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Perry fires back at pro-Bachmann super PAC
Politico ^ | September 1, 2011 | MAGGIE HABERMAN

Posted on 09/01/2011 2:12:25 PM PDT by AAABEST

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To: cripplecreek
Yeah I see that it also claims jobs were created at HelioVolt but HelioVolt disagrees and says they won’t be creating the jobs. Seems to me that you’re playing Obama games with number (lying) just like Obama’s stimulus.

Excuse me? I use the numbers from a document that YOU provided, and I am playing with numbers? You really are delusional, aren't you? You either don't believe the very document you provided (and if that is the case, why provide it in the first place?), or you just don't like the fact that it doesn't support the point you THOUGHT it would support. Maybe you should have read it first...

51 posted on 09/01/2011 3:29:46 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: casinva
Could Michele Bachmann pull out of the race at some point and still be on Mitt’s VP list or do you think she’ll need to stick it out longer than she could have otherwise?

Time means nothing to MB. She "raised" 23 foster kids, don't you know...and needed only 2 weeks to "raise" some of them.

52 posted on 09/01/2011 3:29:46 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: casinva

I think she will find that this is not a good tactic at all. She’s in over her head here.


53 posted on 09/01/2011 3:31:08 PM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: cripplecreek
I just looked at your homepage. Too bad. When this is all over maybe we can bury the hatchet. Custer is one of my all time favorites and dishonored by hollywood and politically correct historians. I plan on taking my kids to Little Bighorn next year.

But until then, Perry for President.

54 posted on 09/01/2011 3:31:37 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: normy; Tempest
Tempest and his crew jump Perry threads non stop dredging up misleading stories and out right lies trying to taint Perry in order to boost Palin.

Possibly granted, but this one does not lend itself to such posts sensibly, and I don't think they will do that. It would look hokey in this instance.

This just looks bad, bad, bad on Michele Bachmann, and I would think both Palin and Perry supporters should be MORE upset with Michele Bachmann's lies and deceptive ads in her quest to cozy up with Mitt Romney than they will use one of our own (Michele Bachmann) who is disgracing the word "conservative" to make a case against Rick Perry.

Let them use what they want to vet Rick Perry, but this isn't the right story to do that.

Michele Bachmann, one of our best known models of conservatism today, has now associated herself with lies and deceit. In that, Michele Bachmann has LOWERED the standards and reputation of our party. Now THAT deserves anger from both Palin and Perry supporters!

Tempest, I'm hoping you guys take the right route on this one! :)

55 posted on 09/01/2011 3:31:54 PM PDT by casinva (If Michele Bachmann is trying to be Mitt Romney's VP choice... Go away MB and stop sticking us up!)
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To: CA Conservative
Gov. Perry Announces TEF Investment in Solar Power Company

AUSTIN – Gov. Rick Perry today announced the state will invest $1 million through the Texas Enterprise Fund (TEF) in HelioVolt Corp. of Austin for the construction of a 125,000 square foot manufacturing facility and development space to test and produce the company’s thin-film solar power cells, which convert sunlight into electricity. The deal will create nearly 160 jobs and $62 million in capital investment.

HelioVolt Corp. puts off growth. Plant is ready but demand not there yet

After months of stealthy operations, solar cell maker HelioVolt Corp. has delayed by two years its job creation projections.
56 posted on 09/01/2011 3:34:35 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: casinva

I will refer you to posts 3,4,5,6 and 13 for starters.


57 posted on 09/01/2011 3:34:59 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: indylindy

indylindy,

If Michele Bachmann is susceptible to lying in her campaign ads, why would you expect she would live up to her word with what she has said about immigration, especially since she has no executive record to show what she really would do when push comes to shove and pressure keeps coming from all sides?

Yea, she can sit in her congressional seat and whine, complain, and vote and say she fought for this and fought for that, but now we see her in the midst of a real battle and can see what she does, and she is caving to lies just to get a VP choice position with Mitt Romney.

I am not dissing your desire for tough immigration laws, reform, deportation or anything here. I’m asking if you really can trust her now that we are seeing she is willing to lie and distort in a real life situation, campaigning.


58 posted on 09/01/2011 3:39:00 PM PDT by casinva (If Michele Bachmann is trying to be Mitt Romney's VP choice... Go away MB and stop sticking us up!)
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To: cripplecreek
After months of stealthy operations, solar cell maker HelioVolt Corp. has delayed by two years its job creation projections.

