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Feds to assume control of Bastrop Co. fire; TX volunteer firemen turned away
Gonzalez Cannon News Daily ^ | 9/6/11

Posted on 09/06/2011 9:07:28 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache

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To: Carry_Okie
It is this kind of thinking that leads to Federal wildland firefighting policy.

These are the consequences.

51 posted on 09/07/2011 6:37:57 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: My Favorite Headache

If you read the comments on the article the displeasure is great here in Central Texas.

Obama is after Texas and anyone that doesn’t think so is very niave.


52 posted on 09/07/2011 7:11:41 AM PDT by Rightly Biased (Do you know how awkward it is to have a political argument with a naked man?)
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To: Carry_Okie

Not if you have livestock. Or even rabbits.

And nice that you got rain in June.


53 posted on 09/07/2011 7:27:03 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: JoSixChip

thought you were just addin a lil yankee drawl to their southern attempt at dialogue...


54 posted on 09/07/2011 8:12:45 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Rightly Biased
"Obama is after Texas and anyone that doesn’t think so is very [naive]."

I apologize if this has been covered, but who got the Feds involved? Did Gov. Perry request their assistance?

Last I checked, Texas was still a sovereign state. By what right are the Feds invading it?

55 posted on 09/07/2011 8:52:35 AM PDT by In Maryland ("If stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" - Mark Twain)
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To: In Maryland

I know Perry was asking for a disaster declaration... but I don’t believe it has been answered..

FEMA is supposedly on site but they don’t have any ahem “money” anyway... its been spent in the blue states

It seems Obama isn’t “wasting a crisis”


56 posted on 09/07/2011 9:00:36 AM PDT by Rightly Biased (Do you know how awkward it is to have a political argument with a naked man?)
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To: Jedidah
Not if you have livestock.

If I had livestock it would be better. I mowed it to the ground in early August; it came right back up. Last year, it went from late May to October, still green and NO rain in that entire time. The soil is intrinsically lousy, but at least is is not suffering the allelopathic and dessicating effects of non-native annual grasses and other broad-leaf weeds.

Of course, I hand-weed it, acres, seven months a year, full-time. I am told by people who should know that ours is perhaps the only restored grassland in North America that is as purely native. You can read more about our project here.

57 posted on 09/07/2011 9:19:27 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: My Favorite Headache

Zero is doing this to make Perry look bad... leaving an emergency situation in Texas to go to the debates.

Zero will have single-handedly snuffed out the fire, just like he single-handedly killed OBL


58 posted on 09/07/2011 9:59:27 AM PDT by Future Useless Eater (Chicago politics = corrupted capitalism = takeover by COMMUNity-ISM)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Isn’t a volunteer, who is willing to put their life on the line for people they will never meet what TX needs right now?

Are the feds going to allow TX to burn to the ground? Doesn’t sound good.


59 posted on 09/07/2011 10:00:41 AM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded." Andrew Klavan of PJTV)
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To: Carry_Okie

I own native grassland, never been plowed.

If green bothers you that much, get a goat.


60 posted on 09/07/2011 10:02:34 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: bigbob
"and Perry was in Bastrop yesterday, promising help....hmmmm...

Just like mclaim "halted" his campaign to help pass stimulus?

61 posted on 09/07/2011 10:03:59 AM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded." Andrew Klavan of PJTV)
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To: Drill Thrawl
'as we currently do not have the time to hire, train and certify them'

Volunteer fireman have been around forever. They know what the hell they're doing.

If, God forbid, I ever have a fire in my house, am I supposed to wait to "hired, trained and certified" to put it out?

62 posted on 09/07/2011 10:07:14 AM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded." Andrew Klavan of PJTV)
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To: My Favorite Headache

These three BREAKING NEWS headlines occurring in this order (newest to oldest) tells the whole story...

-Feds to assume control of Bastrop Co. fire; TX volunteer firemen turned away

-Confirmed: Perry scheduled to leave wildfires for GOP debate

-Rick Perry: Because of the Texas fires, I’m not sure I’ll make the debate tomorrow night


63 posted on 09/07/2011 10:14:14 AM PDT by Future Useless Eater (Chicago politics = corrupted capitalism = takeover by COMMUNity-ISM)
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To: My Favorite Headache

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46009

Interesting conflict over aviation contract for fire-fighting fleet.

Perry & Texas being hamstrung again!!!


64 posted on 09/07/2011 10:36:24 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair: Man's surrender. Laughter: God's redemption.)
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To: Carry_Okie
It hasn't rained here since June. We have had 90°F temperatures here for most of three months. I still have green grass.

It basically hasn't rained in Texas since last September. We have had less than 10" since Sep, and nothing over .75 at any given time. The past 12 months will be the driest ever recorded. We have had over 70 days of 100+ here, and not much is green anymore.

65 posted on 09/07/2011 10:44:23 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, please let it rain in Texas. Amen.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

And, it looks like no real chance of rain ‘til November.


