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Be afraid: German ex-Chancellor demands 'United States of Europe'.
The Telegraph ^ | September 5th, 2011 | James Delingpole

Posted on 09/05/2011 5:13:51 AM PDT by markomalley

Gerhard Schroeder has just called for an end to “national sovereignty” and the creation of a “United States of Europe.” Does anyone else find this sort of talk a bit scary, especially when voiced by a former Chancellor of Germany? (H/T Rich Scherf)

Among those who doesn’t, apparently, is our Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne. What Schroeder is proposing differs very little from what Osborne was suggesting earlier this summer when he wrote in the Telegraph:

As I’ve said, the eurozone countries need to accept the remorseless logic of monetary union that leads from a single currency to greater fiscal integration. Solutions such as euro bonds now require serious consideration if investors are to be convinced about the long-term future of the currency. A disorderly outcome would be disastrous for everyone, including Britain, so we should allow greater integration to happen, while ensuring we are not part of it and our own national interests are protected.

I agree totally with Osborne that where policymaking decisions are concerned, it is a British government’s job to place British interests above all else. But if he honestly believes that the best way to make the nasty problem go away is to sacrifice the entire Eurozone to the political and regulatory strictures of a German-dominated superstate then maybe the history teaching at St Paul’s isn’t quite as brilliant as I’d imagined.

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: newworldorder

1 posted on 09/05/2011 5:13:52 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

A total contrast to Geert Wilders terrific speech in Berlin last week on the dangers of Islamism and a fascist Greater Europe.


2 posted on 09/05/2011 5:21:06 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: markomalley
"Gerhard Schroeder has just called for an end to “national sovereignty” and the creation of a “United States of Europe.” "

Heh. Good luck with that. Everyone sees how well that's worked so far.

Typical arrogant bureaucrat: Realized he's digging a hole so his response is "Let's dig twice as fast!"

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

3 posted on 09/05/2011 5:22:01 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: markomalley

“Gerhard Schroeder has just called for an end to “national sovereignty” and the creation of a “United States of Europe.””

This Schroeder needs to get updated. Geert Wilders was correct when he recently said the monetary unit , the Euro, isn’t working; neither is multiculturalism (though it might have been Angela Merckel who pointed that out first) and the Germans should stop being ashamed of themselves for the atrocities of WWII. It wasn’t Germanism that caused WWII, but Naziism. They should be proud of their nation.

I’m with Geert. Schroeder sounds like a New World Order acolyte. We already have too many of those useful idiots.


4 posted on 09/05/2011 5:22:28 AM PDT by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: RoadTest

All he needs is Obama to “walk” some guns into Poland to make it appear they “started” the war to unify Europe.

See my tagline.


5 posted on 09/05/2011 5:25:25 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: markomalley
Welthauptstadt Germania aka Berlin.
6 posted on 09/05/2011 5:32:40 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: markomalley
Imagine trying to get the French and Swiss to cooperate.....

;^)

7 posted on 09/05/2011 5:44:40 AM PDT by Dumpster Baby (Truth is called hate by those who hate the truth.)
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To: markomalley

A United States of Europe would reduce the U.N. vote of 10-20 civilized nations into a single vote.


8 posted on 09/05/2011 5:58:02 AM PDT by fso301
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To: markomalley

“The borrower is servant to the lender.” (Proverbs 22:7)

If Europe wants Germany to bail them out of bankruptcy....well, they’re wanting Germany to rule them...


9 posted on 09/05/2011 6:10:46 AM PDT by AnalogReigns ((since reality is never digital...))
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To: markomalley

Whenever a politician calls for a daring move such as this, you can bet that more rights are going to be lost and taxes will be raised even further.


10 posted on 09/05/2011 6:28:52 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Obama takes office, and 2-1/2 years later we are saying downgrade and America together!)
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To: Dumpster Baby

-——Imagine trying to get the French and Swiss to cooperate..——

The union requires different thinking.

