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FEC Allows Presidential Campaign for Foreign-Born Man
Roll Call ^ | Sept. 02, 2011 | Alex Knott

Posted on 09/03/2011 9:46:40 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen

The Federal Election Commission ruled Friday that a Guyana-born American citizen could file papers and raise money to run for president of the United States. But the agency also told the prospective candidate, Abdul Hassan, that his campaign may not receive federal matching funds because he was not born in America.

The FEC’s unanimous vote allows Hassan — who born in the South American country in 1974 — to be a candidate, solicit funds and requires him to file disclosure reports for a presidential bid. However, the agency’s decision stopped short of addressing the constitutional issue of whether someone born outside the United States can be president.

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KEYWORDS: campaign; fec; foreignborn; funding; naturalborn; naturalborncitizen; president
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About a dozen of these individuals wrote letters to the FEC stating that Hassan should not be allowed to run for president.
1 posted on 09/03/2011 9:46:44 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen
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To: SvenMagnussen
Again?
2 posted on 09/03/2011 9:48:12 AM PDT by cc2k ( If having an "R" makes you conservative, does walking into a barn make you a horse's (_*_)?)
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To: SvenMagnussen

Kind of like a legalized, Nigerian Bank Account scam.


3 posted on 09/03/2011 9:50:25 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Coming November 2012 - The End of an Error.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

Again?


4 posted on 09/03/2011 9:52:27 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: SvenMagnussen
Obama Forgoes Public Funds in First for Major Candidate (2008)

So, wouldn't be the first time....

5 posted on 09/03/2011 9:53:17 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all......)
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To: SvenMagnussen

I was really hopping this was satire.


6 posted on 09/03/2011 9:55:23 AM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: Liz; AuntB; La Lydia

Nana-for-president PING


7 posted on 09/03/2011 9:55:53 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: SvenMagnussen
"They said that current federal election law allows for someone to be a candidate, regardless of whether they can legally hold the office they seek"

Fine, great, let's make an absurdity out of everything.

8 posted on 09/03/2011 9:56:34 AM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: SvenMagnussen
"This does not mean that he can go and say ‘look the FEC has said that I am a candidate, give me money, I’m official,’” said Republican Commissioner Donald McGahn. “That is not what we do here; we don’t certify you as a candidate. That’s what the states do.”

Nope. The states don't do it either. There is no legal procedure on the books anywhere for any candidate to prove they meet the Constitutional requirements. All they have to do is "swear" to it - or have someone else swear to it.

And what's sad is that even knowing he's ineligible, citizens cannot file suit to stop him because we don't have standing. We have to rely upon government officials to interpret the Constitution and make a decision.

9 posted on 09/03/2011 10:03:16 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: SvenMagnussen

The heck with the Constitution! Let anyone run for President...again! s/


10 posted on 09/03/2011 10:03:33 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (DeMint /Palin, DeMint/Bachmann, DeMint/Cain, DeMint/Ryan 2012!!!!!!!)
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To: cc2k

From the article:

“But FEC commissioners said repeatedly that their decision to define Hassan as a candidate had nothing to do with his birth country. They said that current federal election law allows for someone to be a candidate, regardless of whether they can legally hold the office they seek and that the FEC is not charged with deciding presidential criteria including one’s natural-born citizenship.

“This does not mean that he can go and say ‘look the FEC has said that I am a candidate, give me money, I’m official,’” said Republican Commissioner Donald McGahn. “That is not what we do here; we don’t certify you as a candidate. That’s what the states do.”

During Thursday’s meeting, commissioners said they had trepidation about voting for Hassan’s candidacy because of how it might be perceived.

“By saying that it is okay — it does give the impression that we don’t see a problem,” said Democratic Commissioner Steven Walther. “I think that we really need to be cognizant of how this could be misconstrued.”


11 posted on 09/03/2011 10:04:33 AM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

WHAT A SHAM!!!! Doesn’t the FEC know THAT”S ILLEGAL????


12 posted on 09/03/2011 10:05:05 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion is the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

It’s sad.

The FEC just passed the buck.

Maybe this will actually put some laws on the books.

I can hope.


