle further and further left. Had McCain won we would be in no better shape - just better window dressing! McCain would have done behind your back what Obama does in your face!
45 posted on 09/01/2011 5:12:44 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
If it gets down to Perry vs Obama I’ll vote Perry, but right now I’d like to see someone else as I am not enamored with Perry as you are.

I don't care much for Perry either. He seems like a lefty GW who's a better actor and can pronounce "nuclear".

46 posted on 09/01/2011 5:45:40 AM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: llandres

I agree. Just to be safe,though, we should elect more Tea Partiers. A little insurance never hurt anyone.


47 posted on 09/01/2011 5:50:29 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Java4Jay

I will keep saying it. The Tea Party is ruining itself. They need to back away from all the politicians, in or still out of the race.

Now we have Orin Hatch, John McCain, all using the Tea party.

Who next? Olympia Snowe? Susan Collins? Linseed?

Geesh, no wonder Tea Party is losing steam. That according to latest Rasmussen polling. The independent, grass roots spontaneity is almost gone. Now we have events showcasing politicians.


48 posted on 09/01/2011 5:58:33 AM PDT by dforest
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To: South40; All

Perry for President!!!!!!

....of Mexico !


49 posted on 09/01/2011 6:47:06 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: algernonpj; Liz; South40

” The reason the country is in the sad state it is currently is because of people ‘holding their noses’ and voting for whatever trash the republican elite support on the ballot. This has allowed to republican party to sidle further and further left. Had McCain won we would be in no better shape - just better window dressing! McCain would have done behind your back what Obama does in your face! “

Post of the day!


50 posted on 09/01/2011 6:48:49 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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