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Historian talks at secret Obama election retreat (model Roosevelt and Reagan)
Reuters ^ | September 1, 2011 | Caren Bohan

Posted on 09/01/2011 10:28:05 AM PDT by maggief

* Historian cites positive examples of Roosevelt, Reagan

* Persistent unemployment threatens Obama's re-election

(Reuters) - Aides to President Barack Obama held a secret strategy retreat where they listened to a history lesson from a presidential scholar about past presidents who could serve as models for Obama's re-election effort, Time magazine reported.

Historian Michael Beschloss reportedly gave the team hope with his June presentation about Democrat Franklin Roosevelt and Republican Ronald Reagan, who both won re-election in tough economic times.

According to Time, Beschloss said the strategies the two presidents used were similar: they both made the case that the economy was improving and that their opponents would make things worse.

"Beschloss did not intend to give political advice," the magazine said. "But that is just how his words were received. The president's aides, all but resigned to unemployment above 8 percent on Election Day, now see in Roosevelt and Reagan a plausible path to victory."

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; jobs; reagan; roosevelt

1 posted on 09/01/2011 10:28:07 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

FGS

Gimmicks.


2 posted on 09/01/2011 10:30:48 AM PDT by onyx (If you enjoy FR, support it! If you support Sarah Palin & want on her Busy Ping List, let me know.)
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To: maggief

Roosevelt is the only other president to earn more than one term with a terrible economy. Problem is, the country already holds the Democrat party and Obama himself responsible for their terrible policies of 2009 and 2010. That’s why the Democrat party was swept out of every level of office in all red and purple states. Only solid blue Dem strongholds did not switch dramatically to the right last year.


3 posted on 09/01/2011 10:31:43 AM PDT by ilgipper (Everything you get from the government was taken from someone else)
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To: maggief
Speaking of presidential history...

4 posted on 09/01/2011 10:31:49 AM PDT by TSgt (When in the Course of human events...)
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To: maggief

Bitchloss has always been a dem/lib apologist.


5 posted on 09/01/2011 10:32:28 AM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: maggief
Beschloss did not intend to give political advice

B.S. Beschloss was giving his team a pep rally and providing political advice. Does he get any state subsidies? If so someone needs to investigate them and pull them.

6 posted on 09/01/2011 10:33:14 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: maggief

See if I buy a Bescholss book again. Let them have their delusions that Obama is FDR or Reagan; it only adds to his immesurable ego. The bigger they are, the harder they fall.


7 posted on 09/01/2011 10:34:25 AM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: onyx

Exactly... it’s all about strategy and not about any demonstrable leadership. I hope the historian mentioned the little tidbit of leadership as well.


8 posted on 09/01/2011 10:34:47 AM PDT by rod1
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To: onyx

Gimmicks + teleprompter = empty suit


9 posted on 09/01/2011 10:35:48 AM PDT by maggief
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To: dusttoyou

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jan/4/presidents-incomplete-report-card/

Flash ahead to President Obama and this exchange between liberal “historian” Michael Beschloss and radio host Don Imus:

Mr. Beschloss: “[Barack Obama] is a guy whose IQ is off the charts. …”

Mr.Imus: “Well. What is his IQ?”

Mr. Beschloss: “Pardon?”

Mr.Imus: “What is his IQ?”

Mr. Beschloss: “Uh. I would say it’s probably - he’s probably the smartest guy ever to become president.”

Mr. Beschloss, like much of the left, clearly has no proof nor any shame.


10 posted on 09/01/2011 10:42:34 AM PDT by maggief
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To: ilgipper
The OTHER PROBLEM is that with the internet and cable TV we have an incredible number of channels for news sources ~ not just the talking heads but the people "doing stuff".

That wasn't so back under FDR, nor even in Ronaldus Magnus' day.

Obama has now been vetted and found inadequate to the tasks set before him. No way he can dig himself out of that.

He's also managed to depreciate the value of a Harvard diploma about 85%!

11 posted on 09/01/2011 10:44:34 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: maggief
Reminds me of the answer leftists give when asked what the temperature “should be” ?
12 posted on 09/01/2011 10:48:38 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (My mind is like a steel trap: rusty and illegal in 37 states.)
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To: ilgipper

Roosevelt had an easy election because someone assassinated Huey Long. FDR probably would have won, but Long would have been a tougher opponent than Landon. Long probably would have run a third-party campaign something like George Wallace’s in 1968. Except Long was more formidable than Wallace. I was watching old films and by 1935, Long had largely abandoned his stem-winding, “stump speaker style,” and was learning to talk to the cameras with considerable skill. In every respect, except personal background, he was Roosevelt’s equal.


