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Perry tells NH no to border fence
Yahoo ^ | 9/3/11 | Steve Peoples - ap

Posted on 09/03/2011 1:35:22 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: JayGalt

I agree with Perry, Americans need to stand together as a country and deport people who are not willing to make their legal commitment to America, speak our language and uphold our values of religious freedom, freedom of speech and civic responsibility.

No way.Giving the country away after all the blood spilled and the prevalence of separatism in politics is a suicide nation-killing delusional idea. If you want America fight for it like a real man.Otherwise we will deport you.

Sarkozy: “immigrants should be selected,not endured”


151 posted on 09/03/2011 2:25:44 PM PDT by magna carta
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To: lonestar
It's 1200 to 1500 miles long...and all kinds of terrain. Have you ever been to Big Bend? It would be a stupid waste of $$$...and wouldn't work!

Berlin's 110 mile wall worked. Israel's 500 mile wall works well. China's 31,000 mile Great Wall did it's job. Yeah, better to waste $$$ on welfare, health care, food, education, housing, garbage disposal, road traffic, pollution, courts, prisons, potable water, and jobs those lazy Americans don't want, huh.

152 posted on 09/03/2011 2:25:55 PM PDT by bgill (just getting tagline ready for 6 months after you vote in Perry - Tried to warn you he's a RINO.)
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To: USNBandit
I don't mind having a guest worker program for certain industries, but that doesn't mean bringing the whole family.

E.g., the "Bracero Program".

It worked...until LBJ pandered to the Cesar Chavez crowd.

153 posted on 09/03/2011 2:26:58 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Tailback

What good does a fence do if nobody is there patrolling? We’ll wake up every morning to find holes in the fence, that end up costing taxpayers $20,000 sq/ft to fix.

A fence is an idiotic idea.


154 posted on 09/03/2011 2:26:58 PM PDT by rjeffries
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To: bgill

It’s about fence DESIGN but they never mention this.


155 posted on 09/03/2011 2:27:07 PM PDT by magna carta
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To: Cyber Liberty

What did he say? Is he wrong?


156 posted on 09/03/2011 2:27:18 PM PDT by RichardW
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To: Forgotten Amendments
So for the sake of a few people who control some property on the Mexican side of the border, we continue to pay over a hundred billion annually to illegals and lose our national identity, just as the British are losing theirs? Sounds like a plan.

I bet you believe the official li(n)e that there are only 11 million illegals in the country and that a big chunk are going home because of the economy.

157 posted on 09/03/2011 2:27:54 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: lonestar

Agreed 1000%. A fence is an idiotic idea. It would cost a fortune and be in constant state of repairs. If there’s no boots enforcing and watching people break through the fence, it is useless.

Those touting a fence don’t know what the hell they are talking about.


158 posted on 09/03/2011 2:28:37 PM PDT by rjeffries
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To: Winstons Julia

Tunnels under walls or under fences?

Gaza has fences and tunnels to Egypt.


159 posted on 09/03/2011 2:28:37 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Rats carry plague)
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To: NormsRevenge
Speaking to hundreds of New Hampshire voters at a private reception Saturday afternoon, the Texas governor says a fence would be ineffective and take too long to build.

That's the same logic I heard against drilling in ANWR in the 90s. "It'll be at least 10 years before oil starts to flow". Now 15 years later we're still having the same debate and conditions are worse.

Who cares how long it takes to build a wall. If while you're building it, you're ending free education, medical care, in state tuition, food stamps and all the rest for anyone not here legally, then self deportation will begin and we won't need any "massive roundups".

When the ship springs a leak you don't say, "it'll take too long to fix a hole out at sea.". You man the pumps and start emergency shoring until the ship is back on an even keel.

I don't know what Perry's record on illegals is, but he can't be worse than the current occupier of the White Hut.

160 posted on 09/03/2011 2:28:44 PM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: Eagle Eye
TSA at the airports, ship ports, bus and train stations....hey, if you’re a law abiding citizen what do you have to fear, right

Now, you've got a point there. The various methods for securing the border (fences, drones, new laws, whatever) would all entail greater federal powers.

That does make me uncomfortable.

161 posted on 09/03/2011 2:29:02 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Leaning Right
Rick Perry says No to border fence? Then I say No to Rick Perry.

