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A Closer Look at the Houston Shuttle Snub
KTRK Houston ^

Posted on 09/05/2011 5:45:53 PM PDT by kelsiejackson

These days NASA is dismantling the once great shuttles, getting them ready to hang in museums all over the country -- except in the one museum many of us Houstonians think it should be.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: houston; nasa; politics; shuttle; texas
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The first word spoken on the Moon: "Houston." The American Space Shuttle program lifetime cost: $192,000,000,000 (approximate 2010 dollars). The NASA contribution to the Clear Lake, Webster, and Greater Houston economy: $5,900,000,000 Having an @sshole refuse the Johnson Space Center one of the orbiters: Priceless.

New York City, and their aircraft carrier, have as much relevance to the American SPACE program as New Delhi had to the American Revolution.
1 posted on 09/05/2011 5:45:59 PM PDT by kelsiejackson
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To: kelsiejackson

NASA has much higher priorities - like bowing to muslim sl*mes.


2 posted on 09/05/2011 5:49:30 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: kelsiejackson
Na na na na na na
Texas didn't vote for Obama
3 posted on 09/05/2011 5:53:11 PM PDT by Amagi (ObamaCare proposed a tax on Tanning Salons. That is RACISM STRAIGHT UP!)
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To: Da Coyote

Yes, I forgot: the Dear Leader had proclaimed NASA yet another addition to his “interfaith outreach” empire.


4 posted on 09/05/2011 5:53:27 PM PDT by kelsiejackson
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To: kelsiejackson
Please tell me again why anything connected with NASA should be in Houston.

ML/NJ

5 posted on 09/05/2011 5:54:08 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

Because it is?


6 posted on 09/05/2011 5:55:38 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ml/nj

LBJ was a former senator from Texas, and Kennedy’s VP.


7 posted on 09/05/2011 5:55:49 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: ml/nj
Please tell me again why anything connected with NASA should be in Houston.

Johnson forced it on NASA, but since then, Houston has been at the forefront of manned space flight. History matters.

New York deserved squat in this deal.

8 posted on 09/05/2011 5:56:28 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: ml/nj
Please tell me again why anything connected with NASA should be in Houston.

LBJ.

9 posted on 09/05/2011 5:56:28 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: kelsiejackson

It’s ok, pay backs a bit$h, and Texas native Rick Perry taking away Obama’s second term will just abour square things.


10 posted on 09/05/2011 6:00:39 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: kelsiejackson
Bolden is Obama's NASA administrator. Yeah - He voted for Obama. (Guess why.) /sarchasm

From the article:

He awarded the shuttles using a point system that gave no points for connection to space despite its inclusion in the law. But gave 20 percent of all points to international access -- meaning how many international tourists could see the shuttle. That's nowhere in the law.

"He essentially said, 'I care more about foreign tourists than I do about the community who built the shuttle,'" said Rep. Olsen.

Even though we specifically asked why, NASA didn't answer. And on the one chance we had to ask Bolden about it, he pushed us back to Space Center Houston.

"Go back to the folks at home and ask them what they got from their debrief," said Bolden.

They told us they didn't get answers either. In fact, Space Center Houston was never asked how many international visitors they get and two of the winning sites -- New York and California -- don't even record where visitors are from.

NASA awarded points based on the fact that foreigners come to Orlando, New York City and Los Angeles. Space Center Houston says they were never told 10 percent of points would be given for museum accreditation and that they would've gotten it if necessary.

And when it comes to the risk of transporting the shuttle, Houston lost points too. Apparently NASA thinks driving a shuttle eight miles down the road from Kennedy Space Center is just as easy as flying it 1,100 miles to New York City and ferrying it another 14 miles.


11 posted on 09/05/2011 6:02:07 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: ml/nj

Pssst...Houston we have a problem...seems nobody ever said, New York, we have a problem, now did they? Since there wasn’t a scientist one in New York that knew a damned thing about space flight.


12 posted on 09/05/2011 6:03:11 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Foreigners deciding where the American space administration will distribute American spacecraft in America. Brilliant.


13 posted on 09/05/2011 6:04:20 PM PDT by kelsiejackson
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To: KevinDavis

Thanks kelsiejackson.


14 posted on 09/05/2011 6:07:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: kelsiejackson

Umm maybe cause the shuttle will get between 500,000 to 1,000,000 visitors a year in New York City with an additional 1,000,000+ being able to see it without visiting the carrier museum. With all due respect, Houston would be lucky to get 1/4 of that.

They put it on the Intrepid because of all the locations it is the one that likely will reach the most people directly and indirectly.


15 posted on 09/05/2011 6:14:36 PM PDT by XRdsRev (New Jersey - Crossroads of the American Revolution)
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To: kelsiejackson

A Mosque should be built on the former Shuttle launch pads at Cape Canaveral.


