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French priests hit out at bikini-wearing visitors
The Local (France) ^ | 19 Aug 2011 10:35 GMT+1

Posted on 09/05/2011 9:34:30 AM PDT by DeaconBenjamin

Churches across France have become overrun by tourists in skimpy beachwear, showing off bare stomachs and wearing baseball caps, according to priests who have spoken out about the drop in standards.

A report in regional newspaper Midi Libre claims that religious leaders have tired of the increasingly disrespectful dress codes of some visitors.

“Our church is right by the beach,” said Father Martin Gabet of the Notre Dame des Anges de Collioure church, close to the Spanish border. “As a result, lots of people come in wearing their swimwear. There have even been people who come in just to change their clothes.”

It’s the same story in the jetset resort of Saint-Tropez, according to Father Michel Hayes.

“It’s getting worse and worse,” he told the newspaper, commenting that many come in with “baseball caps nailed to their heads” and then set about “having picnics on the pews.”

“We are in a society where people go unthinkingly from the beach to a museum, from a fast-food restaurant to a cathedral,” said Monsignor Bernard Podvin, a spokesman for the bishops’ association, Conférence des évêques de France.

Nor is Lyon's impressive basilica of Notre Dame de Fourvière, which dominates France’s second-largest city, immune to visitors' sloppy manners and sartorial peccadilloes.

Its rector told the newspaper that some visitors walk in “smoking or with their dogs” and are happy to “show off their bare backs, bare stomachs and even their pierced belly buttons.” He added that some wander around “as if they were in a train station.”

In the north-west town of Rouen, church administrators think they have found a solution. Visitors pass by staff who are able to give “remarks and reflections” on their attire before they enter into the main part of the cathedral.

“It might seem a bit uncivilized, but it’s proven to be really effective,” said Dominique Canu, a cathedral manager.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: catholic; clothing; dress; france; immodesty; modesty; morality; morals; religion
I was reading the thread about wearing Hooters shirts to mass, and thought I would offer this.
1 posted on 09/05/2011 9:34:34 AM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin
I was going to say "Rules"...but...

These people have no respect for religion other than Islam.
2 posted on 09/05/2011 9:37:21 AM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

they ought to get creative, set up some picnic tables and charge a fee


3 posted on 09/05/2011 9:39:31 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: DeaconBenjamin

I think there might be some opportunity hidden in here.

While the attire isn’t appropriate for church, God doesn’t care how we arrive. Maybe places set aside for such attire.


4 posted on 09/05/2011 9:39:42 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: cripplecreek

God might not care, but you are offending those who view the church as a place of worship.


5 posted on 09/05/2011 9:42:16 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: DeaconBenjamin

“many come in with “baseball caps nailed to their heads”

makes me recall Vlad the impaler’s solution.


6 posted on 09/05/2011 9:52:53 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: DeaconBenjamin
baseball caps nailed to their heads..

Now there's an idea whose time has come.

7 posted on 09/05/2011 9:54:00 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: cripplecreek; DeaconBenjamin
While the attire isn’t appropriate for church, God doesn’t care how we arrive. Maybe places set aside for such attire.

Perhaps they could have a rack of robes / jackets / skirts available to cover up those visitors who are not appropriately attired to enter the church. I've read here of some churches in the U.S. which do this.

8 posted on 09/05/2011 9:58:49 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: don-o

Another one.


9 posted on 09/05/2011 9:59:23 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (The Lovely Bride)
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To: cripplecreek

Maybe God would notice the respect they showed Him if they took the time to consider their wear.

Guess He would also notice that they did NOT consider Him worthy of the time to consider their apparel as they came to worship Him.


10 posted on 09/05/2011 9:59:54 AM PDT by oneaglewings
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To: cripplecreek; don-o
I was once a regular attender at a Russian Orthodox church that had a basket near the entrance containing small veils and scarves for the ladies, as well as some one-size-fits-all wrap-around skirts. I often noticed both regulars and visitors accepting these loaners, and never heard of anybody being offended.

