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Feds to assume control of Bastrop Co. fire; TX volunteer firemen turned away
Gonzalez Cannon News Daily ^ | 9/6/11

Posted on 09/06/2011 9:07:28 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache

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Oh! Thank God....it's....the federal government.........................................sigh.
1 posted on 09/06/2011 9:07:33 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache

ahhhh crap...G’Luck Texans..Pullin for ya.


2 posted on 09/06/2011 9:11:47 PM PDT by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Must be some good Texas marijuana stands that need to stay hidden and protected.


3 posted on 09/06/2011 9:12:32 PM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Insurers and trial lawyers.


4 posted on 09/06/2011 9:15:04 PM PDT by txhurl (Did you want to talk or fish?)
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To: My Favorite Headache

We’re her from the federal government and were her to help. Time for a little federal commie payback.


5 posted on 09/06/2011 9:15:31 PM PDT by JoSixChip (Top 10% of wage earners pay 70% of total income taxes collected. Bottom 50% pay less then 3%, fair?)
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To: My Favorite Headache
God bless these guys who travelled from around the state to help the overworked local firefighters.

May God bless Texas and all who are being affected by these terrible fires.

6 posted on 09/06/2011 9:15:43 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: My Favorite Headache
A few years ago in Montana, the fires aropund Darby Montana were particularly bad and the Forest Service incident commanders called for a pull back.

They were simply going to let part of the town burn.

The locals defied the "order" and ended up saving their and their neighbors homes. They were willing to, and in fact did, risk their lives to save their property and were successful.

This is something beaurocrats and administrators and those the are marshalling sometimes find hard to understand. The King of England also found it hard to understand how indpendent Americans would stand for their own life and liberty.

There are times to follow evacuation orders...there are times people have to decide for themselves to risk what they will to save their own livelihood. When local people, with the same investment and understanding are at the helm, its a whole lot different than when someone like this comes in, pulls rank, and starts throwing their "imagined" weight around.

The people there in Bastrop seem to face such a situation.

7 posted on 09/06/2011 9:16:22 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: JoSixChip

We’re here from the federal government and were here to help. Time for a little federal commie payback.

Damn, spelling it wrong once could be overlooked as an accident. But twice?


8 posted on 09/06/2011 9:17:40 PM PDT by JoSixChip (Top 10% of wage earners pay 70% of total income taxes collected. Bottom 50% pay less then 3%, fair?)
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To: JoSixChip

In nine months every woman in the effected towns will be pregnant and the transfer lists for reassignment to the Pacific Northwest will be lengthy at the US Forest Service.


9 posted on 09/06/2011 9:19:17 PM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: JoSixChip

No problem at all. Good points.


10 posted on 09/06/2011 9:23:56 PM PDT by unkus
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To: My Favorite Headache
A friend of mine has been documenting the Station fire from first incident through today, how the forest has been recovering, and how the people themselves have recovered. Her organization just took possession of an old school property up in the forest, and to her surprise, inside she found some.. Well, best way to describe it would be ‘folk art’ created by those who experienced the Station fire first hand.

The Station fire was a 160,000 acre fire, almost all of it in Los Angeles county, with elevation of the fire ranging from 700 feet above sea level to 6000 feet, and raged for months. For a lot of people, they lost their homes and livelihoods from the fire, and many to this day still consider the response to the fire to be poor to just plain awful. Unfortunately, two firefighters lost their lives in the fire.

The folk art was obviously created by a local resident, and likely done while they were sheltering on the property with pretty much no hope of leaving for weeks. It was a depiction of a federal firefighter, and eventually it became a dart board for frustrated evacuees.

The most fearful words anyone can hear... ‘I'm from the government, and I'm here to help.’ I've seen the looks on people's faces when those words of doom are spoken, and honestly, for many, that was the instant they realized just how bad the situation was.

11 posted on 09/06/2011 9:24:46 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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Well there you go. what Texas needs is the “Burn baby burn” slogan.

Never fear- the gubment is here.

My sincere sadness for those who have and who will lose their homes and livlihood.


12 posted on 09/06/2011 9:24:46 PM PDT by handmade
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Give me a freakin’ break!! Who invited those morons to the fire!!!

Our volunteers are the backbone of our first responders.

How DARE they!!

/rant


13 posted on 09/06/2011 9:28:33 PM PDT by LUV W (Obama is E V I L!!! RUN, SARAH---RUN!!!)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Since the beginning of the wildfire season, Texas firefighters have dealt with more than 20,900 fires that have destroyed more than 1000 homes and burnt out at least 1.4 million hectares of land.

