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Will Barack Obama condemn Biden and Hoffa for calling Republicans 'barbarians' and 'SOBs'
The London Daily Telegraph ^ | September 5, 2011 | Toby Harnden, US Editor

Posted on 09/06/2011 8:29:15 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

I enjoy political hardball as much as the next reporter. It’s barely concealed truth that campaign journalists, like the operatives we cover, love negative campaigning and revel in OTT insults and martial rhetoric. Even candidates often lapse into the language of “rip his throat out”, “tear his eyes out” or “drive a stake through her heart”.

It’s no secret either that many Republicans despise Democrats with a passion and vice versa. Just as British MPs hide their contempt of their opponents by referring to them as “the honourable member’, American politicians have their own, albeit less formal, ways of masking their true feelings with anodyne language for public consumption.

But the statements today by Jimmy Hoffa Jr and Vice President Joe Biden demean the presidency and, tactically speaking, are stupid own goals.

Hoffa, the Teamsters president, was warming up a Detroit crowd when he said: “President Obama, this is your army, and we are ready to march. Everybody here’s got a vote. If we go back, and we keep the eye on the prize, let’s take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong.”

Biden, whose mouth has long been a liability for Obama, was at an AFL-CIO rally when he told union members: “You are the only folks keeping the barbarians from the gates…the other side has declared war on labour’s house.”

These comments were not nearly as bad as the statement last week by Congressman Andre Carson....

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: barbarians; biden; cslewis; gagdadbob; hoffa; obama; onecosmosblog; teaparty; unions; unionthugs
If they think this scares the Tea Party, they no very little about it.
1 posted on 09/06/2011 8:29:24 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Will he condemn it?
2 posted on 09/06/2011 8:34:53 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Mr. Weiner...Don' t Tweet your meat. It's too late to delete!)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

The Register-Guard http://www.registerguard.com/

JONAH GOLDBERG: In Washington, the tea party is the sober adult

Published: Wednesday, Aug 10, 2011 05:01AM

“Is this a wake-up call to Washington?” NBC’s David Gregory asked Sen. John Kerry on “Meet the Press,” referring to the S&P downgrade.

“Well, it’s a partial wake-up call. I believe this is, without question, the tea party downgrade.”

Shortly after pointing fingers and assigning blame, Kerry went on to lament how Republicans insist on pointing fingers and assigning blame in this national crisis.

Over on the other channel, at least Obama political consigliere David Axelrod waited a while before getting to the same talking point: “The fact of the matter is that this is essentially a tea party downgrade. The tea party brought us to the brink of a default,” he explained on CBS’s “Face the Nation.”

Many on the right bristle at this, and they have many of the facts on their side. After all, the tea party’s only been protesting excessive spending and borrowing for two years. Some liberals want us to think that it was Washington’s failure to raise taxes to pay for the massive increase in federal spending under Obama that caused the downgrade.

But that’s not what S&P says. “Standard & Poor’s takes no position on the mix of spending and revenue measures that Congress and the administration might conclude is appropriate for putting the U.S.’s finances on a sustainable footing.”

Rather, what offended the fiscal pundits of S&P was the “brinksmanship” in Washington that failed to deliver a $4 trillion budget cut. That’s why we had the “tea party downgrade.” What’s odd is that if the tea party didn’t exist, there would have been no deficit reduction — and little demand for it.

And one could go on defending the tea party and the GOP in typical Beltway scoring fashion. The president’s first 2012 budget was a train wreck that would have exploded the deficit more. We’re well past 800 days without a Democratic budget from the Senate, while the House Republicans passed a serious budget — the Ryan plan — that would have avoided all of this months ago. Obama’s second “plan” was a frivolous speech. And so on.

But the usual Beltway scorecard is inadequate. First of all, we all deserve blame. This is a national foul-up of historic proportions and no party or constituency can completely avoid culpability.

And that definitely includes the tea party. A of lot people talk as if the tea partiers came out of the ground, like fully grown orcs, shortly after Obama was elected, ready to inflict “terror” and “take hostages” (to use the preferred lingo of the supposed lovers of civility).