Are you in the Fence Construction or in the Ladder Rental business?

Watch how fast illegal aliens can climb over, cut through and dig under a worthless $3 Billion Border Fence

The way to stop illegals is by patrolling the border .... Like Perry did with the Texas National Guard and the Texas Rangers.

Rick Perry campaign ad: "Border"

162 posted on 09/03/2011 2:29:17 PM PDT by Polybius (Defeating Obama is Priority Number One)
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To: Clairity
No, I don’t support a fence on the border,” he said. “The fact is, it’s 1,200 miles from Brownsville to El Paso. Two things: How long you think it would take to build that? And then if you build a 30-foot wall from El Paso to Brownsville, the 35-foot ladder business gets real good.”

Bingo. Fence is dumb.
163 posted on 09/03/2011 2:29:46 PM PDT by rjeffries
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To: hinckley buzzard

Israel’s border is?? Texas border is 1200 miles.

Ever toured the Texas border?


164 posted on 09/03/2011 2:29:55 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: CajunConservative

Yes, amazing.


165 posted on 09/03/2011 2:30:07 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Proud to be a RINO.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Why don’t we just bring the troops home from overseas and let them police the border? We need to get the hell out of the ME and every other place on the planet. And kick the U.N. out of the U.S. We need to start looking out for #1.


166 posted on 09/03/2011 2:30:19 PM PDT by RichardW
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To: NormsRevenge

Perry thinks the polls that show him way out in front are real...LOL

He believes the MSM headlines to the point that he thinks he can start moving to the middle.

Boy is he in for a rude awakening when Sarah gets in the race.

I suspect he will start to feel her presence even before she is in...like by this Tuesday


167 posted on 09/03/2011 2:31:07 PM PDT by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin 2012 or flippin bust)
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To: Leaning Right

I just don’t want us selecting the route of our own demise.


168 posted on 09/03/2011 2:32:25 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Proud to be a RINO.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Looks like you need to get yours straight.

Perry against Arizona law for Texas

Texas Gov: Arizona Immigration Law 'Not Right' for Texas

I can go on and on... looks like Perry and the AG of Texas don't agree. The AG of Texas acted independently of the Governor, as did the AG of Michigan when he submitted the brief.

No matter how you spin it, CT, Perry was wrong on this, period.

169 posted on 09/03/2011 2:34:09 PM PDT by rintense (Polls are for strippers and cross country skiing. ~ Sarah Palin, 9.3.11)
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To: RichardW
You said it, and it bears repeating

Use your noggins. Let the man explain his thinking on this. If you stay at home you are reelecting Zero.

Let the man explain his position , this is the sort of disinformation the regime will put out to suppress turn out. It's all Huseins got left in his bag of tricks, disinformation and mis-characterization. He certainly can't run on a record of accomplishment.

BTW does anyone else feel they already know more about Perry (and the other GOP candidates for that matter) than they do about Soetoro.

170 posted on 09/03/2011 2:35:05 PM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: wolfcreek

Israel’s wall is 400 miles long. If they can do it then surely Texas can.


171 posted on 09/03/2011 2:35:38 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: bert

http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=234530


172 posted on 09/03/2011 2:35:46 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: klb99
I go for both

I saw the East German border up close and personal in the late 1970's.

They used various fences, tank ditches, mine fields, dog runs, towers and troops.

History can vouch for how effective it was and how many people died trying to get out.

173 posted on 09/03/2011 2:36:07 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Proud to be a RINO.)
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To: rjeffries

The fence/wall will be manned you idiot.


174 posted on 09/03/2011 2:37:16 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: RichardW

What did he say? Well, the message is muddled because he says different things to different audiences. In this case, he’s speaking to an audience (NH) that has illegal immigration down about #48 in things they care about. So your guess is just as good as mine.


175 posted on 09/03/2011 2:38:05 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I like both Perry and Palin, and will vote for whichever of them wins.)
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To: jeltz25
I can’t imagine [land mines] would be too popular politically, though.

Cattlemen, in particular, might have a problem with them.

176 posted on 09/03/2011 2:38:12 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Jedidah
And I’ll vote for him if he’s the best we can do.

And that's the problem. Why is he the best we can do? Settling is what got us McRINO who told us we didn't have to be afraid of Hussein. Are you happy with where that has gotten us? Surely, there's someone out there the GOP can get behind but noooo, it's the old boys club and RINOs are in charge.