Switzerland would be absorbed as will Liechtenstein, Monaco and that other little country. USE will be all inclusive. The question will be the eastern border.

All the old royal borders will be swept into the union


11 posted on 09/05/2011 6:36:35 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Rats carry plague)
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To: Travis McGee

Every day that goes by without ‘good men doing nothing’ allows the NWO elitists to dig their claws in deeper and deeper.

We’ve got one hell of a battle ahead of us.


12 posted on 09/05/2011 6:43:16 AM PDT by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: markomalley

Gerhard Schroeder has zero credibility as a democrat, ever since his infamous lawsuit. As such, consideration of any of his elitist, oligarchic notions should be off the table. Such people want an unelected ruling bureaucracy that is little more than a restoration of the noble classes, but without the nobility.

“In April 2002, Schröder sued the DDP press agency for publishing an opinion of public relations consultant Sabine Schwind saying that he “would be more credible if he didn’t dye his gray hair”. The court decided to ban the media from suggesting that he colors his hair.”

The European peoples, if not their determined “leaders”, need to figure out that nations are not arbitrary things, that Europeans are anything but equal in their cultures, behavior, and attitudes, and that efforts to create a “generic European” are destined to fail miserably.


13 posted on 09/05/2011 6:52:30 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: markomalley

“United States” of...

Bet the Euros will love THAT name...


14 posted on 09/05/2011 6:58:45 AM PDT by moovova
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To: markomalley
Gerhard Schroeder has just called for an end to “national sovereignty” and the creation of a “United States of Europe.”

What a great idea! With the cultural and economic split between northern Europe and southern Europe, they could proceed to their Civil War without delay./s


15 posted on 09/05/2011 7:10:11 AM PDT by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: RoadTest
"It wasn’t Germanism that caused WWII, but Naziism."

As well you should continue the back-path to remind us of what caused Naziism. Nazziism did not simply spontaneously "appear" out of nowhere.

16 posted on 09/05/2011 7:13:36 AM PDT by Designer (Nit-pickin' and chagrinin')
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To: markomalley

The same guy who got a Russo-German pipeline deal thru while in office and then took a job as chairman of the joint company that owned the pipeline after he left office. Talk about crony capitalism.


17 posted on 09/05/2011 7:31:28 AM PDT by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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To: Designer

“As well you should continue the back-path to remind us of what caused Naziism. Nazziism did not simply spontaneously “appear” out of nowhere.”

No. Neither did NWO Obamism.


18 posted on 09/05/2011 7:52:11 AM PDT by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: Designer

Naziism was simply nationalistic/racist socialism. Most of the earliest Fascist and Nazi leaders had been communists, or at least leftist—and the sentiments of WWI’s hyper-nationalism made them give up on internationalist-socialism (communism).

Yes, at the time of WWI Germany was jealous of the UK, France and even Belgium, each of which had large empires around the world—whereas competent, well-educated hard-working Germany had only recently (1870s) even been unified, with nothing like an empire. Also that young upstart nation started by English rebels—which had drawn so many millions of German immigrants, and conquered a continent, across the sea....naturally riled them.

So German nationalism...which got WWI going, and, was re-resurrected in Nazi fanaticism in the 30s starting WWII, certainly was the factor in both those conflicts. In WWI anyway, other nationalisms, I think, were equally at fault.

However, today....the modern Germans I know, are about the most anti-war, internationalist, ANTI-nationalistic people I know. The destruction of WWII, and the broken nation (only re-unified 40 years after) that resulted have left a permanent pacifistic scar.

Germany though, as a rule, is a very competently governed, well run, well educated, free nation....as good and better than any other large European country. Anyone with a brain can see that...and Germans have brains, hence there is a tendency of them to be proud of themselves, based on reality—even while maintaining anti-nationalist ideas....so a cognitive dissonance reigns.


19 posted on 09/05/2011 8:43:34 AM PDT by AnalogReigns ((since reality is never digital...))
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