Skip to comments.Exclusive Report: Documents indicate ATF, FBI allowed Indiana ‘crime gun’ sales
Posted on 09/05/2011 9:07:56 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has acknowledged an Indiana dealer’s cooperation in conducting straw purchases at the direction of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Exclusive documents obtained by Gun Rights Examiner show the dealer cooperated with ATF by selling guns to straw purchasers, and that bureau management later asserted these guns were being traced to crimes.
From the confidential source providing the documents:
The dealer…was sent a "demand letter," based on the number of traces to him, which was retracted after his attorney pointed out they resulted from his cooperation with ATF. (Strangely, he got two voicemails from two different ATF people, both saying they were the head of the tracing operation).
Some of the straw men turned out to have felony convictions, the agents called the FBI background check system and fixed it so the transactions would be approved, something which may also have happened in Phoenix. (The attorney wasn't clear as to whether the guns were actually delivered to the gangs).
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WOW! If this report is accurate, and no reason to think it isn't, this means ATF can't pretend that what happened out of Phoenix in the SouthWest was some sort of unauthorized rogue operation. This HAD to be known at the top.
And what other parts of the country did the ATF command that the guns be allowed to walk into the hands of criminals?
For zero, crickets.
THIS is the one that is going to take the Obama administration down!
The evidence just keeps piling up. I hope Issa has a big staff.
I’ve read this. It’s huge. But I wish for an acceptable source I could post on facebook to largely non-political friends.
From the very start, I always thought this was the BATF’s version of the “Reichstag Fire”.
“THIS is the one that is going to take the Obama administration down!”
But he’s black though. Surely that means these are just racists angry against Holders’ “people”...
From your mouth to God’s ear!
Somebody here should post the documents provided in the slideshow. They are pretty damning.
Just how widespread around the country is this insanity of the BATF to allow guns to be walked into the hands of criminals? Now I’m starting to wonder if any of the guns used in the 25 New York murders in the past day were the result of BATF ordering them to be walked into the hands of the murderers.
What were Holder and obama’s handlers THINKING, to promugate this on our society????
What are “they” NOT willing to do, to nullify, eliminate or re-write parts of the US Constitution with which “they” do not agree????
wide spread subversion of the system to facilitate crisis to enable public supported changes to society
Man, these people are wacko radicals of the worst kind
They should be criminally responsible for enabling a criminal to obtain a gun ...... In our law, police officers do not have immunity, they clearly say that someone who knowingly enables a criminal to obtain a gun is an accessory after the fact.
If they aren’t charged now, I expect the next Attn General to.....this is BS.
Nixon went down over a second-rate burglary to place illegal microphones, but Holder and Obama are responsible for multiple murders.....do you think the Washington Post is on this one.....?
Note to newcomers to this story: Project Gunrunner is the name ATF assigned to its Southwest Border Initiative to interdict gun smuggling to Mexico. ....This obfuscation. Bush’s DOJ was originally trying to find the extent of US arms going to Mexico. They reportedly said there is no “Iron Pipeline” and began to disassemble the operation. Holder and Obama figured if there is no Iron Pipeline, we will facilitate or make one to use as action to stop all selling of guns and ammo in the US.
I posted months ago that, anecdotally, dealers across the nation are reporting that they were also forced by BATFE to conduct purchases to straw buyers who failed NICS.
Someone needs to get dealers nationwide to report such forced sales to a single source (other than gov’t) such as the NSSF so we can create a record of where these sales were taking place and their frequency.
Simple. Support for the Second Amendment has grown dramatically in recent years. Also gun dealers were fully complying with the background check laws designed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. So what to do? Work "under the radar" as Obama said to get the guns into the hands of the criminals via the BATF giving the green light to dealers to sell to them. Then when the gun crimes rise, blame it on the guns and win public support for more gun restrictions.
They thought they could get away with it but it BACKFIRED on them bigtime.
An oatmeal cookie to the first MSM reporter to collect statistics on gun crimes and traces back to the dealers to find out if the guns in question were allowed by the BATF to “walk.” And I still gotta wonder if any of the NYC murders in the past day were committed using guns that were allowed to walk.
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1. F&F was in Arizona, Florida, and now Indiana —yet there was no, “national operation”
2. 3 WH officials knew, but Obama/Holder did NOT know
3. 200 Mexican cops and 2 US officers died
4. A helicopter was shot down with a .50
5. A casino was burned
I’d say this is JAIL TIME for POTUS, or Holder at least.
Thanks for the heads up PJ-Comix
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The wider that "secret" information is spread, the less likely it remains a secret.
The Obama administration and Hillary Clinton State Department assert that most of the guns used in Mexican crimes come from America, and that in the name of regional stability "more restriction on law-abiding American Firearms owners are needed and the United States must sign on to the United Nations Small Arms Treaty.
The BATFE begins investigating this claim, and creates a sting operation to ensure American guns end up in Mexico. Then they force gun dealers to sell firearms to known criminals who smuggle the guns to violent Mexican drug cartels. Agents on the ground in this investigation said that it was a horrible idea, but the operations were authorized and supported by leading officials in the BATFE and the Justice Department.
