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Perry tells NH no to border fence
Yahoo ^ | 9/3/11 | Steve Peoples - ap

Posted on 09/03/2011 1:35:22 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: Graybeard58; hinckley buzzard

What about tunnels? Israel has a wall, but there are tunnels.

We need land mines and troops. And mostly, a government that says, “If you come here illegally, you will be stripped of assets and deported with a criminal record. You will never be allowed here again. Any employer that hires you will be fined/penalized.”


101 posted on 09/03/2011 2:08:21 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: Steel Wolf

Hadrian’s Wall then? :)


102 posted on 09/03/2011 2:08:21 PM PDT by MNlurker
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To: USNBandit

A fence may work well in some places, but the California border (and Arizona and New Mexico borders, for that matter) don’t have the Big Bend/Rio Grande separating them from Mexico.

Completely different situation from Texas.


103 posted on 09/03/2011 2:08:25 PM PDT by Jedidah (I'll vote for an earthworm before I'll vote for Obama. So wiggle on in, Rick Perry.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
He had his state file an Amicus brief supporting Arizona’s law, so you are quite incorrect.

He didn’t want the same law in Texas. You should get your attacks straight.

Now that's the kind of cognitive dissonance we've come to know and love from our government drones. IOW, that's talking out of both sides of his mouth.

104 posted on 09/03/2011 2:08:53 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I like both Perry and Palin, and will vote for whichever of them wins.)
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To: Winstons Julia

“The fence is useless. We need land mines and/or troops on the border.”

I go for both. About 15 years ago I called a conservative talk show and said that we should just start shooting people who cross the border because we probably wouldn’t have to shoot more than a few hundred and the problem would be permanently fixed - and was howled off the radio in a rant. I say I was right then and I’m still right. CA probably wouldn’t be bankrupt today if they had taken steps decades ago. We are governed by sissies and our enemies know it, especially the ROP.


105 posted on 09/03/2011 2:09:12 PM PDT by klb99 (I now understand why the South seceeded)
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To: Leaning Right
The Berlin Wall worked...

at keeping people imprisoned.

Is that what you want?

106 posted on 09/03/2011 2:09:49 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Proud to be a RINO.)
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To: cripplecreek

What? Canada’s not sympathetic to illegals?


107 posted on 09/03/2011 2:09:55 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: USNBandit
What good does it do for a state to pass laws to deal with illegals when the Obama Admin turns around and sues the state?

It would be impossible to build a fence the length of the border between TX & Mexico.

108 posted on 09/03/2011 2:10:26 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Clairity
What the anti-Perry people don’t tell you is the rest of the story, that Perry wants “boots on the ground”, National Guard troops on the border, because that is more effective than a fence.

I like Perry just fine and have defended him often, but I just disagree with him here and he seems a little weak to me when it comes to securing the border.

There is no reason we can't build a border fence. The only thing really stopping it is bogus law suits and a complete lack of will.

Great, he's for boots on the ground, but I am suspicious that anyone who doesn't want a fence won't be serious about the boots on the ground piece either when it comes time to walk the walk.

The anti-Perry folks spit out a lot of stuff that doesn't concern me. His flubs over Gardasil and the TTC don't bother me too much, but being weak on securing the border does.

If we had the will securing the border would not be very difficult and everyone in the world knows it. Build the fence, put large numbers of National Guard on the border, and train up 25,000 more border police. Problem solved. We need all of the above.

This is coming from someone that likes Perry and defends him constantly. He needs to assure people like me that the status quo on the border will change.

109 posted on 09/03/2011 2:10:37 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: NormsRevenge

whats to stop someone from meixco from just coming here for a day and staying? thats why i dont understand what a border fence would do...


110 posted on 09/03/2011 2:10:38 PM PDT by GreaterSwiss
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To: bgill

Bush also put “boots on the ground” he just didn’t allow them to have ammo and they had a standing order to retreat if confronted.


111 posted on 09/03/2011 2:10:49 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Graybeard58

There is a river except where there is a lake.

Neither a wall or a fence is feasible in Texas. Either is a stupid suggestion. I mean lame brained, ridiculous, idiotic.

