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Air Force One pilot's mission on Sept. 11: Keep Bush safe
Stars And Stripes ^

Posted on 09/05/2011 4:58:40 AM PDT by nuconvert

Edited on 09/05/2011 7:58:22 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; airforceone; aviation; bush; military; sept11

1 posted on 09/05/2011 4:58:44 AM PDT by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert

Remembrance Archive: Free Republic Threads From 9-11-01
Free Republic ^ | 9-11-01 | FReepers

Posted on Friday, February 01, 2002 9:08:43 PM by Starrgaizr

2 posted on 09/05/2011 5:03:03 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: nuconvert

JUST WOW.

what a story....


3 posted on 09/05/2011 5:28:10 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I just read it. Thank you for posting.


4 posted on 09/05/2011 5:35:28 AM PDT by sneakers (EAT YOUR PEAS!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

JUST WOW.

what a story....

In stark contrast to the media manure floating around about
a chicken President who wouldn’t come home and do his job.


5 posted on 09/05/2011 5:51:41 AM PDT by wita
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To: nuconvert

Great article, brings back some chilling memories. Cannot believe it happened 10 years ago ;(


6 posted on 09/05/2011 5:56:03 AM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: wita
W. W. O. D.?

(What Would Obama Do?)

7 posted on 09/05/2011 5:58:45 AM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Thank you


8 posted on 09/05/2011 5:59:53 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

Thanks for posting. On Sept. 11 my wife and I were returning from the wilderness, literally. After almost two weeks in Yellowstone, we set off for home the previous day and spent the night at Wall Drug.

That morning we started early, driving for an hour before stopping for breakfast. When we left the restaurant I turned the radio on and heard the first reports of the first plane to hit.

What was noticeable in its absence was, on a beautiful clear day, not a single jet was visible in the sky over South Dakota.

Until we were heading south past Omaha. Air Force One was just taking off from Offutt AFB. It’s a sight I’ll never forget.


9 posted on 09/05/2011 6:03:11 AM PDT by Second Amendment First ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..." - Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: Second Amendment First

“Air Force One was just taking off from Offutt AFB. It’s a sight I’ll never forget.”

That’s timing.


10 posted on 09/05/2011 6:14:57 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"If this is an accident, it is a needle in a haystack kind of accident"..Dr Vernon Gross, NTSB says could have been inattention, engine failure, etc...Angle of the sun could factor in...

Interesting to read some of this again (for the fourth or fifth time). This hypothesizing struck me particularly as typical of the leftist mind that hasn't a clue. I wonder what sort of "Dr." this Gross is and whether he has ever had anything to do with airplanes other than plopping his ass into a seat and closing his eyes. "Angle of the sun"! That's really rich. NTSB and the guy has no idea what kind of planes fly where in the New York TCA (Terminal Control Area).

ML/NJ

11 posted on 09/05/2011 6:25:26 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: nuconvert
"It was an airliner whose transponder had failed."

Lines like this make the whole article dubious.

ML/NJ

12 posted on 09/05/2011 6:35:22 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Minutemen

W.W.O.D?
The first thing would be piss in his pants.


13 posted on 09/05/2011 6:48:04 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: ml/nj

I heard George Bush say the same thing on the National Geographic piece . You should watch the interview if you get a chance. Excellent!


14 posted on 09/05/2011 6:48:57 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: wita

i loved the line where the pilot says, “I wasn’t prepared for a Texan who wanted to go back and kick a** !” ha.


15 posted on 09/05/2011 6:50:20 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: ml/nj

“Lines like this make the whole article dubious.”

So, you think Air Force One’s pilot is a liar?


16 posted on 09/05/2011 6:58:22 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert
So, you think Air Force One’s pilot is a liar?

Though you didn't say so anyplace the article you posted was by Tom Vanden Brook of USA Today, not an Air Force One pilot and almost certainly not any kind of pilot.

ML/NJ

17 posted on 09/05/2011 7:20:14 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

The article is riddled with quotes from the pilot.
The “dubious” line is contained in one of those quotes:

“I didn’t know the capabilities of the terrorists, so just err to the worst case,” Tillman says. “It wouldn’t be bad to have fighter support in the event that airliners were tracking us. Maybe that airliner was coming to crash into us over Sarasota, saw us take off and was coming after us. In reality, it was just like many of the threats that day. It was not an actual threat. It was an airliner whose transponder had failed.”


18 posted on 09/05/2011 7:24:52 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: ml/nj

“It was an airliner whose transponder had failed.”

Lines like this make the whole article dubious.

ML/NJ


Why?

Transponders fail. I’ve replaced them.


19 posted on 09/05/2011 7:28:31 AM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

bttt


20 posted on 09/05/2011 7:34:50 AM PDT by aberaussie
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To: Minutemen
W. W. O. D.?

I don't know- order a strike on London or Tel Aviv? I trust his judgement about as far as I can throw a big-block V-8.

