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White House received emails about Fast and Furious gun-trafficking operation
Los Angeles Times ^ | September 2, 2011 | By Richard A. Serrano

Posted on 09/02/2011 5:52:59 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Newly obtained emails show that the White House was better informed about a failed gun-tracking operation on the border with Mexico than was previously known.

Three White House national security officials were given some details about the operation, dubbed Fast and Furious. The operation allowed firearms to be illegally purchased, with the goal of tracking them to Mexican drug cartels. But the effort went out of control after agents lost track of many of the weapons.

The supervisor of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives operation in Phoenix specifically mentioned Fast and Furious in at least one email to a White House national security official, and two other White House colleagues were briefed on reports from the supervisor, according to White House emails and a senior administration official.

But the senior administration official said the emails, obtained Thursday by The Times, did not prove that anyone in the White House was aware of the covert "investigative tactics" of the operation.

"The emails validate what has been said previously, which is no one at the White House knew about the investigative tactics being used in the operation, let alone any decision to let guns walk," said the official.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aft; banglist; batf; batfe; batfeisajoke; bhofascism; corruption; democrats; doj; dojisajoke; fastandfurious; fraud; govtabuse; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; holdertruthfile; issa; liberalfascism; obama; obamatruthfile; tyranny

1 posted on 09/02/2011 5:53:05 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Ruh-Roh!


2 posted on 09/02/2011 5:53:56 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; Josephat; Prince of Space; ...

3 posted on 09/02/2011 5:54:07 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Bovina Sancta!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

BATF = German SS


4 posted on 09/02/2011 5:57:36 AM PDT by hadaclueonce ("Endeavor to persevere.")
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To: Vendome

That has to have them feeling very uncomfortable in their underwear. I love the smell of administration fear in the morning. This just keeps getting closer and closer.


5 posted on 09/02/2011 5:58:49 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Bovina Sancta!)
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To: Nachum

One for the list ping!


6 posted on 09/02/2011 6:00:02 AM PDT by penelopesire (Let The Congressional Hearings Begin!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
the senior administration official said the emails, obtained Thursday by The Times, did not prove that anyone in the White House was aware of the covert "investigative tactics" of the operation.

Yeah it does.

7 posted on 09/02/2011 6:02:09 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“Newly obtained emails show that the White House was better informed about a failed gun-tracking operation on the border with Mexico than was previously known. “

When will the net tighten enough to hang the sob?


8 posted on 09/02/2011 6:08:59 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Now we know what they knew, and when they knew it!

I know what to do.

Let's give the ID thief and his mooching wookie another 2 trillion fun bucks to spread the wealth around on lavish all expenses paid including entourage world wide vacations!


Hello Mc Fly Bonehead!!!!! Gank their credit cards quick!

9 posted on 09/02/2011 6:10:46 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Not a thing will happen, and the pubbies will ignore it. Move along, nothing to see here.


10 posted on 09/02/2011 6:11:59 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

LA Times may try to spin it as the WH still not being involved, this whole thing is unraveling right before their eyes.


11 posted on 09/02/2011 6:18:41 AM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Operation Gun-walker was WH operation to arm an army against America. Chalk up a success for the WH, as the president of mexico says, Go North, murder, rob, pillage, rape, destroy. Thanks to the other gun runners throughout the world, besides our WH, the trouble to be, is only beginning ... a prayer I am wrong.
12 posted on 09/02/2011 6:19:13 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Newly obtained emails show that the White House was better informed about a failed gun-tracking operation on the border with Mexico than was previously known revealed.

There...fixed it.

13 posted on 09/02/2011 6:20:41 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Deploy. Dominate. Disappear.)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Interesting. In the LA Times, no less.

Not that this will go anywhere. The full power of the federal government leviathan will see to that.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

14 posted on 09/02/2011 6:29:36 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: unixfox

I think the GOP will take action, but they are waiting until after it is too late for the Dems to replace Obama on their ticket.


15 posted on 09/02/2011 6:30:06 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Ahh..that might be a good strategy. However, the GOP better nominate someone other than a RINO or it will backfire.


16 posted on 09/02/2011 6:33:31 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“According to the emails, William D. Newell, then the ATF field supervisor for Arizona and New Mexico, was in close contact with O’Reilly and sought the White House’s help to persuade the Mexican government to let ATF agents recover U.S. guns across the border.

After earlier emails from Newell to O’Reilly surfaced, Newell testified to congressional investigators in July that the two were friends and acknowledged that he probably should not have sent them to him. But the new emails indicate that Newell and O’Reilly were in deeper discussions about gun operations on the border.”


17 posted on 09/02/2011 6:34:49 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Vendome; All

Just remember, Watergate was a cover up of a 2-bit burglary and it brought down a presidency. This one might lead to extradiction of a US President and US Attorney General to Mexico to face prosecution for aiding and abetting drug cartels!

Issa, Grassley make good on promise to expand “Fast & Furious” investigation

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/09/01/issa-grassley-make-good-on-promise-to-expand-fast-furious-investigation/


18 posted on 09/02/2011 6:41:02 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

BUSTED!