13 posted on 09/01/2011 10:48:45 AM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: maggief

I challenge Mr. Beschloss to give me one, just one example that would indicate Barack Obama is so damn intelligent. Just one. A clever rejoinder, a quick wit, an encyclopedic grasp of facts, an original vision, an ability to speak off the cuff with eloquence, a probing question that belies a supple mind - anything.


14 posted on 09/01/2011 10:50:15 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: maggief
Mr. Beschloss: “Uh. I would say it’s probably - he’s probably the smartest guy ever to become president.”

This must be satire, right?

15 posted on 09/01/2011 10:51:51 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: maggief; All
Beware of Hussein.

The war chest will be gargantuan.

The media daily bows their knees to him.

The cult is big.

The unions are plotting to destroy dissent.

The urban base will cry "racism" and resort to violence.

The law enforcement wing of the executive branch will turn a blind eye to law violations.

Yes, he'll try to make Reagan and Roosevelt models in the public eye, but Hussein is also willing to spit upon liberties and the Constitution to force his agenda. (see: DeathCare).

Do NOT underestimate the desire of fascists to further their power grip.

16 posted on 09/01/2011 10:55:54 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: rod1

Talk and more talk, all through the teleprompter.
Lofty rhetoric, written by others, doesn’t amount to anything.


17 posted on 09/01/2011 10:59:46 AM PDT by onyx (If you enjoy FR, support it! If you support Sarah Palin & want on her Busy Ping List, let me know.)
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To: maggief

FDR won his first term because of the onset of the Depression which he promised to resolve. He won his second because Huey Long was assassinated and because the Republicans ran an invisible candidate, Alf Landon. Then-despite a worsening socioeconomic picture that pushed this country closer to a socialist revolution than it ever has before or since-he won a third term largely by promising to ‘keep us out of that European war’. Then he won a fourth term largely by being a wartime president, against Wendell Willkie who was later beaten by his successor, Truman. FDR may be the greatest political chameleon this nation has ever produced.


18 posted on 09/01/2011 10:59:53 AM PDT by tanuki (O-voters: wanted Uberman, got Underdog....)
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To: maggief

LOL. Oh, you know the secret formula!


19 posted on 09/01/2011 11:00:22 AM PDT by onyx (If you enjoy FR, support it! If you support Sarah Palin & want on her Busy Ping List, let me know.)
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To: maggief

Considering that our Presidents have included men such as The Adamses, Jefferson, Lincoln, and TR, Beschloss is talking through his behind. Lincoln was not well-educated but he seems never to have doubted that he was the smartest man in the room, just as he was the the tallest, but apparently he took pains to disguise that. More than one visitor said that their impression was that of a New England farmer.


20 posted on 09/01/2011 11:00:45 AM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: maggief

“It’s mourning in America...”?


21 posted on 09/01/2011 11:01:59 AM PDT by Armando Guerra
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To: RobbyS
too add to your points, the Republican Nominee was a Progressive named Alf Landon. He actually supported much of FDR's agenda. He did not make one campaign appearance after winning the nomination. One wonders if the progressive remnant in the GOP threw the election for FDR.

50 years later was a different story. First, unemployment was going down and second there was a clear choice. Mondale's "I'm gonna raise your taxes" vs Reagan's lower taxes and smaller government. People also knew the Reagan's economic policies were beginning to work.

22 posted on 09/01/2011 11:07:52 AM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: maggief
I've noticed often that Obama tries to pattern himself after FDR.

FDR often blamed his predessesor, claimed reversing the economy was going to take time, and introduced a lot of Gov't programs which placed a drag on the economy.

Problem is...this is not the 40's. In FDR's time communism was still a fashionable "experiment". We look back on it now as a FAILED experiment over which Ronald Reagan led us to victory. Not to mention that Obama is certainly no FDR in personality. Obama is more like Boss Tweed.

It speaks volumes that this WH has to bring in a two-bit pop historian (Beschloss) to school them. For all their so-called "intellectual" reputation, they don't strike me as people who open a book too often.

