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Generation Limbo: Waiting It Out (Ivy League grads on foodstamps)
New York Times ^ | August 31, 2011 | JENNIFER 8. LEE

Posted on 09/01/2011 5:13:17 AM PDT by reaganaut1

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Meet the members of what might be called Generation Limbo: highly educated 20-somethings, whose careers are stuck in neutral, coping with dead-end jobs and listless prospects.

And so they wait: for the economy to turn, for good jobs to materialize, for their lucky break. Some do so bitterly, frustrated that their well-mapped careers have gone astray. Others do so anxiously, wondering how they are going to pay their rent, their school loans, their living expenses — sometimes resorting to once-unthinkable government handouts.

“We did everything we were supposed to,” said Stephanie Morales, 23, who graduated from Dartmouth College in 2009 with hopes of working in the arts. Instead she ended up waiting tables at a Chart House restaurant in Weehawken, N.J., earning $2.17 an hour plus tips, to pay off her student loans. “What was the point of working so hard for 22 years if there was nothing out there?” said Ms. Morales, who is now a paralegal and plans on attending law school.

Some of Ms. Morales’s classmates have found themselves on welfare. “You don’t expect someone who just spent four years in Ivy League schools to be on food stamps,” said Ms. Morales, who estimates that a half-dozen of her friends are on the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. A few are even helping younger graduates figure out how to apply. “We are passing on these traditions on how to work in the adult world as working poor,” Ms. Morales said.

But then there are people like Ms. Kelly and Ms. Klein, who are more laissez-faire. With the job market still bleak, their motto might as well be: “No career? No prospects? No worries!” (Well, at least for the time being.)

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: bhoeconomy; college; foodstamps; generationy; ivyleague; welfare
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1 posted on 09/01/2011 5:13:18 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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...Stephanie Morales, 23, who graduated from Dartmouth College in 2009 with hopes of working in the arts. Instead she ended up waiting tables at a Chart House restaurant in Weehawken, N.J., earning $2.17 an hour plus tips, to pay off her student loans. “What was the point of working so hard for 22 years if there was nothing out there?” said Ms. Morales, who is now a paralegal and plans on attending law school.

So she can run up another $100K or so in debt to add to her already huge student loans.

2 posted on 09/01/2011 5:17:03 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: reaganaut1

Here in Michigan we just cut some 30,000 college students off food stamps. When Granholm was governor all college students good food stamps regardless of need. Trust fund babies and full scholarship students were getting food stamps despite the fact that they didn’t need them.

Seemed like a terrible way to start their adult lives.


3 posted on 09/01/2011 5:17:55 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The GOP has been "moderated" into a coma.)
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To: reaganaut1

“We did everything we were supposed to,”

Who did you vote for again?


4 posted on 09/01/2011 5:18:46 AM PDT by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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To: Rummyfan

Sounds like she intends to be a professional student.


5 posted on 09/01/2011 5:19:34 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The GOP has been "moderated" into a coma.)
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To: cripplecreek

“Seemed like a terrible way to start their adult lives.”

Unless you have an ulterior motive like growing zombie Democrat voters.


6 posted on 09/01/2011 5:20:17 AM PDT by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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To: reaganaut1
“You don’t expect someone who just spent four years in Ivy League schools to be on food stamps,”

Translation: You don't expect someone with an Ivy League education to work a job beneath their eduction. I purposefully did not use the word "skills" because they don't have any.

“No career? No prospects? No worries!”

Translation: Daddy will take care of me.

These lazy lowlifes make me sick. Starting at the bottom and struggling your way up is one thing, I can understand a hand up once in a while. However, these pukes started at the top. Feh!

7 posted on 09/01/2011 5:23:11 AM PDT by numberonepal (Palin/Cain 2012)
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To: reaganaut1

hopes of working in the arts....

there’s your problem right there, worthless degree.


8 posted on 09/01/2011 5:23:50 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: reaganaut1

Wow! Having to work as a waitress while waiting for a job in the “Arts”.

This was so unexpected.


9 posted on 09/01/2011 5:23:49 AM PDT by yuleeyahoo (Liberty is not collective, it is personal. All liberty is individual liberty. - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: reaganaut1
“We did everything we were supposed to,” said Stephanie Morales, 23, who graduated from Dartmouth College in 2009 with hopes of working in the arts.

Most of these expensive degrees are worthless. The sooner this bubble deflates, the better.

