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Exclusive Report: Documents indicate ATF, FBI allowed Indiana ‘crime gun’ sales
Examiner.Com ^ | September 5, 2011 | David Codrea

Posted on 09/05/2011 9:07:56 AM PDT by PJ-Comix

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has acknowledged an Indiana dealer’s cooperation in conducting straw purchases at the direction of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.  Exclusive documents obtained by Gun Rights Examiner show the dealer cooperated with ATF by selling guns to straw purchasers, and that bureau management later asserted these guns were being traced to crimes.

From the confidential source providing the documents:

The dealer…was sent a "demand letter," based on the number of traces to him, which was retracted after his attorney pointed out they resulted from his cooperation with ATF. (Strangely, he got two voicemails from two different ATF people, both saying they were the head of the tracing operation).

Some of the straw men turned out to have felony convictions, the agents called the FBI background check system and fixed it so the transactions would be approved, something which may also have happened in Phoenix. (The attorney wasn't clear as to whether the guns were actually delivered to the gangs).


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See the sidebar slideshow accompanying this article for screen captures of all documents referred to in this column. At the very least, as with “Project Gunwalker,” they indicate straw purchased guns ended up in crime traces, something those directing surveillance were well aware of. It also indicates the FBI and ATF were once again involved with allowing transactions rejected by NICS to proceed, indicating this practice could be more widespread than has been previously documented, and not confined to Southwest border operations.

WOW! If this report is accurate, and no reason to think it isn't, this means ATF can't pretend that what happened out of Phoenix in the SouthWest was some sort of unauthorized rogue operation. This HAD to be known at the top.

And what other parts of the country did the ATF command that the guns be allowed to walk into the hands of criminals?

1 posted on 09/05/2011 9:08:00 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: MestaMachine; Nachum

FYI


2 posted on 09/05/2011 9:10:05 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (aka Big Daddy Goo-Goo)
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To: PJ-Comix
Remember when the congress and media hammered Reagan for Iran-Contra?

For zero, crickets.

3 posted on 09/05/2011 9:10:50 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: PJ-Comix

THIS is the one that is going to take the Obama administration down!


4 posted on 09/05/2011 9:11:24 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: PJ-Comix

The evidence just keeps piling up. I hope Issa has a big staff.


5 posted on 09/05/2011 9:12:25 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: PJ-Comix

Operation Gunstumbler!


6 posted on 09/05/2011 9:13:35 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: PJ-Comix

I’ve read this. It’s huge. But I wish for an acceptable source I could post on facebook to largely non-political friends.


7 posted on 09/05/2011 9:13:59 AM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: PJ-Comix

From the very start, I always thought this was the BATF’s version of the “Reichstag Fire”.


8 posted on 09/05/2011 9:16:22 AM PDT by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: Bigun

“THIS is the one that is going to take the Obama administration down!”

But he’s black though. Surely that means these are just racists angry against Holders’ “people”...


9 posted on 09/05/2011 9:16:32 AM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Bigun

From your mouth to God’s ear!


10 posted on 09/05/2011 9:17:21 AM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: marktwain

Somebody here should post the documents provided in the slideshow. They are pretty damning.


11 posted on 09/05/2011 9:18:15 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (aka Big Daddy Goo-Goo)
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To: basil

Just how widespread around the country is this insanity of the BATF to allow guns to be walked into the hands of criminals? Now I’m starting to wonder if any of the guns used in the 25 New York murders in the past day were the result of BATF ordering them to be walked into the hands of the murderers.


12 posted on 09/05/2011 9:22:41 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (aka Big Daddy Goo-Goo)
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To: PJ-Comix

What were Holder and obama’s handlers THINKING, to promugate this on our society????

What are “they” NOT willing to do, to nullify, eliminate or re-write parts of the US Constitution with which “they” do not agree????


13 posted on 09/05/2011 9:23:59 AM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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To: PJ-Comix

wide spread subversion of the system to facilitate crisis to enable public supported changes to society

Man, these people are wacko radicals of the worst kind

They should be criminally responsible for enabling a criminal to obtain a gun ...... In our law, police officers do not have immunity, they clearly say that someone who knowingly enables a criminal to obtain a gun is an accessory after the fact.