17 posted on 09/05/2011 6:16:16 PM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: XRdsRev
They put it on the Intrepid because of all the locations it is the one that likely will reach the most people directly and indirectly.

They put it on the Intrepid because of all the locations it is the one that likely will vote democrat next election.

18 posted on 09/05/2011 6:16:57 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: XRdsRev

That’s an absurd reason for placing anything—if that were the primary concern (never mind that little thing called “history”), EVERYTHING would be in New York. While we’re at it, let’s pick up the Gateway Arch and move it to Newark, since it’ll get way more visitors than it does stuck in St. Louis. Maybe the Grand Canyon, too—freight costs might be a bit steep, but hey! It’s all about the damn tourists, right?


19 posted on 09/05/2011 6:17:40 PM PDT by kelsiejackson
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To: SandRat

lol — Ramirez is too good.


20 posted on 09/05/2011 6:19:30 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

21 posted on 09/05/2011 6:21:26 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: kelsiejackson
When he announced the placements, NASA Administrator Charles Bolden said was a tough choice.

Liar.

The decision was made for Bolden (one suspect the WH here), then Bolden made up the point system to fit.

It's so easy to see, and it doesn't even take a "rocket scientist".

One also suspects that Texans will not forget this, at all, ever .

22 posted on 09/05/2011 6:23:21 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Seaplaner
One also suspects that Texans will not forget this, at all, ever .

On the other hand, he knew already that it wouldn't matter if we did or didn't; either way, he had as much chance of winning our electoral votes as a snowball had of surviving a downhill roll into Kilauea.
23 posted on 09/05/2011 6:26:37 PM PDT by kelsiejackson
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To: kelsiejackson

Look I am as interested in history as anyone and I do agree that Houston probably deserved a shuttle but you have to look at this logically and not emotionally.

All of the shuttles are property of the United States taxpayer (albeit under care of the US Government). When deciding to place objects such as this, the amount of public visitation is a concern. It is not the only concern but it is important.

Shuttles were placed at several locations with direct ties to the program but which will receive relatively little public visitation. New York provided an opportunity to balance that with a location which will draw incredible amounts of visitors (many of whom are taxpayers and thus owners of those resources).

The Saint louis Arch is a rather silly example since there is only one and historically it is tied to one location and one location only (The Gateway to the West). The shuttles (plural) do not have the same historic cachet and provenance.


24 posted on 09/05/2011 6:30:24 PM PDT by XRdsRev (New Jersey - Crossroads of the American Revolution)
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To: kelsiejackson

Space Center Houston is the Official Visitors Center of NASA’s Johnson Space Center, which is the home of astronaut training and Mission Control.
Would it not be in line with historical rolls of the city that all tour directors must be sent to Huston for training and the opening and closing of the exhibits in the the various state should be controlled from Houston. When you walk up to one of the exhibits that you push a button to here a tape about what your are looking at it could be a live feed from Huston.


25 posted on 09/05/2011 6:30:43 PM PDT by ThomasThomas ( Congressmen should wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers, so we can identify their corporate sponsors.)
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To: XRdsRev

I disagree, and see no need in engaging you further. The administration already has a sufficient number of apologists: thanks for being yet another.


26 posted on 09/05/2011 6:32:00 PM PDT by kelsiejackson
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To: kelsiejackson


27 posted on 09/05/2011 6:34:38 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Muslims who advocate, support, or carry out Jihad give the other 1% a bad name)
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To: ml/nj

Oh let’s see.
Nasa’s astronaut training center is in Houston.
Ellington Field is a Nasa base.
Mission control in at Nasa Houston.
South Houston and the surrounding community has lots of astronauts in training.
LOTS of local businesses trade on the image of the space shuttle and of astronauts.
Lots of businesses are affected by the number of people employed at Nasa.
There is a local bar/grill that is a favorite hangout of future space travellers.
Johnson space center has lots of artifacts from previous space missions.
The mission control station from the early apollo days is set aside as a museum for visitors to see.

Ok, now for New York’s contributions to the space program.

I’m waiting.

This is nothing but a contiuation of baraq’s targeting our state. First, he transferred the manufacturing of military trucks from a non union plant in Sealy that had been making trucks for years to a union plant in Wisconsin that had never manufactured this truck. Then he screwed the offshore drilling industry with his drillatorium. Next he ignored the wildfires in our state. Federal help? Ha fat chance.
This snub was just another finger in our eye. OK fine, there kenya boy. We get the message

baraq has a special dark place in his heart for the State of Texas. He rates us somewhere around the place of Isreal.