And??? You act like this one example that delays some of the 158 jobs to be created by this one grant somehow negates the effectiveness of the whole program. Hardly - you are talking about less than 3/10 of 1% of the jobs created through this program. And only some of the jobs are delayed - they currently have hired somewhere around 100 of the 158 positions they expected to hire.

Boy, you are really reaching here...

59 posted on 09/01/2011 3:43:42 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: casinva

None of them are worth a hoot. At least that is how they are discussed here. So what the heck difference does it make?

I trust her more than the others. How’s that? Plus, none of them own me. Can you say that?


60 posted on 09/01/2011 3:45:19 PM PDT by dforest
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To: normy

Excuse me, but some of those posts you numbered are NOT from Palin supporters.


61 posted on 09/01/2011 3:47:14 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Bovina Sancta!)
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To: cripplecreek

I’m speaking about the actual Bachmann ad that was posted in post # 34, not Rick Perry’s campaign response to it.

Go watch the actual Bachmann ad from the Bachmann PAC (link provided in post 34 of this thread). What is so funny is that it is an absolutely pathetic commercial at the very basic level. (I won’t even dignify it enough to call it a political ad, lol). I have heard better Texan twang in the bathroom stalls at our Christmas tree farm in Cleburne, TX, and it is just plain corny!

Go watch it. You’ll see what I mean.


62 posted on 09/01/2011 3:49:10 PM PDT by casinva (If Michele Bachmann is trying to be Mitt Romney's VP choice... Go away MB and stop sticking us up!)
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To: cripplecreek

And a PS, even if the wife of Rick Perry’s communication’s director had anything to do with this Bachmann ad, it is STUPID.

I guess I’m glad Rick Perry got the husband then. :)


63 posted on 09/01/2011 3:51:45 PM PDT by casinva (If Michele Bachmann is trying to be Mitt Romney's VP choice... Go away MB and stop sticking us up!)
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To: indylindy

lindy, I warned you from the gitgo that michelle bachmann would do this. She has been lying since she first announced. I am no supporter of perry, but this is slime. It just is. And this is rollins handiwork. We ALL told you he would destroy her, and he has. This is the final nail in her coffin. It’s a real shame, but it is the truth.


64 posted on 09/01/2011 3:54:14 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Bovina Sancta!)
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To: CA Conservative

LOL you’re not going to be happy with what I’m finding about a good many other TEF wastes.

Stay tuned, its a long way to the white house.


65 posted on 09/01/2011 3:54:40 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Steel Wolf
If it's not Bachmann he chooses, he'll need someone exactly like her

I have been wondering if Rick Santorum has cozied up, or hopes to cozy up, with Mitt Romney as well. He and Bachmann's appearances and campaign actions seem quite similar in many respects, both very favorably towards Mitt Romney.

66 posted on 09/01/2011 3:58:08 PM PDT by casinva (If Michele Bachmann is trying to be Mitt Romney's VP choice... Go away MB and stop sticking us up!)
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To: normy

Perry is just the ... more .. candidate than “Sarah!”

When will the Sarah lovers wake up. She’s NOT running.

She’s giving a speech in Korea in October. Hello, McFly, that’s not what serious candidates do. No votes in Korea.


67 posted on 09/01/2011 4:02:46 PM PDT by WOSG (Cut the spending! Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: AAABEST

If he did not spend more money than the state took in return the stimulus. Old amnesty Perry used the stimulus printed money to balance the budget and then bitched about the printing of money.


68 posted on 09/01/2011 4:04:40 PM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: casinva

“I have heard better Texan twang in the bathroom stalls at our Christmas tree farm in Cleburne, TX, and it is just plain corny!”

LOL.

Hey, I’d like to be a customer.


69 posted on 09/01/2011 4:05:22 PM PDT by WOSG (Cut the spending! Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: cripplecreek
LOL you’re not going to be happy with what I’m finding about a good many other TEF wastes.

I would be surprised if you don't find waste - it is a government program, after all. However, I think you are wasting your time if your intent is to somehow taint Perry's candidacy because there was some waste in TEF - all he really has to do is point out how many jobs were created and how much the Texas economy benefited from the program. Unless you can prove that Perry personally approved large grants that created no benefit to the state of Texas in return for campaign donations, I think you are pissing into the wind - and that doesn't say a whole lot for your smarts...

