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Australia’s Once Rugged Gun Owners Reduced to Criminals by Anti-Gun Nanny State
Ammoland.com ^ | 2 September, 2011 | Jeff Knox

Posted on 09/03/2011 5:00:54 AM PDT by marktwain

Manassas, VA --(Ammoland.com)- I’ve long been fascinated by Australia and its people.

A visit to that country has been high on my bucket list since I was just a kid, but more and more as I read about present-day Australia I am disappointed and saddened.

It seems that the days of rugged individualism and self-determination are gone from the land down under and the heroic characters of the past like Ned Kelly and Banjo Patterson have faded into the realm of myth and fairytales.

It wasn’t so long ago that the reputation of Australia included the belief that one Australian could easily – and happily – pommel any two men from any other country – more if she put down her baby. And Australian men had an even hardier reputation.

Sadly that’s no longer the case as Australia has apparently devolved into a namby-pamby society of effete urbanites, hen-pecked by anglophilic nannies and socialist, world-citizen politicians who revel in Australia’s rugged history while criminalizing and quashing any hint of such thought or action in present day.

My disappointment in Australia turned into outright disgust recently when I happened upon two stories in Australian media, both dated August 10. The first, the Sydney Morning Herald reported that the government of New South Wales had revoked the firearm license of Richard Hawkins, an 89-year old veteran of World War II, because the tool chest in which he locked up his two .22 rifles did not meet the government’s security standards. This was discovered during a routine “safe storage audit.”

Hawkins then disassembled the rifles and gave them to a local locksmith – the son of a war buddy – for safe-keeping until he could get a more secure storage container. Unfortunately one of the rifles was a semi-auto and therefore a “Category C” firearm requiring a special license to possess – a license the locksmith did not hold. The hearing officer cited these errors as proof of Hawkin’s inability to understand the rules of firearms ownership. The magistrate expressed further concern that the old vet was only able to shoot from a supported position due to back and neck injuries he sustained fighting for Australia’s freedom against Nazi and Japanese aggressors.

“In my opinion, it is not in the public interest for a person to hold a firearms license if that person does not have the physical capacity to safely use a firearm, including use in unexpected or emergency situations.”

Unexpected or emergency situations? These are .22 caliber rifles which are required to be locked, unloaded, in a government approved storage container at all times except when actually being used for government approved purposes. Mr. Hawkins, who lives alone on secluded land out in the country, explained that he used the .22s for pest control. What response to “unexpected or emergency situations” is this judge possibly referring to? Certainly not self-defense.

Then ABC Newcastle reported that during another routine “safe storage audit,” a loaded gun and ammunition were discovered locked in a farmer’s government approved firearms safe.

The nanny from the gun control coalition explained: “There’s a reason why firearms and ammunition are separated and that is for safety, particularly because guns are kept in the home. We need to ensure the persons that are in the home are as safe as possible. This is because of accidents or suicide or potential domestic violence situations.”

Clearly the farmer in this case, the husband of Pru Goward, a member of the New South Wales Parliament, like the battle-hardened veteran and life-long gun owner Mr. Hawkins, needs this nanny to keep him and his family safe. His case was scheduled to go to trial later this month.

Mr. Hawkins asked an important question when the police advised him that they were revoking his firearm license: “Haven’t you blokes got anything better to do than going around harassing war veterans?”

Seriously, how much time, money, and manpower is wasted in registering, inspecting, and confiscating guns from law-abiding citizens – and prosecuting those good citizens? Australia has spent Billions of dollars on this nonsense while their crime rates soared. At this point their violent crime rates are in decline, as they are in the US and Canada, but they are declining from record highs set after the people allowed themselves to be disarmed.

What could have been accomplished if all of that money and energy had been focused on criminals rather than law-abiding gun owners?

What’s most disheartening is that the Australian people are not outraged and revolted by stories like these. Sadly, the beautiful “land down under” has followed the UK into a true-to-life Monty Python joke.