If they aren’t charged now, I expect the next Attn General to.....this is BS.


14 posted on 09/05/2011 9:24:32 AM PDT by dila813
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To: PJ-Comix

Nixon went down over a second-rate burglary to place illegal microphones, but Holder and Obama are responsible for multiple murders.....do you think the Washington Post is on this one.....?


15 posted on 09/05/2011 9:26:53 AM PDT by 230FMJ (...from my cold, dead, fingers.)
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To: PJ-Comix

Note to newcomers to this story: “Project Gunrunner” is the name ATF assigned to its Southwest Border Initiative to interdict gun smuggling to Mexico. “....This obfuscation. Bush’s DOJ was originally trying to find the extent of US arms going to Mexico. They reportedly said there is no “Iron Pipeline” and began to disassemble the operation. Holder and Obama figured if there is no Iron Pipeline, we will facilitate or make one to use as action to stop all selling of guns and ammo in the US.


16 posted on 09/05/2011 9:29:33 AM PDT by Safetgiver (I'd rather die under a free American sky than live under a Socialist regime.)
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To: PJ-Comix

I posted months ago that, anecdotally, dealers across the nation are reporting that they were also forced by BATFE to conduct purchases to straw buyers who failed NICS.

Someone needs to get dealers nationwide to report such forced sales to a single source (other than gov’t) such as the NSSF so we can create a record of where these sales were taking place and their frequency.


17 posted on 09/05/2011 9:30:34 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: silverleaf
What were Holder and obama’s handlers THINKING, to promugate this on our society????

Simple. Support for the Second Amendment has grown dramatically in recent years. Also gun dealers were fully complying with the background check laws designed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. So what to do? Work "under the radar" as Obama said to get the guns into the hands of the criminals via the BATF giving the green light to dealers to sell to them. Then when the gun crimes rise, blame it on the guns and win public support for more gun restrictions.

They thought they could get away with it but it BACKFIRED on them bigtime.

18 posted on 09/05/2011 9:33:53 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (aka Big Daddy Goo-Goo)
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To: Erik Latranyi

An oatmeal cookie to the first MSM reporter to collect statistics on gun crimes and traces back to the dealers to find out if the guns in question were allowed by the BATF to “walk.” And I still gotta wonder if any of the NYC murders in the past day were committed using guns that were allowed to walk.


19 posted on 09/05/2011 9:39:30 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (aka Big Daddy Goo-Goo)
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To: Lockbar
F&F: OBAMA'S REICHSTAG FIRE
20 posted on 09/05/2011 9:41:03 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


21 posted on 09/05/2011 9:43:04 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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22 posted on 09/05/2011 9:43:56 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: PJ-Comix

OK so...

1. F&F was in Arizona, Florida, and now Indiana —yet there was no, “national operation”

2. 3 WH officials knew, but Obama/Holder did NOT know

3. 200 Mexican cops and 2 US officers died

4. A helicopter was shot down with a .50

5. A casino was burned

I’d say this is JAIL TIME for POTUS, or Holder at least.


23 posted on 09/05/2011 9:44:02 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

Thanks for the heads up PJ-Comix

The list, ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/gunrunner.htm


24 posted on 09/05/2011 9:51:00 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Erik Latranyi
I'm sure many dealers would like to report if it can be done safely. Meanwhile, they're fearful of losing their license.

The wider that "secret" information is spread, the less likely it remains a secret.

25 posted on 09/05/2011 9:51:31 AM PDT by ken in texas (Can't Afford a Tagline... send money.)
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To: PJ-Comix
Let’s retrace the steps:

The Obama administration and Hillary Clinton State Department assert that most of the guns used in Mexican crimes come from America, and that in the name of regional stability "more restriction on law-abiding American Firearms owners are needed and the United States must sign on to the United Nations Small Arms Treaty.