The solution is ruthless capture of hundreds or even thousands of illegal border crossers. Rather than kissing their asses, harsh and long remembered incarceration of men,women and children will solve the problem and be more reliable and a lot cheaper.

Mortal fear is the only solution


112 posted on 09/03/2011 2:10:49 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Rats carry plague)
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To: Leaning Right

The ignorance of Texas geography on this thread is astonishing, since it is essentially a thread about Texas geography.

People just running their mouths (or keyboards) without knowing the facts.


113 posted on 09/03/2011 2:11:00 PM PDT by Jedidah (I'll vote for an earthworm before I'll vote for Obama. So wiggle on in, Rick Perry.)
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To: klb99

I’m very tired of this humanitarian crap. We are being overrun. It’s time to get serious.


114 posted on 09/03/2011 2:11:06 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

“They OWN property on the other side”

Oh really?
And just how does that work, since Americans can only LEASE, but not OWN land in Mexico?

The few yards of border’s edge land required for the fence construction might be the first legitimate use of eminent domain in decades.


115 posted on 09/03/2011 2:11:22 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: magna carta

Oh, really?

http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Sarah_Palin_Immigration.htm


116 posted on 09/03/2011 2:12:00 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: Winstons Julia

me too. I think it’s a great idea. I don’t know why we havent used them in Af/Pak. Mine the entire border where the Taliban goes in and out.

I can’t imagine it would be too popular politically, though.


117 posted on 09/03/2011 2:12:17 PM PDT by jeltz25
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To: Jedidah

Not only that but it does not at all address the tens of millions already in the country, or the reason we have them here.


118 posted on 09/03/2011 2:13:53 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Proud to be a RINO.)
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To: Jedidah

HERE ARE THE FACTS. MEXICO IS SENDING LOW IQ GRUNTS AND CRIMINALS INTO THE US AT ABOUT 500K / YEAR. TEXAS IS THE FRONT LINE - SO DO SOMETHING G-DAMMIT.


119 posted on 09/03/2011 2:14:11 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: cripplecreek

Those numbers appear WAY too low, I suppose that is just the invaders from Mex. & So. America?

Needs to add the invaders from the rest of the world too in order to be accurate.


120 posted on 09/03/2011 2:14:22 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: muawiyah

There were about 30 Mexican Army just last month who drove their humvees across the Donna international bridge but claimed they were lost when they got caught. We did nothing but point them south.

Riiiight, and I’m the toothfairy.


121 posted on 09/03/2011 2:14:46 PM PDT by bgill (just getting tagline ready for 6 months after you vote in Perry - Tried to warn you he's a RINO.)
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To: Eagle Eye

It’s an amazing thing ain’t it. Before 0bama I didn’t give it much thought but you know, his dictator wannabe personality makes me nervous about having a border wall now.


122 posted on 09/03/2011 2:15:15 PM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: lonestar

I agree completely. People are letting their anger talk so loud their brains can’t think. There are tunnels now so there will be tunnels where ever a fence is built. Patrols with the power of enforcement and a foreign workers visa allowing a specific type of employment and time of stay need to be available and controlled by the Federal Government as States make their needs for workers known to the Government slots can come available.

The states all need to decide to get behind enforcing the laws we have and identifying illegal visitors, deporting them into their countries - far beyond the border by plane. While squatters from abroad are being empowered by liberals to stay and demand benefits, accommodations in our schools and workplaces, free medical care and monetary support they will flood any barrier that can be built. The Berlin wall was to keep Berliners in not foreigners out.

I agree with Perry, Americans need to stand together as a country and deport people who are not willing to make their legal commitment to America, speak our language and uphold our values of religious freedom, freedom of speech and civic responsibility. Any foreign worker should have his/her visa revoked and be deported if a crime is committed by them or if they are unable to find a job. No welfare. No more anchor babies, parents need to be green card holders to get citizenship for their children.


123 posted on 09/03/2011 2:15:19 PM PDT by JayGalt
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To: Longbow1969

Check out my posts 87 asnd 99 on this thread — with links.


124 posted on 09/03/2011 2:15:53 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: Winstons Julia

———there are tunnels.-——

Source please.

Where are there tunnels under the wall?