What’s really sick about all this is that an acting president is actively targeting certain states for punitive actions. Guess he meant what he said about rewarding his friends and punishing his enemies.


28 posted on 09/05/2011 6:40:05 PM PDT by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: ml/nj

Where should it be and why?


29 posted on 09/05/2011 6:46:46 PM PDT by Figment ("A communist is someone who reads Marx.An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx" R Reagan)
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To: kelsiejackson

Has anyone heard the latest on the Space X F9 re-supply trip to the International Space Station? Supposed to be this year.

http://www.spacex.com/launch_manifest.php


30 posted on 09/05/2011 6:51:09 PM PDT by wetinseattle
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To: XRdsRev
New York and New Jersey contributed ZERO to the space program. The taxpayers there elect representatives who consistently vote against NASA and for Obama.

Dayton, Huntsville, Biloxi and Provo all have more legitimate claims to a shuttle than New York.

31 posted on 09/05/2011 6:55:25 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Texas resident

Who gives a rip about anything “federal” anymore? The fewer ties and obligations we have even the less they can control or bind us.

We should immediately give back all the education, Medicaid and highway money and just hold back on our meager contributions. Then we should fire up the refineries, tell them to kiss our backsides for drilling, make the corporate tax rate to ZERO, place all social security “disability” checks into a pool for distributions ever 2 weeks, and place state toll roads on the border to Mexico with the toll for all sea, air and land traffic to come to the calculated sum of the costs of illegals in our state.

We might have a tough couple of years but the new business would offset the parasites in a couple of years


32 posted on 09/05/2011 6:56:11 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat, they sh#t on.)
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To: Texas resident

“Ok, now for New York’s contributions to the space program.

I’m waiting.”

A popular saying in Texas 30 something years ago still applies as far as I am concerned.

“Let the bastards {in NY} freeze in the dark.


33 posted on 09/05/2011 6:56:18 PM PDT by IAMIUBU
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To: ml/nj

We’re in the central time zone.


34 posted on 09/05/2011 7:31:20 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: XRdsRev

Garden State reasoning on display!

The Garden State...runner up to the Porta John state.


35 posted on 09/05/2011 7:39:39 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Proud to be a RINO.)
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To: Texas resident

It is the Chicago way


36 posted on 09/05/2011 7:55:41 PM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Mouton

Screw New York. This shuttle belongs in Texas. They didn’t bleed and cry when Columbia blew up during reentry. Texans did. Ordinary citizens were out there trying to help, hunting down pieces.

I still have my t-shirt, their mission became our mission. One of the big recovery installations was the NASA Scientific Balloon Base in Palestine, Texas. We heard the booms, saw the debris across our skies.

Our ties to the shuttle are deep and long. New York has none of that, NONE and those yankee critters don’t deserve it. Keep your fancy crap up there. We don’t care, but the Space Shuttle was part of our makeup and in our Texas blood. Odummer can go to hell along with Rangle and all those all yankee bastards.


37 posted on 09/05/2011 8:12:14 PM PDT by 1scrappymom (Hooray for the Mavs!)
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To: XRdsRev; kelsiejackson; 1scrappymom

NASA decided to send Discovery to the Smithsonian in Washington,

Endeavour to California Science Center in Los Angeles,

Enterprise to the Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum in New York City,

Atlantis will stay at the Kennedy Space Center.

>>> They put it on the Intrepid because of all the locations it is the one that likely will reach the most people directly and indirectly.

Exactly. There are only so many shuttles to pass around. The distribution of the shuttles is reasonable on it’s face, even if other fair options were also available. With the number of craft available somebody would be left out and upset no matter how they were disposed.

>>> Screw New York. This shuttle belongs in Texas

If it helps the Enterprise sent to NYC is not an actual shuttle. It was simply a stripped down prototype for gliding tests off a 747. It never flew in space. NYC got the runt of the litter.

>>> The administration already has a sufficient number of apologists: thanks for being yet another.

There are bigger fish to fry. Knee-jerk responses are unimpressive. It devalues the effect when opposition is necessary on matters of actual substance.


38 posted on 09/05/2011 8:42:13 PM PDT by tlb
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To: XRdsRev
Umm maybe cause the shuttle will get between 500,000 to 1,000,000 visitors a year in New York City with an additional 1,000,000+ being able to see it without visiting the carrier museum. With all due respect, Houston would be lucky to get 1/4 of that. They put it on the Intrepid because of all the locations it is the one that likely will reach the most people directly and indirectly.

And they're gonna put it on the exposed weather flight deck because it won't fit in the hanger deck ... so guess how many years in NY weather will it take to completely corrode the thing ????

39 posted on 09/05/2011 8:56:04 PM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: kelsiejackson
The first word spoken on the Moon: "Houston."