About: The Firearms Coalition is a loose-knit coalition of individual Second Amendment activists, clubs and civil rights organizations. Founded by Neal Knox in 1984, the organization provides support to grassroots activists in the form of education, analysis of current issues, and with a historical perspective of the gun rights movement. The Firearms Coalition is a project of Neal Knox Associates, Manassas, VA. Visit: www.FirearmsCoalition.org

Copyright © 2011 Neal Knox Associates – The most trusted name in the rights movement.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: australia; banglist; philosophy; registration
GUN REGISTRATION IS GUN CONFISCATION (old but good)

The holy grail of the anti self defense and anti rights special interest groups is gun registration. This is because once your gun is required to be registered, it is in effect, already confiscated. Only a little thought will reveal to you why this is so. The Government will know who has legal possession of each firearm. They will know where the firearm is stored. When physical possession of the gun is desired, they can order you to turn it in. This has happened repeatedly. The historical examples include NAZI Germany, Soviet Russia, Red China, and Cambodia. Recent examples include Kosovo, Great Britian, Australia, New York, and California. Not having possession of the firearm registered to you can be grounds for criminal action. If you have reported the gun stolen, and it is then found in your possession, you can be charged with obstruction of justice.

It is a truism that once all guns are required to be registered, the only people who will legally possess guns will be those who have registered them. If you choose to follow the course of civil disobedience, and not register your firearms, mere possession of an unregistered gun can put you at grave legal risk. Civil disobedience has been the most common course of action in California and Canada, where it has proven impossible to enforce the laws requiring registration. If you choose this course of action, you would now be at the mercy of any informant who discovers that you possess a gun illegally. Children in the public schools are already being trained to tell the police if there is a gun in the house. Doctors are being urged to ask children if there are guns in their home. A warrant was issued in California for a SWAT raid based on the mere picture of people holding unidentified guns which were legal. The picture had been sent to the police by an informant in the film developing company. If you are not on the list of those who have registered, you have become a criminal. If you are forced to use the gun for self defense, you will have committed a serious crime. It will become extremely difficult to train your children in firearms safety or to bring friends or relatives into the gun culture. In a few years, the number of people with personal knowledge of guns will be much smaller. The people who urge gradual or immediate gun registration are attempting cultural genocide of the gun culture.

The common practice, once guns are required to be registered, is to gradually tighten the requirements of registration to reduce the number of gun owners. When the number is low enough to limit effective political action by the members of the gun culture affected, the remaining guns can be confiscated with little effort.

Gun registration has proven to be universally ineffective in reducing crime. In fact, crime is likely to increase because of the transfer of police resources from crime fighting to administer and police the political requirements of the gun registration scheme, and because of the reduced number of people willing or able to use their firearms for self defense. Self defense is never acknowledged by the anti rights special interest groups because it trumps their arguments for disarming the people. The primary purpose of gun registration has always been to reduce the political power of the people rather than reduce the crime rate.

The current attempt at requiring gun registration started in 1968, when congress required gun dealers to obtain a federal license, and purchasers of guns from federally licensed dealers were required to fill out a form 4473 to take possession. Congress forbid the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms from constructing any national gun registration list from this data, although a registration scheme of purchasers of more than one handgun within a week has been kept on the grounds that it was started before the congressional action forbidding such, and is therefore "grandfathered". In 1994, Congress passed the Brady bill, which required handgun purchasers to undergo an instant check or a five day wait to purchase a handgun. While parts of this act were ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, a little known part of the bill went into effect in 1998, requiring all purchasers of firearms from licensed dealers to undergo an "instant check" before taking possession. Two safeguards had been built into the bill to insure that it would not be used to develop a national registration of firearms. First, the FBI was forbidden to keep any records of instant checks that allow purchase. Second, the instant checks only applied to dealers, not to private sales. Since any gun owner could sell their firearm whenever they wished, without government permission, no registration list could effectively be developed, and effective gun confiscation was prevented.

During the last year, both of these safeguards have been under attack. The FBI has refused to immediately destroy the instant check information, although required to do so by law. Recently a three judge panel in Washington, D. C. has voted two to one to uphold their ability to do so. Both judges voting for gun registration are Clinton appointees. The Clinton administration has been vociferously promoting the elimination of the other safeguard, private sales, which they call the "gun show loophole". Once private parties are forbidden from selling guns without government permission, it is only a matter of time before all guns and gun owners who are not registered are illegal.

I find particularly troubling the emphasis during the last decade on guns that are seldom used in crime, but are quite useful in military service. The same people who stated that they were only interested in limiting handguns, now call for limiting the ownership of military style rifles. Many models of guns which are almost never used in crime, are now illegal for people to own in some locations. The latest outrageous attempt to remove power from the people is to place severe restrictions on the sale of .50 caliber rifles. The authors of this bill don't even claim that these guns are used in crime. They want to ban them because they have a military purpose! The clearest reason for the Second Amendment to the Constitution is to insure that the people retain a large measure of military power, to balance the power of the government. The republic is in grave danger when congressmen openly state that they fear military power in the hands of the people.