Where is there a wall along a river border?


125 posted on 09/03/2011 2:16:08 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Rats carry plague)
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To: Jedidah
Trust me, I know that terrain. The problem with putting a fence out there is you still need somebody to guard the fence. Immigration enforcement inside this country is the way to stop it.

I don't mind having a guest worker program for certain industries, but that doesn't mean bringing the whole family. When a legal immigrant shows up they have to be able to support themselves and the illegals get a pass.

In the meantime the two governments collude to sucker literally millions out into the desert southwest into some of the most dangerous terrain around. There they are fleeced by "coyotes", held captive by smugglers, and killed by violence or the elements.

126 posted on 09/03/2011 2:16:15 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: jeltz25

It’s our border. We are a sovereign nation. Illegals are running over our border. It’s time to do something serious.

Let’s quit jugging the hot potato and deal with the issue. We graduate over 50,000 illegal aliens a year from our public high schools.

HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? It’s bull... pucky.


127 posted on 09/03/2011 2:16:19 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: Eagle Eye
The Berlin Wall worked...

at keeping people imprisoned. Is that what you want?

Please don't be silly. You know we're talking about the physical effectiveness of a wall here, not the political decisions for the wall.

128 posted on 09/03/2011 2:17:01 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: bert

In Israel there are tunnels. You can Google.


129 posted on 09/03/2011 2:17:34 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: Winstons Julia

They’re sympathetic but becoming less so all the time.

Several years ago they let some 1500 illegals from Mexico into Windsor from Detroit on a temporary basis while things were sorted out. They’re still there.


130 posted on 09/03/2011 2:17:47 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Fences aren't the only solution, or even the best solution, for the entire border.

Agree 100%.

Illegal immigrants are a huge problem, and FWIW I strongly disagree with Perry on in-state tuition for illegals.

That said, a fence across our entire Southern border is just a feel-good solution that will cost an unbelievable amount of money and won't actually get the job done.

Liberals are notorious for those. Conservatives should be better than that.

131 posted on 09/03/2011 2:17:47 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Sheesh. Go away and stay away Newt.)
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To: Leaning Right
see #91

You couldn't travel the border between TX & Mexico, much less build a fence.

I went through Checkpoint Charlie...what made the Berlin Wall work was the armed guards in guard houses along the wall ready to shoot...and did.

It was built in the city to split East from West Berlin...and was built to keep people in, not to keep people out.

132 posted on 09/03/2011 2:18:09 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: JayGalt

We need a physical barrier because the politicians WILL NEVER EVER ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS. The nation is corrupt.


133 posted on 09/03/2011 2:18:17 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Eagle Eye
The Berlin wall was used to keep people in. We whish to keep Ilegals out. Sheesh. Typical veneer thin comparison.
134 posted on 09/03/2011 2:18:58 PM PDT by fantom (,)
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To: JayGalt
How about a fence and NO foreign worker visa. We have a high unemployment rate. Seems to me this is a shovel ready project and jobs for Americans.

Why is it you guys keep coming up with this foreign worker visa business? Just pay the help.

135 posted on 09/03/2011 2:19:04 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Clairity

not accurate. she is the only way to state explicitly that they will be deported if they cannot follow the rules. Since it is clear she is “not for sale” there is no motivation for her to back an amnesty plan. Perry has a record of avoiding this issue.She also spoke out against the DREAM ACT on Ellis Island.
Perry sucks on this issue everyone knows it and Americans are pissed off! We want enforcement and if Palin runs the liklihood is substantially higher that she will do the toilet scrubbing needed to get it done.


136 posted on 09/03/2011 2:20:20 PM PDT by magna carta
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To: Jedidah
Please consider that some of us here are not as uninformed as you may think.

We well understand the nature of Texas geography, and we still think a fence should be considered.

137 posted on 09/03/2011 2:20:30 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Loyal Sedition
Needs to add the invaders from the rest of the world too in order to be accurate.

True enough. Its not unusual to find illegal Chinese and Arabs in my neck of the woods. If they aren't simple visa overstays, 9 times out of 10 they came across our southern border.
138 posted on 09/03/2011 2:20:35 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: USNBandit
One other thing. UAVs are an incredibly stupid idea for patrolling the border. It takes just as many pilots and sensor operators, if not more. It requires a launch and recovery team, and the FAA has only limited tracks open for UAS.

