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Postal Service Is Nearing Default as Losses Mount (USPS wants a taxpayer bailout for their union)
ny times ^ | 9/4/2011 | steven greenhouse

Posted on 09/05/2011 3:39:39 AM PDT by tobyhill

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To: Alberta's Child

Uh, do you understand what “rural” means? In my neck of the actual woods, these people may not get to town for days or in some cases weeks. Think medicine delivery here.

Many city addresses could be handled by having the customer simply pick up when it’s convenient, but how is it convenient to make a 40 or 50 mile round trip to town?

And why are we arguing the silly points and avoiding the white elephant? If we REALLY cut the post office loose from the government, they could show a profit. They are forbidden from being profitable. They are supposed to only break even, or lose.


61 posted on 09/05/2011 6:11:05 AM PDT by Big Giant Head (Two years no AV, no viruses, computer runs great!)
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To: mdmathis6

“Outsourcing all male delivery services to businesses makes Americans vulnerable”
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All male delivery services are illegal. Must have equal rights for women you know.


62 posted on 09/05/2011 6:13:32 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a liberal is like teaching algebra to a tomcat.)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Ditto here. UPS stops every day. Fed ex brings it in too. We used to get DHL.


63 posted on 09/05/2011 6:13:32 AM PDT by Big Giant Head (Two years no AV, no viruses, computer runs great!)
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To: OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings

No need to wait on line at all. Just do what people do now when they pick up their mail at the post office: Take your key over to your P.O. box, open your box, and get your mail out of it.


64 posted on 09/05/2011 6:16:54 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: uncbob
Raise the price on Junk Mail to that on standard mail and watch it disappear 95% of the mail I receive is for soliciting money or advertising

This attitude here on Free Republic is just plain weird. Here we argue for helping out the private industries and businesses, yet when it comes to them advertising, you want them to pay through the nose. The USPS is a great way to advertise right to a person's address. Why do you want to hate on small businesses?

65 posted on 09/05/2011 6:17:21 AM PDT by Big Giant Head (Two years no AV, no viruses, computer runs great!)
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To: muawiyah
OK - I will stipulate that when the time machine is invented that takes us back to the 1860's, eliminates the internet, and starts the Civil War over again, MAYBE home delivery would be a good idea. If we can afford it.

In the meantime, equating opposition to carrier delivery to opposition to national defense makes you sound like a democrat trying to make a point.

66 posted on 09/05/2011 6:17:28 AM PDT by Bernard (When the only Problem is overspending, all the Solutions look like TAX INCREASES to liberals...)
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To: Alberta's Child

Yeah, I did that in college for a while when I moved constantly... but it wasn’t worth the seventy bucks a year it cost me.

Still isn’t.


67 posted on 09/05/2011 6:18:12 AM PDT by OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings
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To: Big Giant Head
I'm not the one who forced you to live in a place that is 40-50 miles away from civilization. If you want your mail, then go get it yourself.

And if deliveries of medicine are a problem, then I'd suggest that maybe the recipients of that medication would be better off living somewhere else, too.

I'm not suggesting this is an ideal solution; I'm just pointing out that reducing the need for delivery personnel seems to be the most obvious way for the USPS to reduce labor costs.

68 posted on 09/05/2011 6:22:21 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings
It wasn't worth the seventy bucks a year it cost you to do it because the alternative was "free."

What if the P.O. box cost you $50/year and the home delivery cost you $200/year?

69 posted on 09/05/2011 6:28:18 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: tobyhill

“Look for the union label”


70 posted on 09/05/2011 6:31:07 AM PDT by wesagain
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To: Alberta's Child

If a frog had wings,


71 posted on 09/05/2011 6:31:19 AM PDT by OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings
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To: Alberta's Child
... Just do what people do now when they pick up their mail at the post office: Take your key over to your P.O. box, open your box, and get your mail out of it.

Great, so now our post office with parking for 60 cars will have hundreds of people stopping in to check their mail before or after work. We'll need the cops out there to direct traffic.

72 posted on 09/05/2011 6:42:18 AM PDT by ken in texas (Can't Afford a Tagline... send money.)
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To: Big Giant Head

Junk mail goes right in the trash


73 posted on 09/05/2011 6:46:44 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: tobyhill

Sell it off and open up delivery of first class mail to private carriers. We would however need to figure some way the government could sell commerative stamps to collectors (probably the only profitable and fun division). The Federal government could also keep a small federally operated service for its own mail or just ‘sensitive’ mail.


74 posted on 09/05/2011 6:59:53 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: tobyhill
A while back a very informed caller on Bill Bennett's program detailed the deal made with the devil in regards to the PO's retirement system. I wish I could remember or explain it. If I remember correct, they got a good retirement per a certain contract, or rolling out of the old Fed system, but essentially all profits go to keeping it afloat and it ain't working.

If this is a warning signal of the lack of "turnovers" in the economy, then their downturn in volume is very ominous...

75 posted on 09/05/2011 7:04:06 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: gogogodzilla

The Feds could always retain a much smaller service exclusively for government mail or even ‘sensitive’ government mail- IRS etc.
Bail it out only until 2013, then cease post office activity for non-government mail.


76 posted on 09/05/2011 7:05:28 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

It’s not. UPS does that here in MA.


77 posted on 09/05/2011 7:07:03 AM PDT by surrey
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To: tobyhill

The US must have some kind of Post Office because of very old international treaties, that both we and the British empire fought for, taking both our efforts to pull them off.

That being said, US domestic mail service is a different matter. There is no reason for the congress to insist that bulk mailing be subsidized by the Post Office. The “franking privilege” is so ingrained in US law that we probably have to keep that, though.

However, first class mail should be open to competition.

The best way for the Post Office to then compete would then be by offering highly secure legal and government mail, much more than it does today. Everything from having a required recipient, as in, proof of ID or you don’t get the delivery, to process serving for courts, to notarization and “electronic proof” of delivery admissible in court.

They could even perform the function of insuring that absentee ballots are from legitimate persons and addresses.

This would also include the ability to ship very valuable information, that would normally be carried by a bonded courier, as well as armored car services.

Lots of possibilities here for the Post Office to make itself profitable by performing far more specialized services. Though in a much diminished size.


78 posted on 09/05/2011 8:15:54 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: TnGOP

Here’s the OPM calculator and comparison site. The rates for BCBS at least have gotten closer, but I still pay $431 for the same plan a postal worker gets for $322. I didn’t look at all the other plans.


79 posted on 09/05/2011 9:33:36 AM PDT by whatshotandwhatsnot (Islam wants you dead.)
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To: TnGOP

Here’s the OPM calculator and comparison site. The rates for BCBS at least have gotten closer, but I still pay $431 for the same plan a postal worker gets for $322. I didn’t look at all the other plans.

http://www.opm.gov/insure/health/search/plansearch.aspx


80 posted on 09/05/2011 9:33:58 AM PDT by whatshotandwhatsnot (Islam wants you dead.)
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