Looked nice, too.

11 posted on 09/05/2011 10:02:27 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (The Lovely Bride)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Like I said, as there’s a place for “delightfully tacky, yet unrefined”, there’s also a place for beachwear, be it ever so abbreviated. Unless the presiding minister decided to do an impromptu open-air service on the beach, church is probably not it.


12 posted on 09/05/2011 10:02:51 AM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: thecodont

Yes! #11.


13 posted on 09/05/2011 10:03:37 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (The Lovely Bride)
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To: oneaglewings

At least they are coming into church! This should be seen as a positive—What they do is done out of ignorance—they must be educated—converted and brought to God.


14 posted on 09/05/2011 10:03:37 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Leroy S. Mort

I’m amazed by the number of men who wear their baseball hats into restaurants and sit there eating dinner while still wearing them.

Many of these guys are older so I figure they’re trying to cover their bald pate.


15 posted on 09/05/2011 10:04:26 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: oneaglewings

If God wanted us naked, he would not have sent us into the world fully clothed.


16 posted on 09/05/2011 10:04:26 AM PDT by tickmeister (tickmeister)
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To: cripplecreek
God doesn’t care how we arrive.

He certainly does. Attitudes like yours are the problem.

"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are fornication, uncleanness, immodesty, luxury," Galations 5:19

"But the fruit of the Spirit is, charity, joy, peace, patience, benignity, goodness, longanimity, Mildness, faith, modesty, continency, chastity. Against such there is no law." Galatians 5:22-23

17 posted on 09/05/2011 10:09:55 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Why don’t they have robes for people to wear?

Just put them in the closet at the back of the church and people can don them before they enter.


18 posted on 09/05/2011 10:11:50 AM PDT by dila813
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To: tickmeister

If you have ever been to the French beaches along the Med, bottoms are all the women wear and often they come off for the all over tan! If they want to arrive at church that way... fine with me. Bet it increases overall attendance!


19 posted on 09/05/2011 10:12:42 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: oneaglewings
Guess He would also notice that they did NOT consider Him worthy of the time to consider their apparel as they came to worship Him.

Jesus would at least wear a tie. Maybe not a pompadour, but then, he was old school.

20 posted on 09/05/2011 10:13:52 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: tired&retired

Must say though, the minimal clothing rule applied for ages 8 to 80+. Some things would have been better left unseen!


21 posted on 09/05/2011 10:14:39 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: Dallas59

To 2 - Please. I see people who in my opinion are dressed inappropriately in Church all the time. And this is in Virginia, not France.


22 posted on 09/05/2011 10:15:28 AM PDT by jla
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To: ladyjane
Many of these guys are older so I figure they’re trying to cover their bald pate.

My pate is getting increasingly bald, but there's no way I'd wear a baseball cap, indoors or out. They're the ugliest damned things ever devised.

23 posted on 09/05/2011 10:16:03 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin; Tax-chick; Judith Anne; Chode; All

http://www.catholichomeandgarden.com/Veils_And_Mantillas.htm

Need I say more?


24 posted on 09/05/2011 10:20:54 AM PDT by Morgana (I don't speak much...............but when I do....)
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To: jla

No respect.


25 posted on 09/05/2011 10:25:55 AM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Those priests may be on to something.

26 posted on 09/05/2011 10:29:08 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: Dallas59

In defense of these visitors, it’s worth noting that Catholicism has been thoroughly eradicated from French culture since the 18th Century, to the point where many of these magnificent churches and cathedrals have become little more than museums anyway.


27 posted on 09/05/2011 10:39:26 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: ladyjane
I’m amazed by the number of men who wear their baseball hats into restaurants and sit there eating dinner while still wearing them.

I learned rather quickly in the military, take that hat off inside, even in the mess hall.

I taught my sons to remove their base ball type caps while inside. They'd point out others wearing caps and I'd tell them, that's no excuse for you being uncouth too. I see it all the time and that's just what it is no matter who does it......Uncouth.