70 posted on 09/01/2011 4:06:00 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: cripplecreek

perry supporters will find themselves on the wrong end of a thread quite like this in the not too distant future. I don’t know how there can be so many scarlet flags flying in the breeze and no one notices. I might be guilty of that myself here and there. I hope not. But to see otherwise rational people completely blind themselves to even the simplest truths is wierd.
Do we trust people because we WANT to, or because we NEED to? Is this what three years of obama has done to us? I swear I don’t know anymore.


71 posted on 09/01/2011 4:08:58 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Bovina Sancta!)
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To: org.whodat
Old amnesty Perry used the stimulus printed money to balance the budget and then bitched about the printing of money.

If the IRS took twice as much out as they were supposed to, then offered a 1/4 of it back, would you take it?

If you're paying into the system, you may as well get as much back out of it as you can. Even if you think the system sucks.

72 posted on 09/01/2011 4:09:55 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: indylindy

Like I said, I honor a desire to have a strong immigration record. I tried to show that respect, and I agree we need something better than what we have been doing. I also did not mean to challenge your choices. I am sorry if I did.

My respect for your decision or even your thoughts are not in dispute in any way. I have no quarrel with you which may be hard to deal with since EVERYONE seems to be disputing everyone around here these days! LOL

I just have to question if Michele Bachmann’s words are even truthworthy now that I see she is capable of launching deceptive ads. We are talking about MICHELE BACHMANN! While I did not think she would get the candidacy, I had the utmost respect for her standards and principles. Now I see she is nothing more than another politician doing whatever she wants or needs to do to get elected.

I AM JUST PLAIN DISAPPOINTED IN HER ACTIONS HERE. That is probably why I am SO outraged.

I am talking about ME I guess, not you. I have not looked at your previous posts, so I have no clue who you are or are not. Right now, I don’t CARE if you are a Perry Supporter, a Palin supporter, or a DU troll for that fact. I don’t KNOW who you are and I have not written to you with any agenda to turn you or think for you. I am sorry if you thought I was doing that.

I am just truly upset that someone I expected a whole lot more from, and ESPECIALLY expected honesty from, would have gone to lies to get votes. I’m just really disappointed.

Again, please accept my apologies if I came off as if I was trying to think for you. I have no thoughts of mine in mind to put inside your head! I’m just disappointed in having to see that even Michele Bachmann lies so. Then when you mentioned something that led me to think how you were trusting her (in reference to what she has said about immigration)as did I (in her character), it made me think out loud in my post to you.

Sorry if I offended you. I just wanted to share my disappointment with you.

I guess sometimes even the most noble of people can forsake their character. I’m just sorry to have to see Michele Bachmann be one of those noble ones to fall.


73 posted on 09/01/2011 4:14:36 PM PDT by casinva (If Michele Bachmann is trying to be Mitt Romney's VP choice... Go away MB and stop sticking us up!)
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To: MestaMachine

I’ve got to face my maker some day and I’m not sure I want to say “Well it was him or the other guy”.

I’ve sold my principles for politics too many times and I’m not going to be like the drunk who promises to quit after one more drink. I’m done with that.


74 posted on 09/01/2011 4:17:52 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Tempest

Precisely. I would also question whether Bachmann actually said what they claim. In other words is there a credible source for this alleged quote. Also, notice how quickly some Perrybot weighs in with the Bachmann “prone to gaff” comment. With not one instance cited.

Its the same as the anti-Palin crowd lurking here on FR who like to repeat the “many negatives” mantra. When I ask for examples from those posters all I get back is silence.


75 posted on 09/01/2011 4:18:01 PM PDT by dools0007world
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To: cripplecreek

My, will the incest never stop?


76 posted on 09/01/2011 4:19:24 PM PDT by dools0007world
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To: org.whodat
If he did not spend more money than the state took in return the stimulus. Old amnesty Perry used the stimulus printed money to balance the budget and then bitched about the printing of money.

So says one of the chief supporters of Sarah Palin, whose state took in $2.24 of federal money for every dollar of federal income tax paid during her term as governor - the sixth highest recipient of federal payments in the country during that time period. (Texas was a net tax payer during that time.) Sorry org, I don't think that Sarah will try to go after Perry on this point - her own record will hardly stand the scrutiny...