The only purpose of gun registration is gun confiscation, whether it is done individually and piecemeal, as the legal requirements to own a gun become more and more difficult, or en mass, when the government feels the necessity to disarm its citizens in order to further its control.

Governments that push for gun registration distrust their people, and have earned the people's distrust.

1 posted on 09/03/2011 5:01:01 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms ... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. “
—Thomas Jefferson, quoting 18th Century criminologist,
Cesare Beccaria, in “On Crimes and Punishment” (1764).


2 posted on 09/03/2011 5:07:57 AM PDT by Recon Dad ("Don't forget, incoming fire has the right of way..")
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To: marktwain
It saddens me to watch a formerly virile nation like Australia be neutered without a wimper.

Crockie
3 posted on 09/03/2011 5:18:01 AM PDT by 3Fingas ( Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: marktwain

I would be willing to bet that outside the big cities and population centers, a lot of people simply ignore the regulations. In my experience (I have been to Australia), “Diggers” are traditionally very independant people with a very low tolerance for bullshit.


4 posted on 09/03/2011 5:38:16 AM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: marktwain

Cool stuff. Connecting the dots is often difficult to do, which is why the write-up is so good.

Do you know where it came from and when? I want to post it on my home page, but also source it.


5 posted on 09/03/2011 5:38:25 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: GoldenPup
I would be willing to bet that outside the big cities and population centers, a lot of people simply ignore the regulations

And some of us simply get the correct licences and follow the regulations in the way that interferes as little as possible with what we need to do.

I'm an Australian gun owner. I own basic hunting rifles, handguns, and a semi-automatic ex-military rifle. Completely legally. Because rather than act hysterically and panic, I researched the law and found out what was needed to legally own firearms. The laws are not good laws, but there ways of navigating them so they are nowhere near as bad as some people think.

For example, I store my weapons according to the law - but I can have my guns ready for use within about 30 seconds if I need to. I'd prefer it if I could have them ready for use in one second, of course, I would.

The article is also pretty inaccurate about Australia's crime figures - there's no evidence that they soared following the gun buyback in the 1990s. They were in decline before the buyback and afterwards. It made no real difference one way or the other.

What happened to Mr Hawkins is unfair and unfortunate - but it was also avoidable.

6 posted on 09/03/2011 5:52:33 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: marktwain

One of the saddest things the Aussie elites did was destroy tens of thousands of milsurp Enfields and FALs. They wouldn’t even store them! The Chinese must be laughing. To the Chinese, Australia is a giant nearly uninhabited mine. The Aussies seem to be taking the exact opposite stance on national defense from the Swiss.


7 posted on 09/03/2011 6:09:57 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee; All
To the Chinese, Australia is a giant nearly uninhabited mine. The Aussies seem to be taking the exact opposite stance on national defense from the Swiss.

Exactly. Funded and promoted by George Soros through his agent Rebecca Peters. Of course, the Australian politicos at the national level were only too happy to force it on the Australian federal states and territories.

8 posted on 09/03/2011 6:21:10 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: marktwain

It’s very sad to see the willing emasculation of the once tough as nails Aussies.

The Chinese will just walk in some day.


9 posted on 09/03/2011 6:22:48 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

President Obama has done a great deal to promote nuclear proliferation. Australia’s hope to remain an independent nation depends and a combination Swiss strategy and becoming a nuclear power.

Does anyone think that President Obama would protect Australia from China?


10 posted on 09/03/2011 6:37:33 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: naturalman1975

the govt makes laws to make criminals.. simple. mr hawkins issue would of been avoidable without a govt looking to go after its ww 2 veterans


11 posted on 09/03/2011 6:38:59 AM PDT by GreaterSwiss
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To: Travis McGee
To the Chinese, Australia is a giant nearly uninhabited mine.

Man you nailed it. I have long thought along those lines but couldn't quite put words to it. Only a few pesky Aussies between them and a treasure trove of world class ore bodies, virtually free for the taking. Bravo.
12 posted on 09/03/2011 6:39:21 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: marktwain; All

and should be on

The Australian politicos dream of being part of a world government. Do they realy think they will be able to prevent a world government from allowing millions of overcroweded Chinese from moving to Australia?