13 posted on 09/03/2011 10:06:41 AM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: SvenMagnussen
Obviously the FEC is another cell in the brain of government to become cancerous. When the brain dies the body ceases to function. Death.
14 posted on 09/03/2011 10:12:10 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Yes Palin CAN whup the Obamanable snowman!)
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To: SvenMagnussen

ENOUGH is ENOUGH!

Time to get some good strong rope, find small tall tress, and teach these faceless bureaucrats that the CONSTITUTION means what it says!

NO FOREIGN BORN person may run - period - end - STOP.

15 posted on 09/03/2011 10:13:09 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: SvenMagnussen

a sign of hope for Harrison Bounell!

Bounell-Biden 2012!


16 posted on 09/03/2011 10:13:54 AM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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To: SvenMagnussen

REASON #4 Why I Am A Birther ... it appears that it is NOBODY’S JOB to ensure a candidate meets the Constitutional Requirements of the Office. That is not acceptable.


17 posted on 09/03/2011 10:20:41 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (So much stress was put on Bush's Fault that it finally let go, magnitude 6)
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To: SvenMagnussen
Well, he already has a campaign photo out.


Abdul Hassan

18 posted on 09/03/2011 10:21:29 AM PDT by Palter (Celebrate diversity .22, .223, .25, 9mm, .32 .357, 10mm, .44, .45, .500)
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To: alice_in_bubbaland
The heck with the Constitution! Let anyone run for President...again! s/

It's an interesting question, because the Founders didn't see the modern campaign in their time. So it doesn't say that a non eligible person can't declare they are running, it just says who is eligible to actually hold the office

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President
There have been plenty of satirical candidacies (first I recall was Pat Paulsen from The Smothers Brothers comedy show). The article quotes the FEC as saying they have no authority; any freeper lawyers actually look at the FEC's authorizing legislation to see if legal authority to screen out ineligibles exists?

This nut could not win, but if in any circumstance like this an ineligible person did win, I'd hope the Congress would refuse to certify, and the Chief Justice would refuse to swear him in. It's time for a national certifying body to prescreen using agreed upon standards.

19 posted on 09/03/2011 10:26:51 AM PDT by sometime lurker
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To: Ann Archy

Technically, it’s not illegal. That’s the problem.


20 posted on 09/03/2011 10:31:52 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: NonValueAdded

Kind of sounds like it’s being run by a Mexican Union.

“Not my yob man”


21 posted on 09/03/2011 10:34:12 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: El Sordo

I doubt it. The Secretaries of State will pass the buck too.


22 posted on 09/03/2011 10:34:55 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: SvenMagnussen

Who is really surprised any more.

The left has declared the Constitution a dead letter anyways.


23 posted on 09/03/2011 10:37:38 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I retain hope.

Perhaps when Obama is out of office and the issue is not quite as emotionally charged, at least one state can formalize something.


24 posted on 09/03/2011 10:38:26 AM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

This and the FEC is a farce.
Conceptually the laws of gravity and thermodynamics should be ignored as well since it’s not anyones job to enforce either.
Guess it’s not my job to tell that dickweed to quit smoking while putting gas in his car.
Let’s all leave the policeing of common sense to someone else. God forbid we cause a PC fuss by pointing out the obvious!


25 posted on 09/03/2011 10:40:33 AM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

Draft Bibi Netanyahu!!???


26 posted on 09/03/2011 10:40:43 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Palter

What a charmer!!!!

Only thing missing is the booking number & the date & jurisdiction.


27 posted on 09/03/2011 10:41:25 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

However, the agency’s decision stopped short of addressing the ***constitutional issue*** of whether someone born outside the United States can be president.

What country is this?it isn’t America.


28 posted on 09/03/2011 10:44:16 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: SvenMagnussen

Apparently a good many members of the FEC have NOT read the constitution.

But, then, in the Age of Obama that’s nothing new.


29 posted on 09/03/2011 10:44:16 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: SvenMagnussen
stopped short of addressing the constitutional issue of whether someone born outside the United States can be president

Everyone here knew it would happen ... and is called precedence. The gates are open for anyone to run for President of the U.S. Everyone with a brain knows zer0 is in the office illegally. Precedence established.