19 posted on 09/02/2011 6:47:02 AM PDT by struggle
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

In the new world of Pravda/ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN etc., will this ever be made a public issue?

But Michelle Bachmann is viewed as “too extreme”. So too is Rick Perry with 17% of independent respondents in a FOX poll feeling HE is “too extreme” (nevermind that a certain percentage of independents are liberals ANYWAY and will never vote GOP).

FOX is running interference for the WORST POSSIBLE choice for GOP Veep candidate - Mitt Romney.


20 posted on 09/02/2011 6:49:03 AM PDT by ZULU (Chris Wallace is a flake.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

” . . . might lead to extradiction of a US President and US Attorney General to Mexico to face prosecution for aiding and abetting drug cartels!”

Nice idea. I was thinking it might be nice to see an indefinite vacation for the two at GITMO, enjoying a few enhanced interrogation drinks together by the beach, but the diet, accomodations, room service, and hospitality might indeed befit them better in Mexico.

Attempts to subvert the 2nd Amendment are treason, as would be the aiding and abetting the armed forces of the cartels. Treason.


21 posted on 09/02/2011 6:59:32 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“Went out of control...”. Bullsh!t!!! There was never ANY effort to control or track these weapons. It is clear the ATF nor anyone else ever cared where they went as long as the first step was toward Mexico.


22 posted on 09/02/2011 7:01:10 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: ZULU

FOX is running interference for the WORST POSSIBLE choice for GOP Veep candidate - Mitt Romney.

Mighten he be the only one electable? Just asking, not supporting.


23 posted on 09/02/2011 7:08:52 AM PDT by Rannug ("God has given it to me, let him who touches it beware.")
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To: Rannug

You know, that is a good question.

BUT, were THAT the case, wouldn’t you THINK the mainstream media would be discrediting him? Since they are pretty much IGNORING him and going after other candidates, MOST PARTICULARLY PERRY, it would seem to me that, now, as in the 2008 primary with McCain, THEY want Romeny nominted because he is the most vulnerable.

Romeny’s conservative creditials are VERY shaky on a whole host of issues. He has the Mormon Cross to bear (now I PERSONALLY have no issue with his Mormonism and the anti-Mormon rhetoric is hard to understand. But apparently a LARGE segment of the Bible Belt - generally conservative and GOP - will not vote for a Mormon.

Secondly he has rufused to refute Romneycare.

Perry is a fundamentalist Christian, he has good rapport with Hispanic voters. he is a solid conservative on social issues, and he LOOKS and TALKS Presidential. I don’t believe he would be a President in the mold of George Bush II and I mean that as a POSTIVE characterization.


24 posted on 09/02/2011 7:25:48 AM PDT by ZULU (Chris Wallace is a flake.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
"Just remember, Watergate was a cover up of a 2-bit burglary and it brought down a presidency."

Just remember, that was when a Republican was President. With a Democrat now squatting in the Oval Office, the leftmedia will expend ten times as much effort as they did during Watergate to cover his ass at every turn.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

25 posted on 09/02/2011 7:26:25 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: FourPeas

Jay Carney will probably give some blather about how they get thousands of emails every day and can’t actually keep up with them or be expected to know what they say. After all, they have had some bad luck and distractions to deal with. He’ll give us a list of reasons no one ever reads emails about stuff like gun-trafficking.


26 posted on 09/02/2011 7:31:17 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

It’s remarkable. Nobody in D.C. gives the OK for “Gun Walking,” or asks how the weapons will be monitored once they leave the stores?!


27 posted on 09/02/2011 7:33:09 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: ZULU

I know that (Romeny):-)is receiving most of the east coast money right now. Mighten the so-called press think that it would be easier for owebama to defeat him than someone else?

Questions answered by more questions.


28 posted on 09/02/2011 8:43:55 AM PDT by Rannug ("God has given it to me, let him who touches it beware.")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If the MSM pushes this hard, they could be clearing the way at a Hillary candidacy. They have to see that this guy is in way over his head, and they could really explode this issue to get Hillary to take him on.

If this becomes HUGE, be sure that this is the game plan.


29 posted on 09/02/2011 8:44:37 AM PDT by woweeitsme
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To: Rannug

Yes. I get the impression that the Party Machine is backing Romney. They probably view him as less controversial and hence more likely to succeed.

On the other hand, the party machine is represented by the likes of the people who backed McCain - who were wrong, and the likes of Boehner - whose need to be non-controversial puts them in a state of irrelevance vis-a-vis any significant change in the processes which put us here in the first place.

When it comes to spending, the major difference between Bush II and Obama is in magnitude, not in real philosophy.


30 posted on 09/02/2011 8:48:54 AM PDT by ZULU (Chris Wallace is a flake.)
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To: Vendome

This s not a ruh roh. This is Obama using the LATimes covering his butt and back tracing their denial of knowledge.This is SLICK. As they must know these e mails are evident in evidence or will be so they are using the LATimes to say yeah they’re were communications and ties with the DOJ/ATF (DUH!) but we didn’t know of fast and furious gun walking.