Actually, I believe when the sensor on one of the lunar module legs contacted the lunar surface, the first words were by Aldrin when he said/confirmed, "Contact light."

40 posted on 09/05/2011 9:07:30 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: tlb

According to NASA, the actual #4 on the list who ‘missed it by THAT much’...was SEATTLE.

Seems the Museum of Flight’s credentials and visitor number weren’t QUITE up to snuff. Even so, we got one of the full-size, walk-through Shuttle mockups.


41 posted on 09/05/2011 9:14:38 PM PDT by hoagy62 ("Polls are for strippers and cross-country skiers”~Sarah Louise Palin)
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To: kelsiejackson

By the same logic - the 9-11 memorial will be placed in Orlando, or Washington DC.

Since the deciding issue is visitor traffic - we should be consistent.

Everyone knows this is just Obama and Dem politics al lthe time 24-7.

He is a joke - and anyone who votes for him is a traitor. First time around - being stupid is excused. But no one can claim ignorance now.


42 posted on 09/05/2011 9:17:38 PM PDT by Eldon Tyrell
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To: tlb

They can friggin rearrange it so Texas got one of the working shuttles. I was only pointing out that New York has no ties to the shuttle.

It is an emotional issue for many Texans and you don’t think that is important. Fine. For us it is and the reason why one of those birds deserves to be with the people who love it not stare at it like another piece of machinery. IT MEANS SOMETHING HERE.

This is important to us TEXANS. Maybe its just friggin knee jerk to you. Then get off this thread and post on something you feel passionately about. In the meantime, we have the right and the will to ask questions and demand answers.


43 posted on 09/05/2011 9:20:42 PM PDT by 1scrappymom (Hooray for the Mavs!)
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To: kelsiejackson

One of the heights of my professional career was to be working as an engineer at NASA in Houston during the height of the Shuttle program, and to see the movie “The Right Stuff” on opening night in Clear Lake, in an audience filled with my wonderful and amazing co-workers.


44 posted on 09/05/2011 9:56:16 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: 1scrappymom

I agree with you, I hope you did not read into my message I believed the shuttle should be going to NY...frankly I would not send a cent in money or property to that pisspot.

That move was a slap in the face of all Texans and all the red states in general. This guy is the most devisive force in the US since the Nazi Bunds of the late 30’s. He cannot get tossed out of office soon enough for me which means he can take his racist, anti capitalists, and pro socialists with him. My only hope is he ends up in jail sometime in the future where he should be sent to some hell hole for incarceration.


45 posted on 09/06/2011 4:23:27 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Figment
Where should it be and why?

Cape Canaveral, FL, for obvious reasons. And government installations like this should NEVER be located where they are because the Senate Majority Leader comes from that State.

ML/NJ

46 posted on 09/06/2011 4:44:19 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: tlb
If it helps the Enterprise sent to NYC is not an actual shuttle. It was simply a stripped down prototype for gliding tests off a 747.

Ahem. Enterprise IS an "actual shuttle". She's a twin of Columbia (the shuttles had differences between them, with Discovery, Atlantis and Endeavour being near-twins as well), and contains an enormous amount of space-rated hardware, including her airframe, payload-bay doors, landing gear, etc. What she doesn't contain are a flight-worthy TPS, crew cabin and a lot of the plumbing.

After the ALT series a decision was made to build up STA-99 (static test article #99) into OV-099 Challenger. The main reason for this was that it was easier/cheaper to build up STA-99 than it was to complete Enterprise's fit-out for spaceflight. However, for years there have been unsubstantiated rumors that Enterprise suffered costly structural damage when Fred Haise bounced her down Edwards' runway on ALT-5.

After Challenger was lost, consideration was again given to upgrading Enterprise to flight status. The reason she lost out again was similar - NASA had purchased a set of orbiter "structural spares" that could be completed into a new shuttle (Endeavour) faster and cheaper than upgrading Enterprise. AND it kept Enterprise waiting in the wings if there was ever a need for an additional shuttle ...
47 posted on 09/06/2011 5:07:04 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
They put it on the Intrepid because of all the locations it is the one that likely will vote democrat next election.

It should be noted that Chuck Schumer announced (via press release) Enterprise going to Intrepid 45 minutes to an hour prior to the NASA news conference.
48 posted on 09/06/2011 5:08:30 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: All; kelsiejackson

I’m sure Obama would say Texas already got its shuttle: Columbia.


49 posted on 09/06/2011 5:23:19 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Will racist demagogue Andre Carson be censured by the House?)
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To: ml/nj

The Cape couldn’t accommodate both. Try again


50 posted on 09/06/2011 3:07:17 PM PDT by Figment ("A communist is someone who reads Marx.An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx" R Reagan)
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