30 posted on 09/03/2011 10:47:56 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

This is completely wrong. He’s not eligible to be president so any funds he would be given would be solicited fraudulently.

What is wrong with these people?


31 posted on 09/03/2011 10:52:19 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: sometime lurker

“There have been plenty of satirical candidacies...”

Sure, but there is a big chasm between satire, or even publicity seeking, and fraud.

I’m sure Pat Paulson was eligible to serve as President.

I have no problem with people running for office, even this man, maybe he should consider running for mayor of his town or something.

But the FEC has just endorsed fraud and basically said: hey if it’s fraud that’s up to someone else to determine.

Don’t those commissioners take some sort of oath to uphold the law?


32 posted on 09/03/2011 10:59:37 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: SERKIT
re: Obama Forgoes Public Funds in First for Major Candidate (2008)

Bing!!! In light of this recent decision and the accompanying statements by the Commissioners, could it be that Obama did not want to push the question? While ballot access might not be the purview of the FEC, they would have to apply a definition of "Natural Born Citizen" in deciding if Obama was eligible to receive the funds. Hmmmmmmmm

33 posted on 09/03/2011 11:03:27 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (So much stress was put on Bush's Fault that it finally let go, magnitude 6)
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To: El Sordo

I would like to see the background and actual wording of this ‘law’. It is preposterous that a Federal bureacrcy can have authoity to allow/permit a person to act to seek something which the person cannot have legally. Of course I realize these are people doing their thing.


34 posted on 09/03/2011 11:06:21 AM PDT by noinfringers3
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To: NonValueAdded
re: Obama Forgoes Public Funds in First for Major Candidate (2008)

Conventional state-run media.......crickets........

35 posted on 09/03/2011 11:06:28 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all......)
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To: Palter

You trickster! I see what you did there....


36 posted on 09/03/2011 11:07:06 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I like both Perry and Palin, and will vote for whichever of them wins.)
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To: El Sordo
It’s sad. The FEC just passed the buck. Maybe this will actually put some laws on the books. I can hope.

And they did it on a Friday before a three-day holiday in hopes the news would sink without a trace.

This is an issue that no one in government will take any responsibility for. Here the FEC says eligiblity is not part of their charter. The states want the feds to take charge of it. Our federal representatives refuse to acknowledge a problem The courts rule that the cases brought before them are either not ripe or so ripe they dare not touch them.

37 posted on 09/03/2011 11:07:18 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: SvenMagnussen

Did the “commissioners” take an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution? If so, they’ve broken it!


38 posted on 09/03/2011 11:51:27 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Condor51
"Time to get some good strong rope, find small tall tress, and teach these faceless bureaucrats that the CONSTITUTION means what it says! NO FOREIGN BORN person may run - period - end - STOP. "

Not sure what your game here is. The Constitution says no such thing.

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of U.S. Constitution as adopted 17 Sep 1787:

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

39 posted on 09/03/2011 11:57:50 AM PDT by Godebert
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To: SvenMagnussen
Give them the whole damn country. I'm sick of all of this and am ready to take the Constitution,overthrow some banana
republic and just start over. William Walker was from Tn. and
so am I.
40 posted on 09/03/2011 12:09:25 PM PDT by WePledge (Ich werde fur immer ein Hollenhund werden. Semper Fidelis)
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To: cc2k; SvenMagnussen; LucyT; little jeremiah; Red Steel; Fred Nerks; Kenny Bunk; butterdezillion; ...

Sven, now that you are here, you have never explained to us how Barry the usurper and illegal alien is able to use a Connecticut recycled Social Security Card/Number?

The case Judge Lamberth classified as: “Not your lucky day,” hmmm!!!


41 posted on 09/03/2011 12:13:26 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: ridesthemiles

That’s Obummer’s drunken uncle Omar de’Illigitamae.


42 posted on 09/03/2011 12:14:17 PM PDT by WePledge (Ich werde fur immer ein Hollenhund werden. Semper Fidelis)
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To: jocon307

The question is do they have the authority to make the determination, and if they don’t, that needs to change. If they have the authority and aren’t using it, get them out and get someone in who will. But to talk of stringing them up, as some have (post 15) is not the right answer. Make sure they have the authority, and make sure they use it.


