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When Rick Perry Praised HillaryCare (1993)
The Atlantic ^ | Conor Friedersdorf

Posted on 09/03/2011 4:15:57 PM PDT by Tempest

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To: Eagle Eye
Don't be an idiot. Everybody knew what the principals of the Obama health care package would consist of long before the official package was every unveiled. Only a political hack would claim otherwise.
201 posted on 09/03/2011 9:42:33 PM PDT by Tempest (Rick Perry is a solid conservative, if you consider Jello to be solid.)
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To: Eagle Eye

Is Perry the Ultimate Conservative to match every ideal that the most narrowly minded purists seem to demand?

Probably not...no, absolutely not.

But check out his book, and take some of the most outrageous criticism with a grain or three of salt.


I don’t know that it is fair to label folks who want the most conservative candidate as narrow-minded purists.

I understand we need to get our candidate elected and that must be balanced with desire for most conservative candidate. However, in hindsight, many of the most heinous govt. departments were formed under Republican presidencies :(

So, yes I am concerned about electing a McCain...Oh, and I voted for him. Does that make me a narrow-minded purist? Eh, maybe. But I am a realist and understand that the real world may necessitate compromise. However, before primaries is the time for candidates to be vetted.

Thank you for suggestion that I read his book, I was not aware that he had written one. May the best candidate (whoever that is) win.


202 posted on 09/03/2011 9:44:03 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: JimWayne
So he was on Al Gore's campaign team, supported Hillarycare and supported the bailout program?

No, he supported congressional action to stimulate the economy. This was before the democrats voted on their own plan to pay off their donors instead of stimulating the economy.

And as has been explained ad nauseum, he never supported HillaryCare, he told Hillary that her task force needed to take into account the constituents of Texas -- which she didn't, and he opposed the plan they proposed.

You are right though that he supported Gore in 1988 -- one out of three isn't that good except in baseball, but it's better than batting zero.

203 posted on 09/03/2011 10:39:00 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Tempest

I thought this was a thread about HillaryCare. Having trouble staying on-topic? How about a link to the article that led you to believe what you said in this comment, so we can debunk that one for you as well?


204 posted on 09/03/2011 10:40:48 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I’m still waiting for you to debunk anything...


205 posted on 09/03/2011 10:45:57 PM PDT by Tempest (Rick Perry is a solid conservative, if you consider Jello to be solid.)
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To: Col Freeper

So, at this juncture, I look forward to running across more information about Gov. Perry so that I can, with some level of confidence, place in either his Pro, or his Con, column. Hopefully, by the end of the primary period, everything about him will have hit FR, and have been hashed out enough to know all we can about him.

The same is true for Gov. Palin (and any other candidate that seems viable).


Well put!


206 posted on 09/03/2011 10:47:35 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: Falcon28

How'd they fit all those folks in there?  Sure looks smaller from the outside.


207 posted on 09/03/2011 10:51:57 PM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Eagle Eye

A few of ours are embarassing but don’t get elected President.

LBJ and both Bushes have done astounding damage and what have good do we have to show for all the spending?

I think what annoys me the the most is the brashness and swagger.
They’re all hat a no cattle.


208 posted on 09/03/2011 11:17:33 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (God humbles and (if need be) destroys the false idols of the peoples. Be patient, folks...)
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To: Tempest
When Rick Perry Praised HillaryCare

He concluded by noting, "your efforts are worthy, and I hope you will remember this constituency as the task force progresses.

Hmm, looks like he wasn't praising Hillarycare at all. He was asking her to take rural farmers into account when drafting up the health care legislation that would... in time, become Hillarycare.

In other words, at the time he sent the letter, there was just a task-force to look at the problem... and nothing yet created.

209 posted on 09/03/2011 11:40:15 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: bushwon

Look at the timeframes here. That letter was sent to the health-care *task force*... which meant that Hillarycare didn’t yet exist. He was trying to influence what would later come out.

He doesn’t have a record of endorsing the cr@p that eventually came out of the task force.


210 posted on 09/03/2011 11:49:57 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: freedomwarrior998; Tempest
For every one of these articles that you post, you drive another voter AWAY from Palin. I think you are having the opposite effect that you want. The more Palin supporters act like cultists, and the more they attack other candidates rather than pointing out her strengths, the less support she is going to get. Is that what you want?

Honestly speaking, that's the real reason I've started to support Perry. I started to see all these threads about him... and how the conclusions made did not match the information provided in the articles.

So, I started to think that if these is this much hysterical lying going on about a candidate, I better look into him. And I found a candidate that has a pretty good record on the most important areas (economic growth, jobs, deregulation)... and a decent record on the rest.

Had there been no blatant lying about the guy, I'd still probably be supporting Cain right now.