This ignores the prehistory of the tea partiers. They’re largely core conservative voters who held their noses while spending ramped up for a decade under George W. Bush. Many rationalized their support for Bush against the backdrop of the war on terror or their fondness for the man generally. But when Obama removed what little conservatism there was in Bush’s “compassionate conservatism,” massively hiking spending even more, they rebelled. Enough was enough.

Liberals see it as hypocrisy. Tea partiers see it as finally getting serious, which is why they keep threatening to “primary” any Republican who wavers from the new sobriety.

If you’ve ever known anyone with a serious addiction, the easiest thing for friends and family to do is pretend it’s not a big deal. Who wants to have a confrontation? Far easier to let things slide and have a good time. “Let’s have a nice Thanksgiving without any arguments, OK?”

The tea party is like the cousin who’s been through Alcoholic’s Anonymous and refuses to pretend anymore. As a result, he spoils everyone’s good time. For the enablers and others in denial, he’s the guy ruining everything, not the drunk.

Uncle Sam is the drunk and the tea partiers are the annoyingly sober — and a bit self-righteous — cousin. Measured by spending, and adjusted for inflation, the federal government has increased by more than 50 percent in 10 years. Some have enabled the drunken spending; others continue to deny it’s even a problem.

The tea party is sounding the wake-up call.

If America didn’t have a problem, then there really would be good cause to be furious with the forces of sobriety. Nobody likes a party-pooper, especially the people hooked on partying.

Jonah Goldberg (JonahsColumn@aol.com) is the online editor of The National Review.


3 posted on 09/06/2011 8:36:42 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is the Pope Jewish?


4 posted on 09/06/2011 8:38:49 AM PDT by GnuHere
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Why would he condemn something he agrees with?


5 posted on 09/06/2011 8:38:59 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This is the rhetoric of desperation, not of strength. The unions know perfectly well that they'll never have a better ally than Barack Obama. His power is waning, and his time is drawing to a close.

Whether or not Obama condemns it, applauds it, or ignores it is meaningless. The unions are fighting tooth and nail for their very survival. Obama did what he could to help. The next President will not.

If the unions were to actually act out violently in large numbers, they'd be only accelerating their own demise. And they know it.

6 posted on 09/06/2011 8:39:52 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Will Barack Obama condemn Biden and Hoffa for calling Republicans 'barbarians' and 'SOBs'

No.

7 posted on 09/06/2011 8:41:24 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Biden, whose mouth has long been a liability for Obama, was at an AFL-CIO rally when he told union members: “You are the only folks keeping the barbarians from the gates…the other side has declared war on labour’s house.”"

C. S. Lewis:

"...And remember who the barbarians are. The barbarians come, not over the parapet, not carrying their clubs and wielding their weapons, but they come with polished fingernails and blue pin-striped suits, gathering in well-lighted conference rooms. They are the 'good' people who say that they know how to make life better for all of us."

bttt

8 posted on 09/06/2011 8:45:06 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Obamageddon, Barackalypse Now! Bam is "Debt Man Walking" in 2012 - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Steel Wolf
Many combat veterans like you, and myself BTW, know war is hell.

The hoffa mofo-pansy has NO IDEA of what he is desirous of in his declaration of war.

I'll bet his dad is rolling over in his garbage can in the Jersy swamps.

9 posted on 09/06/2011 8:46:54 AM PDT by Huebolt (It's not over until there is not ONE DEMOCRAT HOLDING OFFICE ANYWHERE. Not even a dog catcher!)
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To: Steel Wolf

In 2010, the union membership rate—the percent of wage and salary workers who were
members of a union—was 11.9 percent, down from 12.3 percent a year earlier, the U.S.
Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. The number of wage and salary workers be-
longing to unions declined by 612,000 to 14.7 million. In 1983, the first year for
which comparable union data are available, the union membership rate was 20.1 per-
cent, and there were 17.7 million union workers.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm

Unions continue to lose members and influence.


10 posted on 09/06/2011 8:51:01 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012 (PC)
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To: Matchett-PI

Great quote.


11 posted on 09/06/2011 8:52:03 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012 (PC)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oooh, so now I’m a barbarian hobbit. What an image. :-)


12 posted on 09/06/2011 8:52:30 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (Proud to be a bitter, clinging barbarian hobbit!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sure and Vanderbilt will be SEC champions in football.