23 posted on 09/01/2011 11:28:45 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: 11th Commandment

Long had already driven FDR to the left. Otherwise he and Landon would have stood for the same things exactly. Father Coughlan was totally frustrated by the collapse of the populist movement. He knew he was the only candidate with the personal force to take on FDR. But as a priest he was in an impossible position. That’s why he famously tore off his collar during a rally speech. This did not please his bishop, you may be sure. Nor the Vatican, which thru Pacelli began to put pressure on his bishop to get him under control. Bu that took years. Finally, so I hear, he had a choice shut up or leave. He chose to shut up and —ac cording to a priest I know who knew him—refused absolutely to talk about politics. But lots of priests were Coughlanites.


24 posted on 09/01/2011 11:30:35 AM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: maggief
Historian Michael Beschloss reportedly gave the team hope with his June presentation about Democrat Franklin Roosevelt and Republican Ronald Reagan, who both won re-election in tough economic times.

Huh?

FDR was reelected three times. In 1936 the economy seemed okay; in 1940 the economy was improving from the 1937 recession, but the bigger focus was the looming war; in 1944 we were in the middle of a war and the economy wasn't really an issue.

The recession during the early Reagan years ended in the Fall of 1982 and by 1984 the economy was on fire. Unemployment had dropped from nearly 11% to just over 7% and inflation had fallen from just over 10% to just over 3%. The only person complaining about the economy in 1984 was Mondale saying taxes weren't high enough.

25 posted on 09/01/2011 11:38:40 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: maggief

Exactly!!


26 posted on 09/01/2011 11:55:14 AM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: maggief

“According to Time, Beschloss said the strategies the two presidents used were similar: they both made the case that the economy was improving and that their opponents would make things worse.”

Reagan was telling the truth. Roosevelt was lying. It worked for both of them. Maybe lying will work for Zero too.


27 posted on 09/01/2011 12:12:48 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: maggief

Article leaves the human factor out of it. Obama very poor politician - too detached, too self-centered. Obama no Roosevelt, no Reagan.


28 posted on 09/01/2011 12:58:36 PM PDT by BusterBear
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
If so someone needs to investigate them and pull them.

We can't even do anything about the waste and fraud that the GAO has identified. No politician except the moron with the money in the freezer has suffered lately for being a thief.

I remember clearly Adam Clayton Powell, standing on the deck of his Yacht, in Bimini, drinking Mint Juleps and thumbing his nose at Congress.

29 posted on 09/01/2011 1:08:30 PM PDT by itsahoot (--I will still vote for Sarah Palin, even if she doesn't run.--My vote is already bought, so move on)
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To: muawiyah
He's also managed to depreciate the value of a Harvard diploma about 85%!

You can always tell a Harvard man, but not much.

30 posted on 09/01/2011 1:10:06 PM PDT by itsahoot (--I will still vote for Sarah Palin, even if she doesn't run.--My vote is already bought, so move on)
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To: maggief

What do you do if you are drowning in rushing flood waters?

Gasp for air and grasp a Beschloss as it comes floating by


31 posted on 09/01/2011 1:13:14 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Rats carry plague)
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To: maggief
The only way Obama wins reelection is if a McCain clone wins the GOP nomination.

What this historian doesn't seem to get is that Obama is not the smartest president ever, but he may be the luckiest man to be president.

32 posted on 09/01/2011 1:20:31 PM PDT by Repealthe17thAmendment (Is this field required?)
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To: maggief
The only way Obama wins reelection is if a McCain clone wins the GOP nomination.

What this historian doesn't seem to get is that Obama is not the smartest president ever, but he may be the luckiest man to be president.

33 posted on 09/01/2011 1:20:41 PM PDT by Repealthe17thAmendment (Is this field required?)
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To: maggief

Every single time Beschloss appears on tv he should be introduced as a consultant to the Obama campaign. Every. Single. Time.


34 posted on 09/01/2011 1:25:12 PM PDT by EDINVA ( Jimmy McMillan '12: because RENT'S TOO DAMN HIGH)
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To: Repealthe17thAmendment

Lucky? How? Everything he touches turns to s#!+.

I would say, instead, that he is the most _connected_ person to ever run for president.


35 posted on 09/01/2011 1:56:48 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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