211 posted on 09/04/2011 12:12:10 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: gogogodzilla

For me, I am just trying to get facts on candidates. I am amazed at the latitude that is given for this letter on this thread. Perhaps he has changed his position, and it was a long time ago, but I am sorry, I don’t like the letter; I never liked HIllarycare...not when it was being discussed in illegal closed session task force meetings or when it was being discussed openly in Congress. I didn’t like it and did not think ti was worthy or commendable. Period...

...He said her efforts were commendable and her efforts are worthy...I need to find more info about that and info that he did not support National Healthcare ....I am working on it, but I have been rather busy defending my comments here from some Perry supporters....

Sorry, but no way would I have ever sent a letter saying something along those lines of what he said...

I would have said I have the following concerns, and then launched into how Canadian system doesn’t work, how there are free-market solutions, etc.

I am not saying this is the deal-breaker for Perry, but I want to learn more about his past to determine if I think he would govern conservatively and effectively.


212 posted on 09/04/2011 12:15:13 AM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: JimWayne

Not seeing how the letter is about the bailout in the first place. It looks like he’s just saying that there is an economic crisis right now... and that the guys in Washington need to *DO* something about it.

I think it’s troubling that as a knee-jerk response to the crisis, he turned to the Federal government. But then, d@mn near about everyone else was as well.

(have to remind everyone that the TEA party movement did not yet exist)


213 posted on 09/04/2011 12:18:28 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Tempest
why is that, because Perry’s replacement will be more conservative than he is?

No, that is because when a person with a political past changes their position from 17/18 years ago, I have a tendency to see if it is real. Perry will repeal Obamacare while some of the others have not shown they will go that far.

I am very Conservative, but I am not a single issue voter, that is what got us Obama in the first place.

And the Zerobamabots are very pleased anytime they can get others to divide the conservatives.

214 posted on 09/04/2011 5:10:47 AM PDT by Chief901 (Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend)
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To: cripplecreek

Chairmen of the Governor’s Association ask the Speaker to set partisan ship aside and work on an economic recovery package. Scandal!


215 posted on 09/04/2011 5:41:30 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Will racist demagogue Andre Carson be censured by the House?)
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To: cripplecreek

Chairmen of the Governor’s Association ask the Speaker to set partisan ship aside and work on an economic recovery package. Scandal!


216 posted on 09/04/2011 5:41:30 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Will racist demagogue Andre Carson be censured by the House?)
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To: Tempest
At least you posted the actual letter so people can see it's nothing but a state agriculture commissioner advocating for his constituents 2 months into the Clinton presidency when Hillary was pulling together her health care task force and developing a plan.

This is yet another case of "gotcha" sound-and-fury signifying nothing.

217 posted on 09/04/2011 5:55:34 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Will racist demagogue Andre Carson be censured by the House?)
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To: gogogodzilla
I think it’s troubling that as a knee-jerk response to the crisis, he turned to the Federal government. But then, d@mn near about everyone else was as well. (have to remind everyone that the TEA party movement did not yet exist)

This is a bogus argument. The bailout is the reason for the TEA Party movement. Look it up. The sales of Atlas Shrugged surged before Obama took power. The NYT article in the surge of the sales of Atlas Shrugged was in Jan 2009.

So if Perry was not part of the crowd that was furious at government intervention, but his instincts make him believe that the government is the solution to economic problems, he should move to Berkeley and join the Revolutionary Communist Party. Perry is no Ronald Reagan. Reagan pointed out that government was the problem, Perry believes that the government is the solution.

If this former Al Gore partner is not a closet Communist, he is an incompetent fool who believes in government interventions like Paul Krugman.

218 posted on 09/04/2011 7:22:12 AM PDT by JimWayne
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To: CharlesWayneCT; Tempest
No, he supported congressional action to stimulate the economy.

Okay, so he believes that the government is the solution and not the problem. I also see that Nancy Pelosi's press release lists Rick Perry's support for stealing our money and giving it to Wall Street cronies.

No wonder we are in a hole. You have a penchant for defending RINOs who have created a large government. Are you sure that you are not a leech feeding off the system and benefiting by the government doles and various grants and contracts?

What is clear is that you are not a principled ideologue. You keep defending RINOs on FR, especially when they are criticized for their large government programs.

First, it was support for RINOs who want ethanol subsidies, public works programs like Railways (Amtrak), Community Block development programs and so on. Now you try to give a positive spin to someone who supported TARP and called Hillarycare as commendable.

You are on the wrong board. You need to go to DUMMIEland. This board is for people who do not believe that we are leeches who can happily feed off the system.

219 posted on 09/04/2011 7:31:46 AM PDT by JimWayne
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To: JimWayne
90% of your post is a personal attack. Personal attacks are a poor substitute for a reasoned argument.

I oppose ethanol subsidies.

Rick Perry opposes ethanol subsidies "The federal government doesn’t need to pick winners and losers. Rather, the federal government needs to get rid of all of these onerous regulations that are costing you substantial amounts of money. They need to level the playing field for everyone."