The mantra of the anti-gun Left is simple: never let a crisis go to waste.
And if there isnt a convenient crisis, go ahead and make one up.
This is exactly the strategy Obama and his anti-gun allies have been practicing for years.
They will use this crisis to ram federal gun control legislation down the throats of American citizens.
No, they are Marxists.
These communists thought they could put the skids to our 2nd Amendment rights ‘under the radar’ because they thought the gunshop owners would be too scared of losing their license to rat on them.
Then the crackhead adolescents themselves started making demands on the gun shop owners who hired lawyers to remind them that they DID REPORT and the criminals were cleared by NCIS.
These illogical idiots screwed up their own damned ‘under the radar’ plan!
Jail them all, they are criminals! Not to mention freaking communists, and enemies of We The People!
They probably smugly thought they were just so smart and smirking about how they could undermine the Second Amendment "under the radar." It never entered their tiny minds that they would GET CAUGHT.
“And what other parts of the country did the ATF command that the guns be allowed to walk into the hands of criminals?”
I believe that it has also been reported to have taken place in Florida and Georgia.
This whole thing was developed to discredit gun dealers and enhance gun violence. This was not to trace guns to the drug cartels (nobody was tracing anything). This would shift public opinion to get gun control in effect before they attempted to take over the country, cancel the 2012 election, disbanded congress, and set up a revolutionary government.
I have this sinking feeling that in the end, this will all be covered up.............and these guns certainly may have ended up in New York.
What is going to be their total undoing is that think Americans are afraid of them, simply because the pansies in Congress don’t seem to be doing anything.
They haven’t a clue what they will eventually unleash upon themselves. If I thought Congress was smart, I’d think they’re holding back because they know what could unleash. But unfortunately we all know they’re just not that smart.
Lose their license? Only if they are lucky. They can be jailed for cooperating with the feds, and they know it. This is never documented, it's all done verbally. At any time, BATFE can "conveniently" discover the dealer was making known illegal sales, and burn him.
"The BATFE told me it was okay" would be disallowed in court as hearsay, and ridiculed. This entire process is designed to imprison both the dealer and the fed's snitch at the government's convenience.
The Obamanites, the Left, the Democrats, this entire example that is mapping out our future, our direction with such authority are people that absolutely don’t get what this country is all about. They don’t understand self government, they don’t understand anything but BIG GOVERNMENT ala Monarchy, Matriarchy, Dictator, Strongman, Mother, or any strongly feared figure that thinks for them, guides them, instructs them, and if they are good is benevolent towards them, and they revel in the rewards reaped upon them by the powers that are.
The Democrats represent those sorts in our society. The ones that haven’t any idea that the freedom they have is because of their freedom from those sorts.
Excellent point sir.
obama and Holder could murder children on the White House lawn and the old media would completely ignore it.
There is NOTHING obama or his fellow travellers can do that will turn the hard-core socialists against him.
Domestic Gun Walkers - whodda thunk it of Obama’s people?
I wonder if Drudge will pick up and feature this story?
Before: Fail 2 cooperate, and you are jailed.
Now: Fail 2 cooperate, u r jailed. But if you DO cooperate, you’ll be jailed, later.
Why do they act like this? Because the left’s view is that we aren’t simply misguided, but instead that we KNOW we are wrong and that we’re KNOWINGLY choosing EVIL.
Because of that, they feel that special measures like F&F are JUSTIFIED. They regret getting caught, sure —that slows them down. But they do NOT feel guilt —they see their efforts as IDEALISTIC.
It can’t be said to have “backfired” until the perps are legally dealt with. that depends at the moment on Issa and breaking into the MSM. For most of the population, even if they are not buying enough newspapers or watching network news enough to keep them solvent, those are their sources for what they think is reality, or at least the authoritative instructions as to what is important.
Drudge has been SO Missing In Action on all of this it’s simply incredible.
I guess when you get to a certain level of income and fame the new mark of the “real professional” is indicated by which stories you DON’T cover?
That is the type of thinking that set the stage for Drudge’s success.
I refresh Drudge at least 10 times daily, but I’m truly, truly disappointed in him.
Because of that, they feel that special measures like F&F are JUSTIFIED. They regret getting caught, sure that slows them down. But they do NOT feel guilt they see their efforts as IDEALISTIC.
Yes, you are correct.
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. C. S. Lewis
I just sent a link to the article. If you go to the bottom right of the Drudge page there is a place to post news.
I suggest everyone do the same. Sort of like a Freep a poll.
These guys, Codrea and Mike Vanderbeough at sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com, are as credible as it gets. Their sources have proven impeccable and they are solely responsible for what MSM coverage there’s been plus the hearings in congress.
You will NOT FIND better coverage, or more reliable.
I have been getting emails for about two months now saying that there is a Texas connection. According to these emails the Texas Rangers have investigated and are preparing warrants for Federal employees. I pray this is true.
“These guys [...] are as credible as it gets”
I don’t doubt that. But there are LARGE numbers of people for whom it needs to be in a big publication or it didn’t happen. That sucks, but it’s true. I would like to share this with some of them.