10 posted on 09/01/2011 5:25:03 AM PDT by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: reaganaut1

——well mapped careers-——

There is not really such a thing


11 posted on 09/01/2011 5:25:16 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Rats carry plague)
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To: reaganaut1
highly educated 20-somethings

PFFFFT! Define this "high education." High as in stoned? Maybe. Today's colleges are churning out robots spewing garbage. I encourage everyone to search Google for theses and dissertations and read some of the executive summaries. They're leftist drivel with no substance, in most cases.

12 posted on 09/01/2011 5:25:22 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: reaganaut1

These kids have a hugely inflated sense of entitlement. Just wait until they find that perfect job in Government! When they get their chance, they will use what they believe are their oversized and highly trained brains to fix things good and hard for you little people!


13 posted on 09/01/2011 5:26:00 AM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: cripplecreek
Sounds like she intends to be a professional student.

Being a professional student is not a bad life. The trick is getting someone to pay for it. Mom, Dad, your fellow citizens....

14 posted on 09/01/2011 5:26:26 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: reaganaut1

If they are such great students, they should go to the real source of meaningful jobs. Visit your local military service recruiter. Can you say Lieutenant instead of Ms.?


15 posted on 09/01/2011 5:27:25 AM PDT by BlowNegative (The Thing about Silent Warfare - Don't leave footprints)
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To: reaganaut1

Generation Limbo thought it was a good idea to vote for Odumbo.

Elections have consequences.


16 posted on 09/01/2011 5:28:38 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: listenhillary

My niece has a full scholarship with a stipend for food and she was also eligible for the food stamps under Granholm’s plan.


17 posted on 09/01/2011 5:30:39 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The GOP has been "moderated" into a coma.)
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To: reaganaut1
Said Miss Morales, 23, “......working so hard for 22 years if there was nothing out there?” said Ms. Morales...”

Let's see...she's 23 and has been working “so hard for 22 years...”??? Nothing like starting young but if her math is no better than that we may have a clue to some of her problems.

As for the rest, if they went to school so as to get a good paying job, why would anyone go into “the arts”? Or some field where no has hired for ever?

If their goal was self satisfaction and personal development paying out tons of money for an education was a waste of money.

18 posted on 09/01/2011 5:42:59 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: reaganaut1

I don’t know who advises these people but they’ve been sold a bill of goods. A guy graduates with a business degree expecting to become a consultant? And another expected to find a job in advertising.

One among them should take the opportunity of modern telecommunications to form a website of advice on realistic job prospects.


19 posted on 09/01/2011 5:53:39 AM PDT by decimon
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To: numberonepal

You must have a job.

Where I am, the young guys just don’t get a break. They are literally scraping pennies off places, cutting tree limbs on jobs from Craig’s list.

You have a lot of nerve calling them “pukes.” what do you suggest for them, genius?


20 posted on 09/01/2011 5:55:36 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: reaganaut1
“I’m fulfilling my artistic goals,” Ms. Klein said.

....NANCY PELOSI: Think of an economy where people could be an artist or a photographer or a writer without worrying about keeping their day job in order to have health insurance....

21 posted on 09/01/2011 5:56:23 AM PDT by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: PGR88

I don’t think it is too much to ask to have a job somewhere doing something. all you hard hearted job holders must not have college age kids who can’t get their foot in the door.


22 posted on 09/01/2011 5:57:24 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: ladyvet
NANCY PELOSI: Think of an economy where people could be an artist or a photographer or a writer without worrying about keeping their day job in order to have health insurance

A few years back, HUD built a regular Utopia for them in Jackson Michigan. They call it an "art colony" but what it really is, is low income housing for drug addicts and and lazy bastards with crayons.
23 posted on 09/01/2011 6:00:08 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The GOP has been "moderated" into a coma.)
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To: yldstrk

What is your solution?

Should Obama mandate that private industry should create 25 million jobs next Monday? Or borrow a couple of more trillion dollars and have them work for the government until we burn through that money also? Then what?

I’m curious who these students voted for. The Hope and Changey dude?


24 posted on 09/01/2011 6:06:08 AM PDT by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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To: reaganaut1
“We did everything we were supposed to,” said Stephanie Morales, 23, who graduated from Dartmouth College in 2009 with hopes of working in the arts. Instead she ended up waiting tables at a Chart House restaurant in Weehawken, N.J., earning $2.17 an hour plus tips, to pay off her student loans. “What was the point of working so hard for 22 years if there was nothing out there?

Apparently she did everything except get a marketable degree in an in-demand field.

25 posted on 09/01/2011 6:08:50 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: reaganaut1

It was worse in 1980.


26 posted on 09/01/2011 6:11:20 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: listenhillary

What is my solution? I will tell you my solution.