Man, we need some rain. It's gonna get worse.

The only thing going for Bastrop is the proximity of local lakes for the helicopter buckets.

14 posted on 09/06/2011 9:30:19 PM PDT by Palter (Even liberals need jobs.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

and Perry was in Bastrop yesterday, promising help....hmmmm...


15 posted on 09/06/2011 9:31:42 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Jeff Head

Prince John’s minions have made a decision.


16 posted on 09/06/2011 9:32:04 PM PDT by TwoSwords (Has anyone seen my suspension of disbelief pills?)
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To: LUV W
Several of the volunteers voiced their displeasure, however, at federal agents taking charge at the scene after appeals by Texas Gov. Rick Perry for federal aid following another series of wildfires earlier this year was turned down.

The article does NOT say IF another request had been sent for federal aid, but, sure reads like it could have been done. If these fires are on any part of BamBamKennedy lands they would not have to ask to take control.

There does not appear to be any rain coming in the near forecast and so given the drought this year a whole lot of work is ahead.

17 posted on 09/06/2011 9:37:47 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: kingu
im no fan of Big Guvment

but to be fair to the Forest Service Fire person, the Incident command structure of a sector fire is modeled after military protocols,.....you don't just dispatch yourself to Afghanistan and start shooting the place up, ....and you dont send crews into hopeless fire skirmishes to get burned up

18 posted on 09/06/2011 9:50:32 PM PDT by KTM rider ( with citizenship you get indentured servitude)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Do they mean the 'volunteers' that have certification levels above what the feddies have? Those volunteers? The ones that would put the smackdown on bullshit?

Yep, can't have 'volunteer' firemen showing up the 'professionals' from FeralGoob.

If they had any idea how stupid they look from here, the feds would crawl back home to DC.

/johnny

19 posted on 09/06/2011 9:52:48 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: KTM rider
And you don't turn away qualified and certified help. Unless you are unsure of your masculinity and need to make a statement.

And I'm pretty tired of the fire-fighter/warfighter analogy. Fires suck and are difficult. But they don't shoot back with YOU as the as personal target.

/johnny

20 posted on 09/06/2011 9:56:59 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: My Favorite Headache

bump


21 posted on 09/06/2011 10:02:26 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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Ronald Reagan said it best: "It's amazing what you can accomplish when you don't care who gets the credit."

FedGov ain't gonna do that, they are going to be stupid and assert control and watch it burn down.

I have very little to NO use for a feral gooberment. Waste of money, waste of time, and it just pisses me off. Better off to get rid of it.

/johnny

22 posted on 09/06/2011 10:03:30 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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as we currently do not have the time to hire, train and certify them

Because when it comes to the Feds, it's all about the credentials.

23 posted on 09/06/2011 10:06:41 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (0 - 537 They ALL must go.)
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And the fed, all being DC thieves themselves, assume anybody wanting to help must also be a thief who wants to loot the evacuated properties. Altruism has been completely bred out of their gene pool - the fed gene pool.


24 posted on 09/06/2011 10:16:28 PM PDT by txhurl (Did you want to talk or fish?)
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To: My Favorite Headache
“Any fire mutual aid requests would always come through (and to) Local, State and National fire service and emergency leadership. This message sent as per Texas Fire Chiefs, TIFMAS, IAFC, USFA and FEMA.

I am sure that the Joplin funds that were sent to the Hurricane Irene east coast will now be immediate re-re-diverted to central Texas.

Yeah.

.

25 posted on 09/06/2011 10:17:53 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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I have a home North of that area. I know the people responding. They live there or close to Bastrop. These folks are doing their best to help their families, friends and neighbors. When the fire is out the “ people in charge” “now” will pack up and leave.
Thanks/s
P.S. Glad you got your photo op. Will you be around next year if there is no fire? /SS


26 posted on 09/06/2011 10:18:18 PM PDT by glyptol
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As a volunteer firefighter myself, it’s frustrating not getting called out to help when the fire is close but out of your district. OTOH, I don’t know what these guys hope to accomplish if they didn’t bring “Vehicles that squirt water.”

Fire scenes are very chaotic, and you need a good command and control sytem to plan and execute strategy and tactics.. Freelancers can be a danger to themselves and others, but I do think more effort should be made to accomodate them if they are trained and willing..