77 posted on 09/01/2011 4:20:10 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: WOSG

Well then partner, go to the Mainstay Farm in Cleburne, TX, and you’ll hear it too! LOL

http://www.mainstayfarm.com/

I swear I think they used the bathroom recording from The Mainstay Farm for this Bachmann ad! Seriously!


78 posted on 09/01/2011 4:20:27 PM PDT by casinva (If Michele Bachmann is trying to be Mitt Romney's VP choice... Go away MB and stop sticking us up!)
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To: lonestar
Time means nothing to MB. She "raised" 23 foster kids, don't you know...and needed only 2 weeks to "raise" some of them.

LMBO

79 posted on 09/01/2011 4:21:25 PM PDT by casinva (If Michele Bachmann is trying to be Mitt Romney's VP choice... Go away MB and stop sticking us up!)
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To: cripplecreek

I know, CC. Me too.


80 posted on 09/01/2011 4:21:28 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Bovina Sancta!)
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To: CA Conservative
I and palin are not the topic, keep your personal attacks to yourself. The amnesty supporter Perry did what I said. Now if you wish to launch another personal attack take it up with the mod.
81 posted on 09/01/2011 4:24:12 PM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: CA Conservative

And I suppose we should ignore Perry’s having been a democrat, chairing Gore’s reelection campaign, supporting Gore’s global warming fraud, signing a hate speech bill into law(most often used by demrats to silence opponents) and proponency for open borders.

No sir, your comment is one of the more pitiful non-defenses I’ve ever seen.


82 posted on 09/01/2011 4:25:48 PM PDT by dools0007world
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To: dools0007world

No need to guess if she said it or not.

Go look at the Backmann PAC ad for yourself.

The link is posted in post 34 of this thread.

PS, Be prepared to laugh. It is absolutely corny too.


83 posted on 09/01/2011 4:26:41 PM PDT by casinva (If Michele Bachmann is trying to be Mitt Romney's VP choice... Go away MB and stop sticking us up!)
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To: org.whodat

Personal attack? I merely pointed out that your point about Perry could easily be turned back on Palin. IF you are so concerned that Perry took federal money, then you should be equally concerned about Palin’s record. If calling you one of Palin’s chief supporters is a “personal attack”, then I think that says more about how you view your candidate than you would like to admit.


84 posted on 09/01/2011 4:27:49 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: CajunConservative

Well, well CajunConservstive again. Are you telling me it wasn’t those with the alleged experience that got us into the mess we’re in today?

Oh, and who is the masterfully experienced executive you have in mind?


85 posted on 09/01/2011 4:30:23 PM PDT by dools0007world
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To: cripplecreek
I’ve got to face my maker some day and I’m not sure I want to say “Well it was him or the other guy”.

You can always vote third party, or even start a new one if the others are too compromised. No one will question your moral integrity then.

It's probably better to go to the Almighty with a clear conscience on your shoulders and an unbroken reign of Democrat rule at your back. There's no difference between 4 more years of Barack Obama and 4 years of Rick Perry, so why worry?

86 posted on 09/01/2011 4:32:45 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: dools0007world

Oh, did you really want a real example of her gaffs?

I was not the one who posted that comment, but I do have ONE example of sloppiness.

How about this letter from the Federal Elections Commission itemizing all the sloppy errors in her year end report from her Bachmann for Congress campaign, Year End Report 2009?

http://images.nictusa.com/pdf/146/10030253146/10030253146.pdf#navpanes=0


87 posted on 09/01/2011 4:33:57 PM PDT by casinva (If Michele Bachmann is trying to be Mitt Romney's VP choice... Go away MB and stop sticking us up!)
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To: CA Conservative
My point about Perry was on topic and true. Now if you wish to attack Palin have at it. Before you know you will be setting on the bench with pissant, maybe you are pissant.
88 posted on 09/01/2011 4:34:20 PM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: dools0007world

We already have a diva drama queen in office. We don’t need another one.

Out of the candidates running, the obvious answer is Rick Perry. Texas is doing well in spite of the Marxist dictator wannabe’s war on jobs.


89 posted on 09/01/2011 4:37:52 PM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: org.whodat

My point was also true, and since you raised the topic of federal dollars, also on topic. If we are going to examine how a candidate deals with the issue of federal money to the states, let;s look at all of them. Is it now the rule on FR that we can examine the records of all candidates EXCEPT Sarah?