Repeal Obamacare so that business is not afraid to hire the people it needs. Repeal the minimum wage. Revoke environmental regulations and statutes that make things impossible. Create a business friendly environment.


27 posted on 09/01/2011 6:11:34 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: cripplecreek

I like your line,
“lazy bastards with crayons”


28 posted on 09/01/2011 6:16:13 AM PDT by certrtwngnut
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To: yldstrk

We agree totally on the fix.

A majority of these rock the vote, were going to change the world college age voters gave us mmm mmm mmm Barack Hussein Obama as president. It is a shame that we are all suffering from their idealist nonsense voting behavior.

Now we are supposed to feel sorry for them?


29 posted on 09/01/2011 6:18:03 AM PDT by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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To: yldstrk; numberonepal

You asked numberonepal:

“You have a lot of nerve calling them “pukes.” what do you suggest for them, genius?”

Yet you have said this as well: “What is my solution? I will tell you my solution. Repeal Obamacare so that business is not afraid to hire the people it needs. Repeal the minimum wage. Revoke environmental regulations and statutes that make things impossible. Create a business friendly environment.”

And you can accomplish all of that by yourself, right? numberonepal is closer to the mark. Don’t get me wrong, I want Obamacare repealed, but Obamacare is only a symptom of a greater problem. I think numberonepal was alluding to that greater problem: many young people have little or no skills for the real world, their education is a sham, they often have no work ethic, they often assume they will start off high up rather than entry level, and they feel so damn entitled!

And many of those young people VOTED FOR OBAMA!!! They are reaping what they sowed.


30 posted on 09/01/2011 6:18:06 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: yldstrk
I don’t think it is too much to ask to have a job somewhere doing something. all you hard hearted job holders must not have college age kids who can’t get their foot in the door.

You are correct, but I think Freepers are generally very skeptical of the skills and attitude of what are perceived as arrogant Ivy-League students (at least as portrayed by the NY Times). No one is "entitled" to a job.

I had a good degree, in economics, from a famous university - my first job? Counting stock in a warehouse. I too felt very put-upon. It took a few years of working in the REAL world to adjust my ego and attitude.

31 posted on 09/01/2011 6:18:54 AM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: central_va
No it wasn't.

Unemployment is much much higher now.

Plus, the national debt has hollowed out our nation.

In the late 1970's and early 1980's we still have somewhat of a manufacturing base. The EPA, NAFTA, and other ignorant regulations killed that. It's much harder to start a small business now.
32 posted on 09/01/2011 6:19:41 AM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: vladimir998
That is a myth.

The baby boomers hippies gave us Obama.
33 posted on 09/01/2011 6:20:54 AM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: listenhillary

They are dumb kids.

And besides, only a few of us could see what a fake obama was. So yeah, they need a job.


34 posted on 09/01/2011 6:23:01 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

Can we only let them vote at 18 if they are serving in the military?

These dumb kids could put the final nail in the coffin of this 230 year old shining city on a hill with their next vote.


35 posted on 09/01/2011 6:26:37 AM PDT by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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To: reaganaut1
“What was the point of working so hard for 22 years if there was nothing out there?”

It's perfect preparation for the 50 years that follows.

36 posted on 09/01/2011 6:30:15 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Nobody was hiring in 1980 and 81. The biggest difference I see between the situation then and now is that back in the early 80’s you couldn’t even get a stupid McDonald’s job or manual labor job to hold you over. There was literally nothing out there. Now the stupid jobs are out there all over the place.


37 posted on 09/01/2011 6:34:19 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: listenhillary

Yeah, I know what you mean.


38 posted on 09/01/2011 6:36:33 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: vladimir998

vlad

yeah, I can’t accomplish it by myself, very true and I am distraught over our future.


39 posted on 09/01/2011 6:38:25 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: rarestia
I encourage everyone to search Google for theses and dissertations and read some of the executive summaries.

Amen! Whenever we go to games at my Alma Mater, I get the university newspaper to read, which has all the thesis defense schedules for that week. What a bunch of useless research. All "soft sciences" and feel good idiocy instead of the hard sciences and engineering when I was there. No evidence provided that the ideas will WORK (as with most social crap). What a tragedy. I'll bet I could just start writing off the top of my head and end up with a dissertation that's as good as any of that stuff.
40 posted on 09/01/2011 6:42:10 AM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: yldstrk

It would be interesting for someone with the assets and time could set up entrepreneurial training centers. Add mentors and advisers that the new small business owners could consult. Let them share office facilities, accounting services.

