Skip to comments.‘Bordering on bigotry’: CNN’s Piers Morgan attacks Santorum’s marriage beliefs during interview
Posted on 09/02/2011 2:24:52 PM PDT by NYer
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I’m not familiar at all with Santorum, but this was an excellent introduction.
Catholics are not the only anti homosexual denomination..insofar as teachings.
I don’t see Assemblies of God or Seventh Day or real Southern Baptists going for it either
Mormons have done outreach I hear...how odd.
In the not too distant future conservatives will be accused of bigotry for not supporting bestiality. Homosexuals shouldn’t be persecuted for what they are, but homosexuality is at the very least tremendously abnormal. The human rectum was not designed to receive male organs. No one can deny that basic fact.
that’s true, but it said the actions of a __
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
So, the root of the world is intolerance of other beliefs, not prejudice per se. :)
What I meant was people use the word bigot or bigotry as a substitute for hatred, racism etc ... but in fact it does not mean that.
If on is calling someone a bigot because they do not agree with their position, then it is mirrored back on the accuser ... per the dictionary definition.
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Not being a proponent of "gay marriage" now means a person is a hate filled bigot. And of course leftists are incapable of rational discourse, they have been for a long time. It's just that their masks are pretty much totally removed now. It will be very interesting to see what happens next. The left isn't finished yet.
loveliberty2: “He rebutted the charge of bigotry by pointing out that the view expressed by Morgan was, itself, bigotry.”
Well, I think you’re right. A bigot is someone who is intolerant of other views. Santorum did not attack Piers Morgan or even treat him poorly. People mistakenly think tolerance means acceptance. It does not.
Homosexuality is an abomination as well as a sin, but I try to be tolerant. Let’s just say I respect the right of other people to disagree with my viewpoint. I don’t try to silence them or treat them poorly simply because they don’t ascribe to my religious views. That’s tolerance.
Piers Morgan, on the other hand, is clearly an intolerant bigot. Have no doubt, he intended to harm Santorum. The left wants to silence Christians. If the left had its way, no true Christian would ever be elected to office.
MSF BU: “Sodomy and Christianity are not compatible, despite what Mr. Morgan asserts.”
True, but homosexuals are no worse than thieves, adulterers, or fornicators. Christ died for sodomites, too.
I just wanted to point out the flip side of your point. None of the above will ever see heaven, but repentance brings forgiveness and, ultimately, freedom (no one has to be a slave to their sinful nature). All anyone has to do is admit they were wrong and ask God to forgive them. What’s scripture say about that? Christ wipes the record clean. Thank God!
Lorianne: “Santorum may indeed be a bigot, but if so, so is Morgan.”
Not quite, because Santorum isn’t trying to use Piers Morgan’s views to ridicule and, hopefully, silence him. That’s why Mr. Morgan brought the issue up. He wasn’t honestly and politely searching for Santorum’s opinion. He was on a witch hunt to damage Santorum’s campaign.
A bigot isn’t just someone who thinks their views are right. A bigot, by definition, is someone who is intolerant toward different views. What’s tolerance?
The ability or willingness to tolerate something, in particular the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with: “religious tolerance”.
So you see, Santorum is not a bigot. The left throws the “bigot” word around a lot, but from my experience it more often applies to them than us. We’re not the ones who want to turn Christians into hate criminals.
DGHoodini: “Will Republicans never learn to recognize typical retarded liberal PervoBigots, and NOT go on their freak shows, or even their lying scum networks?”
Christ didn’t avoid sinners and neither should we.
Lorianne: “If on is calling someone a bigot because they do not agree with their position, then it is mirrored back on the accuser ... per the dictionary definition.”
Ah, I see you and I agree. Bigot is misused all the time. A bigot is, in fact, someone who uses the pejorative, “bigot” to silence someone who they disagree with.
Santorum’s answer was exactly right. Right and wrong don’t ‘change with the times.’ Trust doesn’t change with the times. Morgan needs a serious examination of conscience. He’s acknowledging that his beliefs are built on the shifting sands of what’s popular.
“Santorum is a smart guy and way underrated in my opinion. I would love a Perry/Santorum ticket.”
I agree! Santorum would be my first choice if the numbers were different. We need more like him who live according to principle and virtue.
“Catholics are not the only anti homosexual denomination..insofar as teachings.”
Actually, the Church is not anti-homosexual....but rather...pro-chastity and healthy, whole, virtuous relationships.
!) Let's use the words that fit: Marxists and communists.
2) The Marxists would **kill** us if they could. They just can't get away with it....( yet). That would be the ultimate form of silencing us.
3) Morgan is a Useful Idiot. He is failing to heed Yuri Besmenov’s warning. The first people the communist leadership had lined up against the wall and shot were the Useful Idiots.
You have no idea how much! It's the only bullet in their gun. They have no facts, or logic, on their side, and I dispute the idea that they are compassionate at heart.
Ignore their charges of racism, or bigotry, and they react like monkeys in the zoo.
Yes, of course, that doesn’t work when the sodomy is celebrated as it is increasingly among many churches.
What a liberal, ludicrous, self-defeating EXCUSE you make for Catholic fecklessness!!!!