Herman Cain would have been great if they'd just given him the time of day. He can't be the only conservative with balls who loves America.

177 posted on 09/03/2011 2:39:41 PM PDT by bgill (just getting tagline ready for 6 months after you vote in Perry - Tried to warn you he's a RINO.)
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To: YankeeReb
BTW does anyone else feel they already know more about Perry (and the other GOP candidates for that matter) than they do about Soetoro.

No, but we should.

178 posted on 09/03/2011 2:39:41 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I like both Perry and Palin, and will vote for whichever of them wins.)
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To: bgill
Berlin's 110 mile wall worked. Israel's 500 mile wall works well. China's 31,000 mile Great Wall did it's job.

Berlin's wall and Israel's wall worked because they're relatively short in length, and the political will to enforce what the wall represented was not lacking.

China's 'Ten thousand mile wall', as they call it, did not work over the course of it's two thousand year history, despite the will to use it. It was too long to defend, expensive to build and man, there were ways around it, and in the long run, relentless offense always beats a strong defense.

An American wall would be thousands of miles long, and ultimately be manned by American governments that don't have the will of the East Germans, Israelis or feudal Chinese.

There's better ways to get rid of illegals, and it's cracking down on the business that hire them, tightening down on IDs, and generally making it more attractive for them to go back to Mexico than stay here.

Go on the offense against the incentive. Raising the bar to get to the incentive is a losing game.

179 posted on 09/03/2011 2:40:15 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: RC one
The modern Texas economy depends on Mexican laborers the way the old Georgia economy depended on African laborers.

Glad someone else sees the parallel. It always amazes me that many of the arguments used to justify the illegal invasion are similar to those used to justify slavery, and it's the Democrats doing it (well many RINOs too). This country's economy booms when labor is relatively expensive. If slave wages made a good economy than why did the South lose the war, and why isn't Mexico an economic world power today?

180 posted on 09/03/2011 2:40:59 PM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: bgill

No, you just put that money to boots on the ground.

A fence won’t work. You still need boots on the ground even with a fence or else the fence is nothing more than a fake obstacle.

A fence is a moronic waste of money. I’m surprised there’s this many people on FR that would support something that dumb and ineffective.


181 posted on 09/03/2011 2:41:15 PM PDT by rjeffries
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To: Friendofgeorge

Sorry to breka the news to you, but Perry’s lead is real. And Sarah Palin’s approval ratings are unrecoverable and past the point of no return.

But you’ll find out this truth soon enough


182 posted on 09/03/2011 2:43:02 PM PDT by rjeffries
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To: central_va

Why build it then?! Just PUT MEN ALONG THERE. How Dumb Can You Be?!?

A Fence is a colossal waste of money.


183 posted on 09/03/2011 2:44:14 PM PDT by rjeffries
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To: CharlesWayneCT; DoughtyOne; Liz
Yeah, she also said the same thing about McCain, which proves even Sarah Palin can be wrong- as she is with Perry and was with McCain. Nice try though.

How you can even defend a governor who kowtows to illegals is beyond me. The number of illegals in Texas has increased.

Not to mention the number of illegals getting college aid is also on the rise.

The status quo is no longer an option. Perry has had 10 years to fix the illegals in Texas, and has done nothing.He's made the state MORE attractive to illegals, not less.

Perry is part of the problem, NOT the solution.

184 posted on 09/03/2011 2:44:35 PM PDT by rintense (Polls are for strippers and cross country skiing. ~ Sarah Palin, 9.3.11)
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To: NormsRevenge

And I say to You aree a RINO. He will never get the Tea Party vote with that position. Ergo, he’s unelectable as a Pubbie RINO. Perrybots need a serious reality check. This isn’t rocket science nor clever posturing. It’s a fact. Anyone who claims to be a Tea Partier and buys into Perry’s BS is either lying about being conservative or is not Tea Party material in the first place.


185 posted on 09/03/2011 2:44:40 PM PDT by dools0007world
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To: rjeffries

The wall is force multiplier, ask the Israelis.


186 posted on 09/03/2011 2:45:39 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: rjeffries

The wall is force multiplier, ask the Israelis.