Make it clear that applicants to this program are expected to produce results. Their business plan should include paying back their training costs.

Zero government funding. Anything they touch seems to turn to feces.


41 posted on 09/01/2011 6:51:11 AM PDT by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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To: central_va
True.

The difference now is the internet. Communication is easier now & it's a vital tool in circumventing centralization.

But the debt is way worse... inflation would have to be jacked up to a height that Paul Volker couldn't have dreamed of in the 1980's.
42 posted on 09/01/2011 7:02:00 AM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Minus_The_Bear

What is a myth?

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1031/young-voters-in-the-2008-election

Young voters wanted Obama. Now they’ve got him...in spades.


43 posted on 09/01/2011 7:02:28 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Minus_The_Bear

If you confine the argument to JUST unemployment, 1980/81 was worse, way worse.


44 posted on 09/01/2011 7:09:22 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
Uh... yeah.

Republicans have never won the the youth vote. Not since 1968.

But the myth that Obama won because of the "youth vote" is a media creation.

The youth vote was no larger in 2008 than any other election year.

The the baby boomer hippies gave us Obama
45 posted on 09/01/2011 7:09:39 AM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: yldstrk
You must have a job.

I have 3, thank you very much. Where I am, the young guys just don’t get a break.

Is where you are crawling with Ivy League graduates looking for careers? I'm not talking about the average Joe here. I'm talking about silver spoon Ivy League folks who have a responsibility to build on what the advantages they were given.

You have a lot of nerve calling them “pukes.” what do you suggest for them, genius?

WalMart is always hiring and so is McDonalds, etc... There are always local bakeries, restaurants - whatever. These pukes would never find it in their bootstraps to learn a trade.

The problem is they have NO skills. You don't have to be a genius to get your a$$ out there and look. These people are generally looking for a career job when they need to be looking for work. They probably have no work ethic and most likely have never made a dime for themselves. If you can't find work where you are, then LEAVE. Go somewhere and find something to do or, like me with generally useless degrees in math and physics (that didn't come from and Ivy League school), create something out of thin air.

Further, if you graduated from an Ivy League school and didn't work your contacts, then shame on you. As the saying goes - it's not what you know, but who you know. These lazy slackers know the who's and refuse or don't know how to use their contacts.

And for the record I happen to be married to a Master's Degreed Humanities person. She has is tough, but she knuckles down and is an Associate Professor at 2 different colleges and works a bar on the weekends. In her spare time she is a museum Docent looking for and working contacts. I know how tough it is for Art people more than most. Don't tell me it can't be done - I know it can. You gotta want it.

46 posted on 09/01/2011 7:10:14 AM PDT by numberonepal (Palin/Cain 2012)
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To: central_va
No it isn't. Not even close.

This unemployment is the worst since the great depression.

Calculated Risk has been charted the data for over years. Here is the chart for this week...


47 posted on 09/01/2011 7:13:49 AM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: numberonepal

Well, you and the missus are perfect examples of the extent of the problem.

Math and physics and you can’t find a job in your area of education. She has a masters degree. Ridiculous.

This administration is trying to break people.


48 posted on 09/01/2011 7:15:17 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: vladimir998

Thanks for backing me up. All of what you said is exactly correct. But, I’m also of the mind that regardless of the business atmosphere, if you really want to succeed, you will. There are sacrifices that must be made, and many silver spooners wont do it. I could never live with myself if I applied for food stamps and didn’t have children. It’s just plain pathetic knowing my monstrous tax contributions end up in the hands of lazy know it all’s that won’t get off their behinds and find some work. Let them eat ketchup soup and peanut butter.


49 posted on 09/01/2011 7:15:24 AM PDT by numberonepal (Palin/Cain 2012)
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To: reaganaut1
And when the economy crashes--the dollar's not worth the paper it's written on--food stamps are worth even less--and the Chinese Communists are breathing down their necks--they'll be scratching their heads, wondering what went wrong.

"We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality."
Ayn Rand

And then they start over, with dirty fingernails and hobnail boots if they can get them.

(If these Ivy League grads had been smart, they would have seen their professors' hockum for what it is.)

Meanwhile the Chicoms relax in their velvet slippers...

And it all starts over.

"History is a staircase on which men in velvet slippers descending pass men in hobnail boots ascending."

But do not underestimate the Chicoms! If anybody understands the cycles of ascendancy and decadence it's the Chinese! And they are bent over laughing at the West right now!

50 posted on 09/01/2011 7:18:57 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("That is the great eternal question: Are 'Liberals' evil or stupid?" ~Ann Coulter)
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