The BATFE begins investigating this “claim”, and creates a “sting operation” to ensure American guns end up in Mexico. Then they force gun dealers to sell firearms to known criminals who smuggle the guns to violent Mexican drug cartels. Agents on the ground in this investigation said that it was a horrible idea, but the operations were authorized and supported by leading officials in the BATFE and the Justice Department.

The mantra of the anti-gun Left is simple: “never let a crisis go to waste.”

And if there isn’t a convenient crisis, go ahead and make one up.

This is exactly the strategy Obama and his anti-gun allies have been practicing for years.

They will use this “crisis” to ram federal gun control legislation down the throats of American citizens.

26 posted on 09/05/2011 10:01:20 AM PDT by ArchAngel1983 (Arch Angel- on guard / The democrat party "Can Go Straight To Hell".)
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To: dila813
wide spread subversion of the system to facilitate crisis to enable public supported changes to society Man, these people are wacko radicals of the worst kind

No, they are Marxists.

27 posted on 09/05/2011 10:04:04 AM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: PJ-Comix

These communists thought they could put the skids to our 2nd Amendment rights ‘under the radar’ because they thought the gunshop owners would be too scared of losing their license to rat on them.

Then the crackhead adolescents themselves started making demands on the gun shop owners who hired lawyers to remind them that they DID REPORT and the criminals were cleared by NCIS.

These illogical idiots screwed up their own damned ‘under the radar’ plan!

Jail them all, they are criminals! Not to mention freaking communists, and enemies of We The People!


28 posted on 09/05/2011 10:21:03 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: RowdyFFC
These illogical idiots screwed up their own damned ‘under the radar’ plan!

They probably smugly thought they were just so smart and smirking about how they could undermine the Second Amendment "under the radar." It never entered their tiny minds that they would GET CAUGHT.

29 posted on 09/05/2011 10:32:22 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (aka Big Daddy Goo-Goo)
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To: PJ-Comix

“And what other parts of the country did the ATF command that the guns be allowed to walk into the hands of criminals?”

I believe that it has also been reported to have taken place in Florida and Georgia.

This whole thing was developed to discredit gun dealers and enhance gun violence. This was not to trace guns to the drug cartels (nobody was tracing anything). This would shift public opinion to get gun control in effect before they attempted to take over the country, cancel the 2012 election, disbanded congress, and set up a revolutionary government.


30 posted on 09/05/2011 10:39:17 AM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country!)
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To: PJ-Comix

I have this sinking feeling that in the end, this will all be covered up.............and these guns certainly may have ended up in New York.


31 posted on 09/05/2011 10:50:33 AM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: PJ-Comix

What is going to be their total undoing is that think Americans are afraid of them, simply because the pansies in Congress don’t seem to be doing anything.

They haven’t a clue what they will eventually unleash upon themselves. If I thought Congress was smart, I’d think they’re holding back because they know what could unleash. But unfortunately we all know they’re just not that smart.


32 posted on 09/05/2011 10:50:51 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: ken in texas; Squantos
I'm sure many dealers would like to report if it can be done safely. Meanwhile, they're fearful of losing their license.

Lose their license? Only if they are lucky. They can be jailed for cooperating with the feds, and they know it. This is never documented, it's all done verbally. At any time, BATFE can "conveniently" discover the dealer was making known illegal sales, and burn him.

"The BATFE told me it was okay" would be disallowed in court as hearsay, and ridiculed. This entire process is designed to imprison both the dealer and the fed's snitch at the government's convenience.

33 posted on 09/05/2011 11:08:34 AM PDT by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: silverleaf

The Obamanites, the Left, the Democrats, this entire example that is mapping out our future, our direction with such authority are people that absolutely don’t get what this country is all about. They don’t understand self government, they don’t understand anything but BIG GOVERNMENT ala Monarchy, Matriarchy, Dictator, Strongman, Mother, or any strongly feared figure that thinks for them, guides them, instructs them, and if they are good is benevolent towards them, and they revel in the rewards reaped upon them by the powers that are.

The Democrats represent those sorts in our society. The ones that haven’t any idea that the freedom they have is because of their freedom from those sorts.


34 posted on 09/05/2011 11:13:53 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Ping!