I watched helicopters dumping water on the recent Los Conchas fire here in NM. It was like watching an ant piss on a campfire. They don’t put a lot of fires out that way. they’re used more to help create a defensive perimeter, or put down a small hotspot before it gets out of control.

In our situation, we’re a bunch of mostly older guys (and women) but we’ve had a couple of lightning fires to deal with this year, with the drought. Believe me, when reinforcements show up, we’re more than happy to accommodate them. It is the hottest, nastiest work you can imagine. Love it, though...

Prayers up for Texas. Been there, done that.


27 posted on 09/06/2011 10:25:37 PM PDT by moonhawk (The only problem I have with burying Bin Laden at sea is that he was already dead.)
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To: glyptol
I'm here and can't leave. F the 'people in charge'. I'm on the side of the guys that get stuff really done.

And WTF are you talking about photo op? I don't let family take pictures of me and the grandkids...

Oh, you had a /s there. I'm not terribly sarcasmic. I just want the bullshit to stop. And as far as I can see, the federal government we established has outlived it's usefulness. No sarcasm involved there. Just plain unvarnished truth. I'll take my state gooberment over a feral one.

/johnny

28 posted on 09/06/2011 10:31:45 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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I’m a bit confused. Earlier this evening you indicated you wanted the FedGov to come here to Central Texas and help. Now, you indicate that you do not want the Feds here helping with the fires.

Which is it?


29 posted on 09/06/2011 10:34:11 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: KTM rider

I don’t know of the credentials of those who volunteered but wildland fire fighting is very dangerous work and not for the untrained. Any incident commander who allowed unsolicited amateurs on a fire would be taking great risks with the lives of the volunteers, the public and the trained professional crews.


30 posted on 09/06/2011 10:39:33 PM PDT by cartoonistx
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To: My Favorite Headache

“Hello. I am from the federal government, and I am here to help you”.


31 posted on 09/07/2011 1:03:34 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter (I ou)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Only Union government fire fighters are necessary Volunteers will only get in the way of overtime.


32 posted on 09/07/2011 1:56:11 AM PDT by bikerman
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Uh-oh... Be careful what you wish for...

During the Hayman fire in CO the Feds’ interference did more to keep the fire burning due to their idiotic regulations (not allowing dozers to put in firebreaks, refusing to let people tend to their own structures at their own risk, etc...).

I’ll be praying EXTRA hard now for those in Texas dealing with these fires as dealing with the fire AND the bureaucratic BS is most likely going to compound this nightmare.


33 posted on 09/07/2011 1:57:57 AM PDT by LibertyRocks
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AMEN, Jeff! I witnessed the exact same thing in CO.


34 posted on 09/07/2011 2:00:39 AM PDT by LibertyRocks
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“They’re willing to sacrifice the lives of the people of Bastrop just so they can come in here and pull rank,”

It’s a slap in the face, and a put down to Perry. It’s a political move typical of the Democrats Politics 24/7, they will use for campaigning in Texas next year.

The asshats never miss a chance to campaign for their purposes no matter who loses a home in a fire.


35 posted on 09/07/2011 3:57:30 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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Well, this is what happens when you ask for Federal aid; the Feds will take charge of the situation...

My dad works for the USFS and is on a FEMA team...his own team is often frustrated by the red tape and gov’t ineptness, but they do their best. He got the activation call on Monday and flew to TX on the first plane.

The gov’t doesn’t take walk ins, you have to be on a fire team to fight the fire. They can’t take chances by sending out just anyone who walks in...that’s way too much to manage.

There’s such a thing called the Incident Command System that the feds use; during a disaster the ICS is drawn up showing who is in charge and how the fed and state agencies are supposed to work together. His team absolutely hates going to TX b/c people there are very unwilling to work with the system.


36 posted on 09/07/2011 4:15:27 AM PDT by fred4prez
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His team absolutely hates going to TX b/c people there are very unwilling to work with the system.

That's the best compliment for Texas that I've seen in a long time.

Yup, most Texan aren't sheep--we can think for ourselves.

Since these fires have been so hard to control, due to the heat, the drought, and the high winds I'm not sure anybody could have done a better job than was done.

Nope--we aren't too happy to have to deal with the feds--ever. This is one situation, though, that is hard too control. If the feds can get a handle on it, fine...but I doubt that they can do a lot more. There is just so much food to keep feeding these fires, and until they have devoured all or most of it, I don't think the fires will be put out completely.