90 posted on 09/01/2011 4:43:38 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: cripplecreek; MestaMachine
I can't believe the list of baggage this guy carries. Bad on illegal immigration, crony capitalism up the wazoo (pay to play the Texas way), pretends he never voted for a democrat (including when he chaired Gore's presidential run), bad on judicial appointments, panders to LaRaza, executive orders for medical treatments, the list goes on and on......the more I learn, the more I'm horrified.

To watch these so called "conservatives" on FR wet themselves over him is strangely disturbing.

91 posted on 09/01/2011 4:50:32 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark; cripplecreek; MestaMachine
To watch these so called "conservatives" on FR wet themselves over him is strangely disturbing.

That's okay; for the rest of us, watching you extreme Palinstinians engage in your ritual of mutual mental masturbation is disturbing.

92 posted on 09/01/2011 4:53:19 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: normy; Tempest

Normy,

I guess I have to say I was wrong in my assumption. A few HAVE figured a way to bicker here! LOL However, I think most can see this really is not about Palin or Perry. This is about Michele Bachmann and Michele Bachmann only.

At least I can report Tempest has stood above the crowd, perhaps after calling for the crazies at the beginning, but he held his head high later in the thread anyway. :)

Thank you Tempest. I respect your professionalism here.

All in all, no matter what candidate we like the best or what one we wish would win the nomination, I believe we should ALL be saddened to see the lessinging of integrity and character by one who was once a wonderful representative of conservatism, Michele Bachmann.

I guess it is true that the pull of dishonesty and greed is very strong in politics and maybe TOO strong for those who want so badly to rise in the process.


93 posted on 09/01/2011 4:55:25 PM PDT by casinva (If Michele Bachmann is trying to be Mitt Romney's VP choice... Go away MB and stop sticking us up!)
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To: CA Conservative
Ah, the Perrywinkle speaks.

Didn't you get enough of your daily dose of this fraud today?

Did he shoot a coyote again? Ride a horse? Talk southern?

Wait....Wait......

94 posted on 09/01/2011 4:57:38 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: CA Conservative

Just who the hell do you think you’re talking to? I didn’t say a damn word to you. I didn’t bring up Sarah Palin. You wanna call someone names and be a raving lunatic, go right ahead, but don’t aim your freaking blanks at me. I ain’t your daisy, dude.


95 posted on 09/01/2011 4:59:16 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Bovina Sancta!)
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To: wolfcreek; cripplecreek
"Did you happen to see how many JOBS were created?"

BWAHAHAHA! Did you read the list?

Perry gave $50 million to Texas Instruments through TEF for what? To stay in Texas? Or was it in exchange for campaign donations? This smacks of all those jobs "created" or "saved" by the Obama stimulus.
96 posted on 09/01/2011 5:04:14 PM PDT by CowboyJay ("Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day parade." - fieldmarshalj)
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To: cripplecreek

My BIL is in the solar industry (making converters) Several of the big solar outfits have either gone out of business or declared backrupcy.

The reason: China is making solar panels and such for a well below market price.

China is the problem not Perry.


97 posted on 09/01/2011 5:07:06 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: casinva
lessinging

Guess that word should have been "lessening"

Sorry.

98 posted on 09/01/2011 5:07:51 PM PDT by casinva (If Michele Bachmann is trying to be Mitt Romney's VP choice... Go away MB and stop sticking us up!)
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To: wolfcreek

Begging your pardon, but the problem isn’t China, the problem is the actual generation of solar power is only viable when the government subsidizes it heavily. Crony capitalism that doesn’t work at its finest........


99 posted on 09/01/2011 5:12:09 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: casinva
We are all fighting for our guy or gal, we will pull together after all is said and done. I have stood up for Bachmann here, this was weak and flailing. It also lends itself to the Freeper who was commenting how Bachmann was playing for a Mitt VP role.

It's also just possible she thought she had to hit Perry with whatever she had. See if it stuck. She has dropped pretty quickly lately. I look forward to the up coming debate.

I also remember reading a thread here a couple of days ago mentioning Mitts path to the nomination was to have Bachmann go after Perry leaving him above the fray. At the time I thought it was ridiculous but the debates will tell the tale. I saw Perry against KBH, he doesn't waste time on nonsense, he makes his comment about the accusation and moves on to his point.

100 posted on 09/01/2011 5:13:49 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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