PATHETIC!


31 posted on 09/02/2011 8:51:48 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: neverdem

Yes this is what they want everyone to think and any e mails or communications don’t prove they knew about fast and furious they thought it was gunrunner? AKA they had no idea about nothing. Slick but Issa has his ducks lined up they won’t get away with this Fri. news dump.


32 posted on 09/02/2011 8:55:00 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"But the effort went out of control after agents lost track of many of the weapons.

An obviously weak attempt by the LA Times to legitimize what was at the very outset, an illegitimate hairbrained scheme, in direct violation of Federal and State law as well as a direct breach of public trust.

Heads need to roll.

33 posted on 09/02/2011 8:56:45 AM PDT by semaj
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Indeed it is. Thank you penelopesire!

The list, ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/gunrunner.htm


34 posted on 09/02/2011 9:06:17 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: neverdem

If you read this entire LATimes article it is Alinsky confusing on purpose.It has a quote from a WH official saying they know nothing and are innocent as doves; then goes on to maybe sell out two officials under the bus. Yet as it stands at least one of these officials were given DC offices and promotions.(To be closer to assist in the cover-up and or be thrown under the famous Obama bus?)


35 posted on 09/02/2011 9:06:56 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Nope.

It’s an admission the emails at least entered the White House.

How much more don’t we know?

There is a certain building down the street from the White Hut that brought down another President.

Drip, Drip, Drip....


36 posted on 09/02/2011 9:20:51 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Joe Brower

I covered for Obama and I didn't even get a T-shirt.

37 posted on 09/02/2011 9:23:54 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
“According to the emails, William D. Newell, then the ATF field supervisor for Arizona and New Mexico, was in close contact with O’Reilly and sought the White House’s help to persuade the Mexican government to let ATF agents recover U.S. guns across the border.

After earlier emails from Newell to O’Reilly surfaced, Newell testified to congressional investigators in July that the two were friends and acknowledged that he probably should not have sent them to him. But the new emails indicate that Newell and O’Reilly were in deeper discussions about gun operations on the border.”


Perhaps Newell knew that his bosses were terminally stupid and wanted to fix the “lost guns” problem under the table with help from his buddy in the WH?

It sure sounds like he knew it was wrong...

38 posted on 09/02/2011 9:59:42 AM PDT by az_gila
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
What is really interesting is that in April, 2009 Obama was quoted as follows:

"A demand for these drugs in the United States is what is helping to keep these cartels in business. This war is being waged with guns purchased not here, but in the United States. More than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States, many from gun shops that line our shared border."

This startling statement, along with a desire to renew the ban on certain assault weapons, occurred a full 2 years before the revelation of Gunwalker aka Fast and Furious. Interesting coincidence don't you think? If I were the suspiscious type I would conclude that all of this was being done to support a complete ban of semi automatic firearms and get a Senate ratification of the UN's gungrabber treaty .

39 posted on 09/02/2011 10:32:13 AM PDT by JrsyJack (a healthy dose of buckshot will probably get you the last word in any argument.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
...Secrets within secrets, damn, all this paperwork...

...I thought all this info was to be shared between agencies after the 9-11 debacle. Hmmmm, Maybe I missed a meeting...

40 posted on 09/02/2011 10:40:08 AM PDT by gargoyle (...This looks like a good fight, deal me in...)
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To: Joe Brower
Not that this will go anywhere. The full power of the federal government leviathan will see to that.

Under this administration, perhaps. But federal civil rights prosecutions have taken place as much as forty years after the commission of the crime with felony convictions and penalties resulting. And of course there is no Statute of Limitations when a murder of a federal officer is involved, as is the instrance in those complicit in the death of C&BP Agent Brian Terry.


41 posted on 09/02/2011 10:41:13 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

...Col. Holdeeeer!!!,,, It’s da coola for yoouu!!!


42 posted on 09/02/2011 11:04:45 AM PDT by gargoyle (...This looks like a good fight, deal me in...)
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To: archy
...Correctomundo!!!

...BTW, If you'd give your right arm to be ambidextrous, what's left? Right! No, left! Right! Who's on first???(-;)

43 posted on 09/02/2011 11:13:18 AM PDT by gargoyle (...This looks like a good fight, deal me in...)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Just remember, Watergate was a cover up of a 2-bit burglary and it brought down a presidency. This one might lead to extradiction of a US President and US Attorney General to Mexico to face prosecution for aiding and abetting drug cartels!

I was watching Fox News and I forgot who it was but I guess the Mexican Government is completely pissed off. I never thought of that but I'd love to see Mexico go to the World Court since Barry is such a fan of it and then demand the arrest of Barry and Holder.

44 posted on 09/02/2011 3:43:40 PM PDT by Dengar01 ("Liberalism is a Mental Disorder" - Dr. Michael Savage)
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To: Dengar01; All

Hillary could do the country a great service by demanding Eric Holder to extradite the Criminal-in Chief to face charges in Mexico. Viva La Raza!


45 posted on 09/02/2011 8:59:04 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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