13 posted on 09/03/2011 6:39:36 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: naturalman1975
The article is also pretty inaccurate about Australia's crime figures - there's no evidence that they soared following the gun buyback in the 1990s. They were in decline before the buyback and afterwards. It made no real difference one way or the other.

You are correct. I wish that Americans would do a little research on this. There was a brief spike in violent crime, but it was not statistically significant. Australian politicians publicly stated that the laws were to prevent Australia from developing a gun culture similar to the United States.

14 posted on 09/03/2011 6:42:27 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: marktwain
Μολὼν λαβέ
15 posted on 09/03/2011 6:46:13 AM PDT by kt56 (Molon Labe, Come take them)
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To: BobL

The freedominion link is the oldest online source available. Feel free to spread the article as far and wide as you like.

GUN REGISTRATION IS GUN CONFISCATION (old but good)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2608785/posts

GUN REGISTRATION IS GUN CONFISCATION

http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=119


16 posted on 09/03/2011 6:46:19 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: marktwain
Australian politicians publicly stated that the laws were to prevent Australia from developing a gun culture similar to the United States.

What gun culture are you talking about asshat? Maybe you should do a little research yourself instead of patting your self on the back because your politicians took away your right to keep and bear arms. Do you really think they have finished with their laws?

Like GB, they will continue to make them tougher and tougher until only a very few own firearms and there is no way to game the system as the one idiot from Australian was talking about.

The majority of people in the USA own firearms and the states with the least obtrusive gun laws have the lowest crime rates. Law abiding citizens don't commit crimes, even armed law abiding citizens don't commit crimes. The people who commit crimes don't obey laws, period. They will have firearms regardless of the laws while the law abiding are disarmed.

The crime rate in Australia will go up, it is only a matter of time. England had low crime rates for years when they first enacted idiotic gun laws but gradually crime increased and today crime is as bad, if not worse, than any nation in the world. Period. Recent riots being an example of crime run rampant.

17 posted on 09/03/2011 7:32:48 AM PDT by calex59
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BRIEF HISTORY OF US GUN CONTROL...

1961. We don’t want to take your guns away, we only want to register handguns. Long guns will not be affected. -Thomas J Dodd & Emauel Cellar

1964. We don’t want to take your guns away. We only want to register all of them! -Dodd -Cellar

1968. We don’t want to take your sporting guns away. We ONLY want to register them and ban ONLY the import of foreign Saturday night specials and five shot WWII military bolt action rifles!

1968 “Today we make America safe by taking the guns out of the hands of criminals!”...LBJ when he signed the 1968 gun control act into law.

1971. We don’t want to take your sporting guns away, we ONLY want to ban Saturday night specials.

1976. We don’t want to take your long guns away. We ONLY want to ban all handguns!

(From the original Handgun Control Inc group)....”We only want to control handguns. Long guns will not be affected.”

1981. The NRA is a rifle organization! They should give up their handguns! And they can keep their rifles! -Actress Lee Grant on GMA the day after Reagan was shot.

1989. We don’t want to ban your hunting rifles and shotguns. We ONLY want to ban handguns AND Assault rifles and shotguns.

We ONLY want to ban assault rifles and shotguns AND all fifty cal. rifles and handguns!

What stopped this mad rush for gun control was when 19 muslims flew planes into the WTC and Pentegon, and America woke up that the threat was within our own borders.


18 posted on 09/03/2011 8:03:01 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare! NEW PHOTOS & PAINTINGS)
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To: naturalman1975

I hope you are sharing your experience with other Australians who wish not to become victems or statistics of crime or the “bad guys”.


19 posted on 09/03/2011 8:28:24 AM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: marktwain

Thanks, appreciate it.


20 posted on 09/03/2011 8:38:23 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: calex59; All

I doubt if we disagree on much. I merely stated the facts. I find that the idea that the Australian politicians publicly wanted to prevent Australians from developing a gun culture like the United States, to be reprehensible. The United States has one of the best and strongest gun cultures in the world.

People in Australia were developing a similar gun culture. There was/is an Australian version of the NRA that is very politically active and effective. The politicians did not like that and conspired to destroy it. The plan was funded by George Soros and implemented by Rebecca Peters, who is now Soros voice at the UN.

The war is not over yet.


21 posted on 09/03/2011 9:37:57 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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