Posted on 09/04/2011 4:19:35 PM PDT by blam
Agreed.
It’s the New World Order’s (The Evil Empire’s) intent to create famine and death anywhere they can. Burning up the corn is one way.
Surplus; The American Farmers produce more foodstuffs than our citizens can consume.
This has been going on since at least the 1950’s, and for a long period of time the US government managed the problem with a ‘Cheap Food for Consumers’ program most often labeled ‘The Farm Program’. There were constant cries of paying farmers not to plant.
With the advent of ethanol, farmers began receiving enough return on their investment, and as a result, most no longer use ‘The Cheap Food for Consumers’ programs.
Now there are cries that food is too expensive.
Too bad, the consumer got what they wished for, no more paying farmers not to plant. Too bad they weren’t wise enough to see what getting their wish would all entail.
You can change the subject if you want, I can shift gears.
But let’s stick to one issue at a time. Corn is not a basic food crop.
Yes, you can eat corn flakes for breakfast. The box costs more than the corn itself. As a percentage of the US corn production though, it is infinetismal. Would you concede the fact that most of the corn grown has always been used as feed for livestock?
Note, that’s a question.
Agricultural subsidies is another issue. The short answer to my way of thinking, there are an awful lot of .gov subsidies that (should) probably get the axe (sorry, scalpel. Hm.) than the people who grow our food.
Subsidies, we can talk about those too. Can we agree that oil is subsidized as well? Further, corn (as well as other crops) are renewable! Oil, once burned, is gone.
Again, I am open to discussing facts. When I point out that corn is used as primarily livestock feed, somebody opines that Ethanol runs poorly in their F150.
Well, duh. It’s a gasoline engine. We can talk auto shop too, etc., but again, different subject.
But let’s stick to one issue at a time. Corn is not a basic food crop.
5,250 million bu. - livestock feed BASIC FOOD
3,650 million bu. - ethanol production
1,850 million bu. - exports BASIC FOOD
943 million bu. - production of starch, corn oil, sweeteners (HFCS,etc.) BASIC FOOD
327 million bu. - human consumption - grits, corn flour, corn meal, beverage alcohol BASIC FOOD
Oh, ok only about 75% is used as a basic food or foodstock. 25% is subsidized to burn in gas tanks. Take away the subsidy and 100% is used as a BASIC FOOD CROP, either directly consumed or used to produce other foods.
Yes, you can eat corn flakes for breakfast. The box costs more than the corn itself. As a percentage of the US corn production though, it is infinetismal. Would you concede the fact that most of the corn grown has always been used as feed for livestock?
See above.
Note, that’s a question.
Note, I always recognized that corn was a cattle and pig feed. As such it is a BASIC FOOD CROP. Humans eat pigs and cattle. Corn is fed to pigs and cattle so that humans can eat them. You can't get any more basic than that.
Agricultural subsidies is another issue. The short answer to my way of thinking, there are an awful lot of .gov subsidies that (should) probably get the axe (sorry, scalpel. Hm.) than the people who grow our food.
And that is an emotional argument. No facts "...to my way of thinking...", just emotion and your opinion. So, how about some facts.
Subsidies, we can talk about those too. Can we agree that oil is subsidized as well?
Nope. How so?
Further, corn (as well as other crops) are renewable! Oil, once burned, is gone.
There is enough oil in North America to last for hundreds of years. That's enough for me. You will not replace a significant portion of gasoline use with ethanol. You will not replace an ounce of gasoline use with ethanol without a government subsidy. You will, however, increase the cost of corn, all all the other basic food stuffs that input corn, if you try.
Again, I am open to discussing facts. When I point out that corn is used as primarily livestock feed, somebody opines that Ethanol runs poorly in their F150. Well, duh. It’s a gasoline engine. We can talk auto shop too, etc., but again, different subject.
No, a basic food crop would be one that majority utilize as their basic sustenance.
You would agree that Americans do not largely or even in part, sustain themselves on cornmeal. Am I correct in that?
It’s not a basic food crop. So the initial claim isn’t factual. Next, upon this mistaken assumption, yet another falsehood is laid, the notion that this food is being wholly consumed e.g. “food into fuel”.
That, it turns out, isn’t true either. Merely the starch is extracted and turned into alcohol. The remaining grains are STILL FOOD!
Another excellent use of wheat, is to turn it into BEER. Barley, tons of it, is grown and converted into a tasty, nutritious beverage.
BEER, therefore, IS A FOOD CROP. It should be heavily subsidized, and any and all taxes be rescinded. Thank me later.
I really don’t care what a farmer chooses to grow or what he chooses to do with his crop (in a free market).
But I sure as hell hate the facts that:
(1) I am forced to subsidize him with my tax money and;
(2) I am forced to buy the product.
“Because I am forced to buy the product.”
Yes, the government forces us to do all sorts of things. MTBE is a gasoline additive required by the government. Then it was banned by the government. So 10% ethanol was substituted, in lieu of MTBE.
Don’t get mad at farmers is all I’m saying. They help feed the world with all kinds of products. In fact, it is one bright spot in the economy.
“...Don’t get mad at farmers is all I’m saying...”
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Gee, why should I blame the farmers,
who push for the protection,
elect politicians to lobby for the protection,
and accept the proceeds from the protection?
It's not polite to talk with food in your mouth.
Point is one way or another the corn should become food, be it as vegetable, meat, or nightcap.
Putting perfectly good grain alcohol in an internal combustion engine instead of a mixed drink is just...wrong.
Oh, so you have gasohol in your mouth, boy?
How’s that crap taste?
No, you ungrateful bastard, you are eating from the largest table ever set for mankind, and at the cheapest price mankind has ever paid for such a table.
Yet you slander whose who provided all of that for you.
Spit out that gasohol when you talk.
Why?
You do realize that ethanol, whether you like it or not, has allowed the farmers to reject the government farm programs?
No more paying farmers ‘not to plant’, which was a commom and continuous complaint even here at FR not a dozen years ago.
Said all I need to say here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2773625/posts?page=47#47
and here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2773625/posts?page=49#49
You have a personal interest and that foul taste in your mouth
is because you are the beneficiary of other peoples misery
imposed by the government subsidy to the ethanol producers
and the blending mandate to the petroleum refiners.
LOL! Nope.
Ah yes, rhere’s no point in my arguing with a fool.
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