A Predator B costs $10 million for a bird with only a camera. In Arizona CBP is required to escort those aircraft out to the small track and back. You could do a better job with a Cessna Caravan and a Wescam MX-15 and not be limited to one area.

139 posted on 09/03/2011 2:21:10 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: NormsRevenge

140 posted on 09/03/2011 2:21:10 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction." Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: NormsRevenge

No more One World RINO candidates.

Perry has just proven himself to have the heart and soul of a RINO.

PS Individual Texans, doing what Texans have always done, made the “Texas Miracle”, not their governor or any other Texas bureaucrat.


141 posted on 09/03/2011 2:21:29 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles.)
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To: fantom

That’s right, could never happen here, right?


142 posted on 09/03/2011 2:21:42 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Proud to be a RINO.)
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To: NormsRevenge; Cincinatus' Wife

America says GUARD THE BORDERS !!!!
and Perry hears ‘gardasil’


143 posted on 09/03/2011 2:23:29 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction." Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Leaning Right

Go back and think about what you just said and still see if you want an inpenatrable wall at the border...TSA at the airports, ship ports, bus and train stations....hey, if you’re a law abiding citizen what do you have to fear, right?


144 posted on 09/03/2011 2:24:31 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Proud to be a RINO.)
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To: fantom

I guarantee you these Freepers that are against the fence/wall are all probably well off and have nannies, maids, cooks and gardeners that are from south of the border - like Perry does.


145 posted on 09/03/2011 2:25:10 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Leaning Right
We well understand the nature of Texas geography, and we still think a fence should be considered.

Right again and a fence is only a first line of defense to be combined with real patrol and enforcement measures.
146 posted on 09/03/2011 2:25:10 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: NormsRevenge
A fence makes sense -- from the Pacific to El Paso.

It doesn't make sense -- from El Paso to Brownsville.

The Rio Grande is the only water source for fifty miles thru much of that area. A fence that blocked cattle, livestock and irrigation pumps off from the river would make millions of acres worthless and impoverish thousands.

There are smarter, more effective ways to approach the problem. Let's try those, instead, rather than dogmatically repeat the mantra "Build a fence!"

"Create a barrier" to illegal aliens! How about that?

147 posted on 09/03/2011 2:25:16 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: lonestar
You couldn't travel the border between TX & Mexico, much less build a fence.

I agree that's true for much of the border. But that's not a problem because the fence does not have to be built right up on the border. Build it to take advantage of the terrain, even if it is often a distance from the border at places.

148 posted on 09/03/2011 2:25:18 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Clairity
Check out my posts 87 asnd 99 on this thread — with links.

I did, and I am still not buying the reasoning for not building a fence.

From your post:

“There are places along the border that strategic fencing worked, particularly in the metropolitan areas,” Perry said. “The idea that we’re going to build a wall from El Paso to Brownsville doesn’t make sense ‘cause the fact of the matter is you know, number one, you’d never get it built, and it’d cost billions of dollars ... by the time you go from Tijuana to Brownsville.” Perry said that he does support putting “boots on the ground” and using “aviation assets” (i.e. aerial drones) to secure the border.

I see more excuse making here. He is saying building a fence from El Paso to Brownsville doesn't make sense because it would never get built and cost billions of dollars. It hasn't been built because there is no political will, and billions of dollars to secure the border with Mexico seems like a very solid national security investment to me.

I like Perry and of the candidates in the race, I think he is probably our best choice, but the good that is going to come out of this primary is that each of our folks gets fully vetted. As I said, most of the anti-Perry cut and paste jobs and rants about Gardasil are not persuasive, but we definitely need to change the status quo on the border and I think a fence is a darn good place to start. It certainly won't work in a vacuum, but it can be a piece of an overall national security border strategy.

149 posted on 09/03/2011 2:25:28 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Forgotten Amendments

Agree 100% with you. A fence is not a realistic, viable solution.


150 posted on 09/03/2011 2:25:38 PM PDT by rjeffries
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