28 posted on 09/05/2011 10:44:17 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: DeaconBenjamin
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The solution is to adopt the same dress code as St. Peter's Basilica.

These are signs everywhere, but it's amazing how many people think these rules don't apply to them.

If you are dressed inappropriately, the ushers WILL NOT let you enter.

If you still insist on coming in, the user will make you buy and wear a pup tent sized paper poncho.

29 posted on 09/05/2011 10:57:39 AM PDT by PanzerKardinal (Some things are so idiotic only an intellectual would believe it.)
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To: cripplecreek

An outside altar might not be bad. Or even go to them-in California and Hawaii, I’ve heard of priests and ministers attend to surfers. Wherever the spirit leads...


30 posted on 09/05/2011 10:59:40 AM PDT by tanuki (O-voters: wanted Uberman, got Underdog....)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
"God doesn’t care how we arrive." He certainly does. Attitudes like yours are the problem. Isn't there also a verse on Jesus coming not to the saved but to those who need Him most?
31 posted on 09/05/2011 11:11:31 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: anyone

To those thinking the beachwear is fine in church, what would your grandmother have said to you if you had said that to her? Seriously.


32 posted on 09/05/2011 11:34:35 AM PDT by Coyote Choir
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To: Pollster1
You won't know if you're saved until your particular judgement, just as Scripture teaches. The saved are in Heaven not here on earth.

"Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but much more now in my absence,) with fear and trembling work out your salvation." Philippians 2:12 (emphasis added)

33 posted on 09/05/2011 11:54:51 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Pollster1

Apparently god runs a pretty exclusive club.

His self appointed bouncers sure are choosy. Wonder how they would feel about some bum in a dusty robe and sandals?

Funny how some folks read just so far and stop. I said it wasn’t appropriate but suggested looking for an opportunity to reach out to those inappropriately dressed.


34 posted on 09/05/2011 12:12:53 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: cripplecreek
His self appointed bouncers sure are choosy.

Having been a greeter at my church, I know what you mean. We had a homeless man come in one Sunday, dressed in his only clothes that had been worn for several weeks, and three of the four greeters made what I considered embarrassing efforts to avoid him. He was eventually properly greeted, welcomed to the service, fed, and otherwise helped, but the delayed welcome worried me and still worries me. Now, many years later, he is back on his feet and an active church member and adult outreach leader. God welcomes people as they come, rather than demanding that they be fully ready before setting foot inside the door. [Note: I do not think beach attire is appropriate, but I'd rather have bikini-clad people visiting and then learning what is appropriate, especially if the choice is that or having them turn away because they are not clothed in a more proper manner for church and never finding their way to Jesus.]

35 posted on 09/05/2011 12:24:52 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: PanzerKardinal
The sign reminds me of this...

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But I see the need for it.

36 posted on 09/05/2011 1:29:26 PM PDT by dragonblustar
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To: dragonblustar

I’m afraid I’ll never see again.


37 posted on 09/05/2011 1:48:27 PM PDT by DPMD (~)
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To: Pollster1

I think many of you are missing the point. The beach goers are visiting the church as an attraction, not necessarily to pray, or attend Mass or Confession.

The article also mentions that people are using the church as a changing room and “having picnics on the pews.”

If a homeless person came to pray, they wouldn’t be refused. However, if a gum-chewing, dog walking, half-naked gawker came in, they should likely be instructed on appropriate attire.

People should be expected to show respect in attire and in their manners.


38 posted on 09/05/2011 3:05:19 PM PDT by SpirituTuo
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To: ladyjane
I’m amazed by the number of men who wear their baseball hats into restaurants and sit there eating dinner while still wearing them.

Many of these guys are older so I figure they’re trying to cover their bald pate.

I'm bald and I never wear a hat. Of course, I look like Vin Diesel's older brother so it works for me.

39 posted on 09/05/2011 6:56:12 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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