Liberals hide behind the "...we can't judge..." pablum!
We have been entrusted to protect and nurture the Church, not to sit back and allow it to be diluted by evil men like Piers Morgan!
Your attitude is EXACTLY what is wrong with the Catholic Church today!
You are right that We have been entrusted to protect and nurture the Church.
We do it against the evil actions and hope and pray that people will follow God. We do by leading Christ-like lives.
It is diluted by all Catholics that do not follow Christ.
His words would be meaningless if all Catholics truly practiced their religion. He is a false messenger. I don’t listen to him or CNN.
I.To gain the happiness of heaven we must know, love, and serve God in this world. Man must know, love and serve God in a supernatural manner in order to gain happiness of heaven. Man is raised to the supernatural order only by grace, a free gift of God.
II.We learn to know, love, and serve God from Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who teaches us through the Catholic Church.
I don’t know how all this happened
when I was little back in the 60s, queerness was just that...queer..in Mississippi it was “quore”..like odd
and it was relegated to privacy and was only out in the open in the French Quarter..2 hours and change from my home
men practiced it..as did lesbians..and they associated..but privately and with some discretion
i remember a home in the nice part of Jackson..Eastover area where a group of homosexual men shared a home...a Frank Loyd Wright looking flat prairie home ..big place with 5-6 guys from 20s to my age (50s)
all professional..one was a doctor and another an architect..nobody cared...they shopped at the grocery where I bagged and stocked and tipped well and were cordial and not snobby..but dressed immaculate
anyhow...those days are long gone eh
Agreed. However, allowing someone like Piers Morgan to call themselves Catholic is inviting evil into the Church, not protecting it.
Piers Morgan is a is not trying to follow the Church, he is trying to transform it into a den of evil. Tolerating his presence is unacceptable.
One of the things I have learned, is that I cannot change others except with the Truth and by example. And that is hard to do.
People have free will and they get stuck in their ways and God allows people to do and say the wrong things.
The devil comes in many forms and our belief in God is what will turn him away. The Church is strong and will survive. Some of our strongest supporters are those that have seen the Light and Truth and changed their way, such as St Paul.
The Presbyterian Church in America(PCA) and Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod(LCMS) are other denominations that agree with Jesus’ teachings on what constitutes marriage in Matthew 19:4-6 also.
God has told us that the Catholic Church will survive to the end of time.
However, other churches are not doing so well:
[We must] talk of hard financial issues and church decline and growth, to address elephants in the room, and to speak truth to one another in love.” Executive Council of the Episcopal Church A month long investigation by Virtueonline into the numerical state of The Episcopal Church reveals that more than one third of all 6825 Episcopal parishes in the U.S. have an average Sunday attendance (ASA) of 40 or less. VOL believes that the figure of 2.3 million Episcopalians, regularly stated by TEC leaders and officials, does not reveal the true state of church attendance.
Piers Morgan is a Christh8r.
If God is so good, why does he let people profit off the harm done to others?
So, Rick gets the Christine O’Donnell treatment from Piers Morgan.
But, but, she’s a flake, looney and a witch.... /s
I had no idea that Santorum, who I support wholeheartedly, is a Catholic. Maybe that’s a good thing.
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I'm working my way through it. Here's my first favorite quote:
"Opponents of interracial marriage typically did not deny that marriage (understood as a union consummated by conjugal acts) between a black and a white was possible any more than proponents of segregated public facilities argued that some feature of the whites‐only water fountains made it impossible for blacks to drink from them. The whole point of antimiscegenation laws in the United States was to prevent the genuine possibility of interracial marriage from being realized or recognized, in order to maintain the gravely unjust system of white supremacy."
and my second:
"Real marriages are moral realities that create moral privileges and obligations between people, independently of legal enforcement. "
Not valid. What do you think the whole purpose of wxcommunication is all about? It was not just proests expelling heretics. It was also about shunning even of of priests ftom the congregation,s that profaned Gods will.
Is it s pdf document? I’m scared to click it if it, I’ve been having comp. problems and for some reason trying to open a pdf often causes a crash.
Defending the church against heresy is a completely different matter from avoiding sinners in general. Scripture is quite clear on the matter. If a brother, in other words a fellow believer, sins, we are supposed to help them repent and rejoin the fellowship. Correction should be done out of love, not anger, and the goal is to restore the brother. Unbelievers, on the other hand, haven’t repented and aren’t members of Christ’s church. The goal there isn’t to restore a believer so much as to make a sinner aware of their sinful nature and the salvation and forgiveness offered by Christ. Christ visited sinners and sat down to eat with them. If we don’t do the same, then sinners will never hear the word.
**I would love a Perry/Santorum ticket.**
So would I.
“Piers, I dont think the truth changes. I dont think right and wrong change based on different eras of time, Santorum responded.”
I heard this discussed on EWTN shortwave Catholic radio, and Santorum gave the perfect answer.
“The questions are always framed around those points: if you are against homos then you are for discrimination.”
We need some clever media types to point out the discrimination against folks with religious and secular morals.
Please add me to your Catholic list. Thank you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santorum_controversy_regarding_homosexuality ~ with the Senate vote yesterday to authorize bestiality in the military, you were on to something. Don’t want you to forget that.