43 posted on 09/03/2011 12:49:26 PM PDT by sometime lurker
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To: danamco
“But FEC commissioners said repeatedly that their decision to define Hassan as a candidate had nothing to do with his birth country. They said that current federal election law allows for someone to be a candidate, regardless of whether they can legally hold the office they seek and that the FEC is not charged with deciding presidential criteria including one’s natural-born citizenship.

Who pays the salaries of these Richard Craniums?

44 posted on 09/03/2011 1:01:58 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Ya know...

I think I jumped the gun. I had to step back and ask myself: “Well self, just what IS the FEC supposed to do?” I found that I could not articulate an answer.

Upon invetigatying, I think I overreacted a bit.

From Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Election_Commission )

Official duties

Although the Commission's name implies broad authority over U.S. elections, in fact its role is limited to the administration of federal campaign finance laws. It enforces limitations and prohibitions on contributions and expenditures, investigates and prosecutes violations (investigations are typically initiated by complaints from other candidates, parties, “watchdog groups,” and the public), audits a limited number of campaigns and organizations for compliance, and administers the presidential campaign fund, which provides public funds to candidates for president and nominating conventions.

From the FEC website ( http://www.fec.gov/ans/answers.shtml )

What does the FEC do?

The Federal Election Commission (FEC) is an independent regulatory agency established in 1975 to administer and enforce the Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA). That statute limits the sources and amounts of the contributions used to finance federal elections, requires public disclosure of campaign finance information and—in tandem with the Primary Matching Payment Act and the Presidential Election Campaign Fund Act—provides for the public funding of Presidential elections. For more information on the FEC’s role in regulating federal elections, see the brochure “The FEC and the Federal Campaign Finance Law.”

Please note that the rules governing elections for state or local offices and procedures for getting on the ballot for an election are outside of the purview of the FEC. You will want to contact the Secretary of State or appropriate election office in your state for more information. For a guide to state offices, please see our Combined Federal/State Disclosure and Election Directory.

and

How do I get my name on the ballot?

Contact the Secretary of State or appropriate election office in your state for more information. For a guide to state offices, please see our Combined Federal/State Disclosure and Election Directory or visit our Compliance Map. You may also want to consult our list of ballot deadlines for Congressional candidates.


So, I still think we have a failure at the state level to establish a legal basis of eligibility verification. But, I'm now inclined to think that the FEC is not and probably should not be a part of it. As far as fraud issues should an inelligible candidate solicit monies, I'd need to think of that a bit.

45 posted on 09/03/2011 1:26:07 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: sometime lurker

Thoughts on post #45?


46 posted on 09/03/2011 1:27:33 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Palter

I think I can guess his campaign theme. I have enough money to pay off the national debt of the US but it is being held in a bank account somewhere in Nigeria but I am unable to access it. With your help we can liberate it but I need some money to bribe some corrupt officials there.


47 posted on 09/03/2011 1:33:38 PM PDT by xp38
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To: SvenMagnussen

Another muslim? Already have one in the whitehouse now, we don’t need another to even begin to run for it.


48 posted on 09/03/2011 1:38:43 PM PDT by tillacum
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To: Godebert
Not sure what your game here is. The Constitution says no such thing.

Yup.

There's nothing in the Constitution saying whether someone can actually run for the office of President or not. Or even whether they can/can't be elected to it. Just whether someone is qualified to actually hold it.

So, IOW, a non-Natural Born Citizen (or even a foreigner) CAN run for office, can even be elected to it. But that person can never actually ASSUME the office.
49 posted on 09/03/2011 1:43:43 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter
So, IOW, a non-Natural Born Citizen (or even a foreigner) CAN run for office, can even be elected to it. But that person can never actually ASSUME the office.

That sounds like exactly what happened in 2008 except we found out there is no mechanism to keep an ineligible candidate from assuming the office, especially when they have the support (or at least not the opposition) of both major parties and the mainstream media. So it looks like we're going to go through this every election now.

50 posted on 09/03/2011 2:21:28 PM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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