13 posted on 09/06/2011 8:53:51 AM PDT by bwc2221
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To: All
Truth can be known by virtue of what even evil people must pretend is true.

The left opposes all natural hierarchies, and replaces them with a simplistic and artificial binary of race, or class, or gender, or sexual orientation. These destructive ideas appeal to the ignoramuses of the left, .. Every non-hierarchical society is divided into two parts, and Leveling is the barbarian’s substitute for order.

..Upton writes that the evil here "has begun to manifest an inverted power." This is power in the absence of truth, virtue, sobriety, Light. This is where President Obama parks his big bus, under which are all the people who became inconvenient and are no longer of any use to him.

HERE

14 posted on 09/06/2011 8:54:00 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Obamageddon, Barackalypse Now! Bam is "Debt Man Walking" in 2012 - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Steel Wolf
Many combat veterans like you, and myself BTW, know war is hell.

The hoffa mofo-pansy has NO IDEA of what he is desirous of in his declaration of war.

I'll bet his dad is rolling over in his garbage can in the Jersy swamps.

15 posted on 09/06/2011 8:55:11 AM PDT by Huebolt (It's not over until there is not ONE DEMOCRAT HOLDING OFFICE ANYWHERE. Not even a dog catcher!)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Ironically, at the rate that the economy is heading, the only surviving union shops will be for government officials.


16 posted on 09/06/2011 8:56:09 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He will do standard-issue moral equivalence. He will condemn in vague, general terms incitements to violence on both sides. He will not single out Hoffa. He probably won’t single out the TEA party either; he’ll just scold everybody as if all are equally culpable.

What do I win if I’m right?


17 posted on 09/06/2011 8:58:12 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And let us not forget the rhetoric of Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) that the members of the Tea Party can go to Hell.


18 posted on 09/06/2011 8:59:55 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Obama and the Dems - The flash mob raiding the Treasury.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama will of course ignore the comments and quickly change the subject, as the news media stoutly defends him while questioning the motives of anyone who does not. In other words: nothing different from the past 2 1/2 years.


19 posted on 09/06/2011 9:03:39 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: ilovesarah2012
"Great quote"

Thanks, I agree.

Hell will freeze over before Biden will admit that he, his 'RAT Party, and all the rest of the 'ruling elites' in D.C. are part and parcel of the true "barbarians" identified in that quote by C.S. Lewis. If he did, he would have to admit that they lie in the same bed as other barbarians they don't dare name:

"...I will stipulate that the majority of people who favor state controlled healthcare believe they have my best interests at heart. But so too do the Islamic barbarians who wish to impose on us a Caliphate worse than death. ......."Love thy neighbor" is one thing. But to imagine it is possible to love 300 million strangers if only we can extract sufficient taxes is lunacy. The philosophes behind the French Revolution loved everyone, as did Marx and Lenin. America's founders, not so much. ...."

bttt

20 posted on 09/06/2011 9:08:30 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Obamageddon, Barackalypse Now! Bam is "Debt Man Walking" in 2012 - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rush just said obama wrote it and told hoffa to say it... and Rush called them “Sons of bitches”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LLS


21 posted on 09/06/2011 9:10:25 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: Huebolt
When you have a guy whose father was a Mafia made man and he himself is just another union goon, and he says he's going to "take out" someone, he must be taken at his word ~ that's what he means ~ that's what he intends to do.

It's enough for a RICO conviction, so keep that in mind for early February 2013.

22 posted on 09/06/2011 9:10:37 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Matchett-PI
As I've been forced to remind folks many times before Joe Biden has had brain surgery 3 times unsuccessfully.

With this, we have to wonder if the sutures have come loose.

23 posted on 09/06/2011 9:12:19 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Boenher should make Obama’s Thursday night address contingent upon Obama publicly repudiating Hoffa’s incitement to violence.


24 posted on 09/06/2011 9:21:13 AM PDT by kevao
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Someone approached president Calvin `Silent Cal’ Coolidge and told him he had a bet that he could make the president say more than three words.
Coolidge’s response?
“You lose.”

The best advice anyone could give putative president 0bama?
“Quit digging.”