35 posted on 09/05/2011 11:15:31 AM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: 300winmag

Excellent point sir.


36 posted on 09/05/2011 11:16:08 AM PDT by ken in texas (Can't Afford a Tagline... send money.)
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To: PJ-Comix

obama and Holder could murder children on the White House lawn and the old media would completely ignore it.
There is NOTHING obama or his fellow travellers can do that will turn the hard-core socialists against him.


37 posted on 09/05/2011 11:22:42 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: Bigun

Domestic Gun Walkers - whodda thunk it of Obama’s people?


38 posted on 09/05/2011 11:52:48 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles.)
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To: gaijin

I wonder if Drudge will pick up and feature this story?


39 posted on 09/05/2011 12:01:54 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (aka Big Daddy Goo-Goo)
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To: PJ-Comix

Before: Fail 2 cooperate, and you are jailed.

Now: Fail 2 cooperate, u r jailed. But if you DO cooperate, you’ll be jailed, later.

Why do they act like this? Because the left’s view is that we aren’t simply misguided, but instead that we KNOW we are wrong and that we’re KNOWINGLY choosing EVIL.

Because of that, they feel that special measures like F&F are JUSTIFIED. They regret getting caught, sure —that slows them down. But they do NOT feel guilt —they see their efforts as IDEALISTIC.


40 posted on 09/05/2011 12:08:48 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: PJ-Comix

It can’t be said to have “backfired” until the perps are legally dealt with. that depends at the moment on Issa and breaking into the MSM. For most of the population, even if they are not buying enough newspapers or watching network news enough to keep them solvent, those are their sources for what they think is reality, or at least the authoritative instructions as to what is important.


41 posted on 09/05/2011 12:10:01 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; Josephat; Prince of Space; ...
Better late than never ping!


42 posted on 09/05/2011 12:11:03 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Bovina Sancta!)
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To: PJ-Comix

Drudge has been SO Missing In Action on all of this it’s simply incredible.

I guess when you get to a certain level of income and fame the new mark of the “real professional” is indicated by which stories you DON’T cover?

That is the type of thinking that set the stage for Drudge’s success.

I refresh Drudge at least 10 times daily, but I’m truly, truly disappointed in him.

I’m shocked.


43 posted on 09/05/2011 12:11:26 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: gaijin; All
Why do they act like this? Because the left’s view is that we aren’t simply misguided, but instead that we KNOW we are wrong and that we’re KNOWINGLY choosing EVIL.

Because of that, they feel that special measures like F&F are JUSTIFIED. They regret getting caught, sure —that slows them down. But they do NOT feel guilt —they see their efforts as IDEALISTIC.

Yes, you are correct.

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. C. S. Lewis

44 posted on 09/05/2011 12:15:22 PM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: gaijin

I just sent a link to the article. If you go to the bottom right of the Drudge page there is a place to post news.
I suggest everyone do the same. Sort of like a Freep a poll.
Try it.


45 posted on 09/05/2011 12:44:02 PM PDT by fudimo
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

These guys, Codrea and Mike Vanderbeough at sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com, are as credible as it gets. Their sources have proven impeccable and they are solely responsible for what MSM coverage there’s been plus the hearings in congress.

You will NOT FIND better coverage, or more reliable.


46 posted on 09/05/2011 1:10:48 PM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: dcwusmc

Yup...!

http://www.sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/


47 posted on 09/05/2011 1:42:31 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: gaijin

I have been getting emails for about two months now saying that there is a Texas connection. According to these emails the Texas Rangers have investigated and are preparing warrants for Federal employees. I pray this is true.


48 posted on 09/05/2011 1:48:03 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Christian Engineer Mass
Codrea broke this story and so far has been dead on with his published info. He clearly has a good bead on it.
49 posted on 09/05/2011 1:51:27 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: dcwusmc; mad_as_he$$

“These guys [...] are as credible as it gets”

I don’t doubt that. But there are LARGE numbers of people for whom it needs to be in a big publication or it didn’t happen. That sucks, but it’s true. I would like to share this with some of them.


50 posted on 09/05/2011 2:41:23 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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