Sarah Palin, whom I have supported, also opposes ethanol subsidies. Bachmann "sort of" opposes them, and I've given her some support.

You are correct that in 2008, I backed Fred Thompson, who happened to support Ethanol Subsidies. However, nobody here considered him a RINO -- he was the FR candidate.

So I'm not sure which candidate you believe I supported because they backed ethanol subsidies.

I also oppose Amtrack, and I'm pretty sure I've never said a kind word about community block grants. So it appears you have confused your freepers.

Government is the solution to our economic problems. Or, to put it more precisely, government ACTION is the key to our economic problems. Government stands in the way of our economic potential. The laws that exist, the regulations that exist, the actions of our executive all conspire to destroy our economy. This was just as true in 2009 when Obama took over and the democrats had already been at destroying our economy for two years.

So yes, government action WAS needed. We needed government to lower taxes, to ease up on regulations, to get out of the business of picking winners and losers, and even to provide temporary tax holidays and other relief to help small businesses meet payroll, invest in the future, and get people working again.

There were plent of good conservative ideas circulating in 2009. That Pelosi ignored them is not Perry's fault, or the fault of the Republican Governor's Association (which likely had a vote on the subject, which is why Perry wrote as the head of that organization carrying out THEIR wishes, rather than as the Governor of Texas).

Then-Governor Palin even had kind words for parts of the stimulus AFTER IT PASSED (not vague hope for a solution beforehand, like Perry), even while she castigated the social welfare aspects:

Sarah Palin: "On the whole these things that are good for the state we will appreciate those dollars coming as an addition to our economy, certainly the construction projects we are still looking forward to those because those are what actually create the jobs."

Sarah Palin: ""I beg to differ with the premise of this economic stimulus package that it, as a whole, stimulates the economy when you look at the programs that are entailed in this economic stimulus package, the programs that could end up costing a state so much more at the end of the day, those don’t necessarily stimulate the economy."

So as you can see, Palin at that point thought that parts of the stimulus WOULD create jobs, while others were a waste of time. Conservatives did not reject the entire idea out-of-hand.

You are free to believe that nothing the government ever does could possibly help an economy. But don't pretend that your view is the only conservative view. Calling everybody who disagrees with your particular position a RINO is not an argument, it's an admission that you can't defend your position on the merits.

220 posted on 09/04/2011 11:15:30 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Tempest
tag: Perry is a solid conservative, if you believe Jellow is solid

Perry is a solid conservative, if you believe Sarah Palin.

221 posted on 09/04/2011 12:53:21 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: newzjunkey

yep Rick Perry advocating socialized medicine for his constituents, nothing to see here....


222 posted on 09/04/2011 5:40:20 PM PDT by Tempest (I will be the one to say I you so.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Personal attacks are a poor substitute for a reasoned argument. I oppose ethanol subsidies.

Rick Perry opposes ethanol subsidies

You know very well I am not talking of Rick Perry when I mention ethanol subsidies. My posts on you-know-who were facts with evidence of his statements. You were the one who indulged in personal attacks against me for exposing the RINO who supported ethanol subsidies.

223 posted on 09/04/2011 5:54:25 PM PDT by JimWayne
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To: CharlesWayneCT
So yes, government action WAS needed.

You now defend Joe Manchin the Democrat and claim that he was really asking for tax cuts when he wanted government action. Yes, Joe Manchin was a co-signer of the letter and your spirited defense is a defense of Manchin as well.

Just cut out this tripe instead of bleating like sheep and defending your masters. People on FR are not fools.

Just go back to Rick Santorum or George Allen or whichever fraud you work for and let them know that the people can no longer be fooled.

224 posted on 09/04/2011 5:59:14 PM PDT by JimWayne
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To: Tempest

You can’t read f’n English, can you?

It doesn’t matter what one *thinks* hillarycare was going to be, asking for consideration for one’s constituecy is not the same as endorsing the program.

You’re either stupid as a rock or a liar.

I already know you’re a liar, but I also think you’re stupider than a rock.


225 posted on 09/05/2011 7:55:30 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Proud to be a RINO.)
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To: bushwon

Perry advocates many positions espoused by freepers for years, including repeal of the income tax and repealing popular vote of senators.

Other items like term limits for supreme court justices have, imo, enough merit to examine carefully.

He’s solidly pro life and pro 2A.

As a 10 year governor he has a track record and has governed over a state that is producing growth and prospertiy not equalled in the country.

So, yes, there are some narrow minded people who think that someone with no track record and only ideas is going to win.


226 posted on 09/05/2011 8:00:05 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Proud to be a RINO.)
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To: Eagle Eye

So, yes, there are some narrow minded people who think that someone with no track record and only ideas is going to win.


Just so I don’t misspeak, can you clarify about which candidate, with no track record and only ideas, are you saying narrow minded people think is going to win that you are talking?


227 posted on 09/05/2011 8:20:40 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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