187 posted on 09/03/2011 2:45:50 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Palin was campaigning against Kay Bailey Hutchison, whom she has no use for as much as she was campaigning for Perry.
188 posted on 09/03/2011 2:46:36 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: dools0007world

Immigration is just one of his problems. His idiotic comments about the supreme court won’t help him either.


189 posted on 09/03/2011 2:47:05 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Polybius
Please consider this. A border fence is a lasting SYMBOL.

Even if the fence is not very efficient, it sends a message that this country is SERIOUS about stopping illegal movement across its borders.

Sure, Guard patrols and employer sanctions are good ideas too. But they are not permanent.

One governor can send out the Guard, another can quietly recall the Guard. And poof! it's all forgotten.

Same goes with employer sanctions. One administration can enforce them, the next one can ignore them.

But a fence is always there. It's a constant reminder.

190 posted on 09/03/2011 2:48:21 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: rjeffries
Sorry to break the news to you.
Perry has no real lead among conservatives
because Perry is a RINO. Gore-derived, Rove-weaned, Romney-stalked.

Even today when AMERICA SCREAMED:

GUARD THE BORDERS !!!!!!

THE RINO Perry said, "gardasil"
191 posted on 09/03/2011 2:48:50 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction." Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: NormsRevenge

It is truly funny how people act like this is the first time they’ve heard Perry say this. He’s been a RINO all along and people believe he’s all of a suddent going to change now?

Michele Bachmann is our only true conservative running. Too bad so many Republicans can’t get past the fact she’s a woman.


192 posted on 09/03/2011 2:49:02 PM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: bgill
The Berlin Wall had armed guards the entire length. Apples to oranges.

A wall wouldn't work! ...so why build one?

193 posted on 09/03/2011 2:49:08 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: central_va
The wall is force multiplier, ask the Israelis.

No question.

But where does the Israeli-Palestinian wall parallel and block access to a river flowing through a desert environment?

Would the Israelis have built a wall along the Jordan? I doubt it.

194 posted on 09/03/2011 2:49:22 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Clairity
Gov. Rick Perry’s website

Yada, yada, yada. Buy a clue, it's a politician's website. So what, Perry threw $$$ at gangs and got the same result as Obama did with the Stimulus and QEs. Hmmm, wonder why there was an increase in gangs and violence? It couldn't be because he ignored the problem for the past 25 years he's been in government. Naw, that couldn't be why.

195 posted on 09/03/2011 2:49:39 PM PDT by bgill (just getting tagline ready for 6 months after you vote in Perry - Tried to warn you he's a RINO.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Told ya.


196 posted on 09/03/2011 2:49:39 PM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: rjeffries

Tell it to the Marines!


197 posted on 09/03/2011 2:50:39 PM PDT by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin 2012 or flippin bust)
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To: okie01
The river is a PLUS. Acts as another barrier. Get it? Geesh not rocket science here.

For your amusement the Israelis wall. It must be a nightmare to man, but they manage.


198 posted on 09/03/2011 2:54:01 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: NormsRevenge

"Don't worry Perry. Just get a couple pics taken of you clearing out brush on a ranch and the Daily Dose folks will swoon and cover for your amnesty schnanigans."

199 posted on 09/03/2011 2:54:25 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: okie01; USNBandit
I don't mind having a guest worker program for certain industries, but that doesn't mean bringing the whole family.

E.g., the "Bracero Program". It worked...until LBJ pandered to the Cesar Chavez crowd.

Exactly.

When I was stationed in Guantanamo, the Navy had a "contract worker" program so that Jamaicans could come to the Guantanamo Naval Base for a specified contract time to mow lawns, work in the chow halls, paint buildings, pick up garbage, etc., so that our U.S. Marines could be manning the Fence-line and protecting the base instead of dishing out S.O.S. for breakfast. Apparently, the Navy still has such a program at GTMO which now includes Filipinos. (See below)

After the contract period, the Jamaican worker returned to his family in Jamaica to enjoy spending his U.S. dollars.

Rinse and repeat.

However, for some reason I do not understand, any mention of "Contract Worker Program" seems to bring out cries of Amnesty! Amnesty! Amnesty!"

Foreign workers at Guantanamo benefit from war

200 posted on 09/03/2011 2:54:44 PM PDT by Polybius (Defeating Obama is Priority Number One)
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