37 posted on 09/07/2011 5:58:01 AM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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I heard a couple days ago about this supposed call for any and all firefighters with experience to show up. It was on local news but did not name WHO was making the call.

Leave it to some jerk to cause trouble during this disaster.

The REAL story is of the wonderful PRIVATE citizens that are housing, feeding and providing anything they can to the fighters and the victims.

How about a story about THAT?

As the fire was closing in on one mans ranch he was beating a drum and his cattle came running to him.
A woman rounded up her goats, horses and pets, she was on the side of the road with her animals and a man stopped and offered one of his pens for her animals.
A minister and his fam (personal and church) were feeding thousands when they found out they lost their home.


38 posted on 09/07/2011 6:06:59 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: My Favorite Headache
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the fires were set by some element of this federal government. If they can “walk” guns and get away with it, why not set fires too? This takeover is more like a cover up.
39 posted on 09/07/2011 6:07:44 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (If you don't vote for the best candidate, you're no different than a draft-dodger.)
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Actually, the authorities are trying to locate some teens who are suspected to have started the blaze.


40 posted on 09/07/2011 6:10:23 AM PDT by fred4prez
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So now Obama's going to burn Texas.
41 posted on 09/07/2011 6:11:37 AM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: blackdog

I know you’re trying to be clever. . .

There’s not enough moisture here to keep grass alive, legal or otherwise.

Give it a rest.


42 posted on 09/07/2011 6:20:17 AM PDT by Jedidah
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you don't just dispatch yourself to Afghanistan and start shooting the place up, ....and you dont send crews into hopeless fire skirmishes to get burned up

Fighting a fire is not analogous to war. There may be people in government who treat it that way, but the situation is vastly different, particularly in rural areas where local knowledge can be very powerful in dealing with a conflagration.

The unionized "firefighters" in this area have never seen my property. I've managed the vegetation around my home, but the terrain is VERY steep, so there simply is no possibility of denuding the slopes. Thus, no matter what anybody does, a fire coming in would from below would burn the house unless the situation is managed correctly.

With a chainsaw and about thirty minutes, I can have all the residual fuel within 100 feet on the ground. With a drip torch and about ten minutes, that fuel would be gone, safely, as a fire is easily managed from the top down (there is no understory fuel below the slope. I have a fire suit and hoses. I could do it ALL myself, and have a cup of coffee in the process.

Our unionized bureaucrat "firefighters" have NO interest in developing an advance plan for managing fire on this property, the same kind of advanced plan they have for every factory in the valley below (it's called a "run sheet"). Why not? They don't want to be responsible for managing a fire. It's easier to call it an "act of God" and let the claims adjusters deal with it. Then the insurers get to raise the rate base statewide. So, our "wild-land firefighters" (many of them women) get to sit and drink coffee, while collecting overtime. The prisoners from the State prison get to do the hard dirty work of mopping it up.

43 posted on 09/07/2011 6:20:31 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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and Perry was in Bastrop yesterday, promising help....hmmmm...

You caught that too, huh. There's a joke going around about needing a campaign picture of him lighting a fire. Big disaster + Perry doing a 'I got this' = Votes.

44 posted on 09/07/2011 6:20:52 AM PDT by bgill (just getting tagline ready for 6 months after you vote in Perry - Tried to warn you he's a RINO.)
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To: KTM rider

Thank you.


45 posted on 09/07/2011 6:22:31 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Jedidah
There’s not enough moisture here to keep grass alive, legal or otherwise.

You'd be surprised what native perennial bunch grasses can handle in the way of drought stress once they have a compliment of native forbs to prepare the soil.

I have sandy soil. It hasn't rained here since June. We have had 90°F temperatures here for most of three months. I still have green grass.

46 posted on 09/07/2011 6:23:51 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Jedidah
Thank you.

See post 43.

47 posted on 09/07/2011 6:25:26 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Just mythoughts
If these fires are on any part of BamBamKennedy lands they would not have to ask to take control.

There are NO national parks anywhere near any of these fires. They have NO business sticking their noses into our business. There are a couple of Texas state parks, but NO national lands.

48 posted on 09/07/2011 6:27:27 AM PDT by bgill (just getting tagline ready for 6 months after you vote in Perry - Tried to warn you he's a RINO.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Perry is free to attend debates, now.


49 posted on 09/07/2011 6:32:48 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Jedidah; KTM rider
Both of you had best confront the reality of Federal firefighting policy.
50 posted on 09/07/2011 6:34:58 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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