21 posted on 09/05/2011 7:38:44 AM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: chaosagent
Why? Transponders fail. I’ve replaced them.

Airliners fly with a backup transponder. Even if the both transponders fail, they are still in direct contact with ATC which knows precisely where they are and is telling them precisely where to go at all times. Everyone who flies IFR knows that if one diverts at all from where he is supposed to be, it doesn't take more than a few seconds for ATC to notice and contact the plane to make a correction. I'm quite sure things are even more severe if one is flying anywhere in the vicinity of AF1. (which flew low over my backyard yesterday)

ML/NJ

22 posted on 09/05/2011 7:40:21 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: nuconvert
The article is riddled with quotes from the pilot. The “dubious” line is contained in one of those quotes:

Ever hear of literary license, or ineptitude?

See my post at #22 above for more info.

ML/NJ

23 posted on 09/05/2011 7:43:42 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

Ever hear of literary license, or ineptitude?

“literary license” when you’re directly quoting someone? No.
“ineptitude” - yes. He could have put the quotation marks in the wrong place making it appear as though it was part of the quote from the pilot.
But that doesn’t make the entire article dubious.

You might want to watch this,...

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/remembering-9-11/6683/Overview


24 posted on 09/05/2011 8:09:01 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: ml/nj

Why? Transponders fail. I’ve replaced them.

Airliners fly with a backup transponder. Even if the both transponders fail, they are still in direct contact with ATC which knows precisely where they are and is telling them precisely where to go at all times. Everyone who flies IFR knows that if one diverts at all from where he is supposed to be, it doesn’t take more than a few seconds for ATC to notice and contact the plane to make a correction. I’m quite sure things are even more severe if one is flying anywhere in the vicinity of AF1.


So rather than think maybe the failure was actually more extreme than just a single transponder, you’d rather believe that the pilot of AF1 was lying?


25 posted on 09/05/2011 8:17:18 AM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: nuconvert

One of the more surreal moments of that unspeakably surreal day was watching Air Force One fly just above tree top level right in front of me while I was stopped at a red light heading home.

One of those things I’ll never forget.


26 posted on 09/05/2011 8:24:49 AM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Skooz

I can imagine


27 posted on 09/05/2011 8:28:36 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: chaosagent

I’m going to jump in here. I think this line is a petty point.

It may have been a way to summarize , rather than speculate on any of the number of possibilities, i.e., maybe the transponder was intermittent, maybe it had the wrong code, maybe the controller was a bit on edge and wasn’t getting or missed the code, maybe the AF-1 pilot told the author it was an AIRPLANE, not airliner, with not transponder (that’s not unusual for a GA airplane).

The point is, ATC reported a target and ATC wasn’t receiving a transponder code on the target, as it was relayed to the AF-1 pilot.


28 posted on 09/05/2011 8:32:42 AM PDT by PhiloBedo
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To: nuconvert

That and answering the phone when I got home. It was a pastor at my church calling to console my family on the event of my death. There was a rumor I was killed in a terror attack that day.


29 posted on 09/05/2011 8:40:54 AM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Skooz

oh my gosh. good thing someone else didn’t answer when you were out.


30 posted on 09/05/2011 8:48:26 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

When I was in the USAF, based at Yokota AB, Japan in 1986, my comms squadron provided support communications for AF1 and the airborne command post that always accompanies the President on overseas trips.

We supported Reagan’s trip to Tokyo for an economic summit. Among the activities were extra briefings on the capabilities of the 747 aircraft involved, as well as rides on the aircraft for a lucky few, as the pilots flew escape-and-evasion practice flights around the region.

Suffice it to say that the 747-type national aircraft have surprising performance for such large aircraft. They are over-engined, over-winged and under-weight.


31 posted on 09/05/2011 10:29:50 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: nuconvert

bfl


32 posted on 09/05/2011 12:52:18 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Mr B has a new cousin on the way!)
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To: PhiloBedo
It may have been a way ... maybe the transponder ...maybe it had the wrong code, maybe the controller...maybe the AF-1 pilot..."

Hmmmm, maybe..........

33 posted on 09/05/2011 4:00:09 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (FREE YOUR BREASTS! FREE YOUR MIND!)
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To: nuconvert

On the late afternoon of 9-11-2001 I heard a loud “boom-boom”, what I quickly deduced was a sonic boom. I ran outside and looked up in the clear blue skies and spotted a couple of F-16s at very high altitude (I’d guess 30-40 thousand feet). I never saw AF-1, but I’m sure it was up there somewhere returning from Offutt AFB back to Washington.

I live in Beavercreek, Ohio, near Wright-Patterson AFB. A few minutes after the sonic boom, I was listening on my radio scanner, I heard an aircraft declare an emergency and land at WPAFB - from what I could deduce, he nearly ran out of fuel.

That’s one of my lasting memories of 9-11.


34 posted on 09/05/2011 4:46:14 PM PDT by MrTed ("...at the name of Jesus, every knee will bow...", will it be before or after one's death?)
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