25 posted on 09/06/2011 9:24:03 AM PDT by tumblindice (Governor Ricardo Perry: "No border fence")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sounded like Frankie Five Angels in ‘2’ complaining to Michael about the Rozzato Bros. What will the Godfather
do (gotta check with Hyman Roth first)?


26 posted on 09/06/2011 9:25:45 AM PDT by RitchieAprile (breaking wind to the East..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think the closest “normal people” get to a Teamster is the UPS delivery guy. I plan to respectfully have a talk with the driver the next time he makes a delivery to let him know my opinion of Hoffa’s speech. I think we all should.

If I’m feel particularly P.O.ed that day, I might even have an AR broken down on the picnic table being cleaned.

Just sayin’.


27 posted on 09/06/2011 9:30:30 AM PDT by SnuffaBolshevik ("The trouble with internet quotations is that you don't know if they are true"-Abraham Lincoln.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“It’s no secret either that many Republicans despise Democrats with a passion and vice versa.”

No you have this wrong we do not despise all democrats we despise the communist democrats that have taken over Washington..they use the others as slaves since none of the others care one way or the other what the Communist in the white house is doing as long as he is black..

As for Obama condemning anyone like Biden or the others didn't you know the memos go out every morning from inside the oval office telling these morons what to say..They just look up new words and deffinitons every morning to paste on anyone other than their ignorant selves..As for Barbarian I think they have it wrong since that is what they actually are and have been called many times..I think they just looked it up one day after being called that and said hey yeah that is the word we will attach on to the Conservatives..

I think it is really funny since the word fits them to a tee..

Barbarian:1. a person in a savage, primitive state; uncivilized person. 2. a person without culture, refinement, or education;,,

28 posted on 09/06/2011 9:31:58 AM PDT by PLD
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Obama says he is proud of Hoffa Junior.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/05/obama_says_he_is_proud_of_hoffa.html

VIDEO:Obama “Get In Their Face” - Mob Tactics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxHjjJK3BUk


29 posted on 09/06/2011 9:32:08 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,get in their face” B.H. Soetoro Obama)
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To: PLD

Bingo.


30 posted on 09/06/2011 9:36:53 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hoffa, the Teamsters president, was warming up a Detroit crowd when he said: “President Obama, this is your army, and we are ready to march. Everybody here’s got a vote. If we go back, and we keep the eye on the prize, let’s take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong.”

The good news is Union workers will do a crap job building the concentration camps ( oops, reeducation camps) they want to send us to...it'll be easy to break out...

31 posted on 09/06/2011 10:20:33 AM PDT by GOPJ (126 people were indicted for being terrorists in the last two years. Every one of them was Muslim.)
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To: Huebolt

“The hoffa mofo-pansy has NO IDEA of what he is desirous of in his declaration of war.”

This mofo-pansy, along with his limp-wristed messiah, will be hunkered down in some safe bunker, servicing each other, while their lemmings fight any “battle.”


32 posted on 09/06/2011 10:20:56 AM PDT by jivin gene (Breakin' up is hard to do)
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To: Huebolt

We got the Black pansies training children to fight in their race war against whites. mexicans threatening war to take vack land lost in the war with mexico. Frigging Muslims threatening war and revolution against the USA and now union thugs threatening to take the SOBs (us) out.

I just wish somebody would stop the talk and just get it on, after we make an example of one of these groups we should have no more problems from the rest.


33 posted on 09/06/2011 10:25:41 AM PDT by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
No matter how you dissect Hoffa's entire speech, his message to his Teamster thugs, and all union thugs, was loud and clear.
This is a War and we have an Army. We will physically 'Take Out By Force' all Republican opponents, voters, and their supporters -- Tea Party member or not.
We saw what SEIU goons did at Town Hall Meetings. Hoffa has now thrown down the gauntlet and issued a FATWA.

Okay 'Jr', I guess it's time to finally Lock and Load. Then 'your Army' can 'Meet My Little Friend'.

FN FAL. aka: 'The Right Arm Of The Free World'
7.62 x 51 NATO / .308 Win.
[For When You Really Want To 'Reach Out & Touch Someone']

34 posted on 09/06/2011 3:35:38 PM PDT by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out consevatives'. Fine Jr - I'm your Huckelberry..)
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