66 posted on 09/07/2011 11:13:22 AM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: My Favorite Headache

Do not presume that Federal intentions are beneficial for Texas. Texas did not actually ask for the feds to step in, did they?

Unfortunately I have so little trust in the system that I can fully believe that the feds will let Texas burn so that Obama can use it in a campaign ad against Rick Perry (”I had to clean up his mess ...”).


67 posted on 09/07/2011 11:34:32 AM PDT by icanhasbailout
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To: SuzyQue

I heard that last week. I never thought we would be praying for a hurricane or tropical storm, but that is what I am doing.


68 posted on 09/07/2011 11:49:54 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, please let it rain in Texas. Amen.)
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To: rockinqsranch

Well...if Bammy is doing this to make Perry look bad, I guess he’s willing to be personally responsible for the fires in Texas from the moment he “took over.”

He’s not very smart to be doing this to raise himself politically because of the risks involved if and when FEMA screws up.

Texas is hurting. Pray for rain.


69 posted on 09/07/2011 12:51:02 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Palter

There’s part of the problem-——who the bleep started measuring Texas land in “hectares”??? Is the United Nations involved? That’s gotta be a guy who’s never seen a Texas ranch or any other ranch for that matter.


70 posted on 09/07/2011 12:57:04 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: NoGrayZone
Yes you are. Just like the fire and police in CA let a man die in waist deep water because no one there was trained in water rescue.

It's not a matter of manpower or even the skills that a volunteer may have that matters, it's the credentials. Why you may ask. Lawsuits.

71 posted on 09/07/2011 1:20:45 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (0 - 537 They ALL must go.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

“He was really a (bleep) about it.”

Word games are fun!

Let me guess....a.....RUNT!!


72 posted on 09/07/2011 1:35:40 PM PDT by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: Michael Barnes

Gonna need it.

But I gotta ask...why is ZerØ offering federal assistance now, when all this past year, he’s avoided sending $ to Texas?


73 posted on 09/07/2011 1:57:31 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (Provide for the common defense.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

One starts to suspect that they are trying burn Texas to the Ground.


“We were at the station getting set up into strike teams, and this guy came up and said that the U.S. Forest Service had ‘assumed control of the situation, and that ‘If you don’t have a vehicle that squirts water, go home,’” said Gordon Greer of Kirbyville, who drove all night Monday to arrive in the town beset by the worst wildfire in Texas history. “You’ve got guys who had driven all night long from Corpus Christi and Brownsville on their own dime, and they turned them away. He was really a (bleep) about it. “

Seriously does the U.S. forest service know anything about fighting fires in desert conditions? Much of it is not about “squirting water” its about clearing land and erecting fire barriers.

Even the Texas National guard can do that under the supervision of firefighting experts. They don’t need no hoses or water, they just need a strong back, knowledge about setting up fire barriers and a shovel.


74 posted on 09/07/2011 2:38:45 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: My Favorite Headache

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46009
Obama cut over 40% of fire fighting plane contracts five weeks ago.


75 posted on 09/07/2011 4:07:56 PM PDT by NorwegianViking
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To: My Favorite Headache

The IT manager at work is a volunteer fire department captain in west Katy, TX. He told me he spent the weekend fighting the Montgomery County fires, they lost 7 houses and a truck. He told me it is a tinderbox, and that he ran from a fire for the first time in his life. He said the walls of flames were 20 to 30 feet high in the semi rural part of the county.


76 posted on 09/07/2011 5:11:31 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: JRandomFreeper

My analogy was to the Incident Command Structure, not comparing wildland fire fighting to ground combat, I have no idea what combat is like, although I will say that in my youth (1977-1983) I actively participated in 47 southern california wildfires with the USFS on engines and Helitack, I saw an engine foreman burned to a screaming mass of charred flesh, saw a retardant dropping aircraft crash before my eyes, watched as a helicopter was struck by a train, medivaced a beautiful girl I knew who fell into a hidden bed of coals and was horribly maimed beyond belief, got heatstroke, went to put out a fisherman who was hit by lightening and exploded, yanked a dead rotted person out of crashed car for the CHP slept in my boots for weeks at a time with scarce food and no shower, fought fire by hand constructing line for miles and had to run for my life more than once, stayed up many nights in a row holding line out in the wilderness, gone with no water for days, I fought fire with a passion and commitment to the mission, as did most of my fellows on the line, and i take exception to some of the posters cavalier bashing and armchair quarterbacking of something they know little about


77 posted on 09/07/2011 6:45:15 PM PDT by KTM rider ( with citizenship you get indentured servitude)
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To: Carry_Okie

I am no fan of the government beauracracy but this article is full of factual bits rolled into an emotionally biased ball of hyperbole aimed at making a subjective point that it is the fault of the federal government because it failed to stop an overwhealming force of nature


78 posted on 09/07/2011 6:55:09 PM PDT by KTM rider ( with citizenship you get indentured servitude)
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To: KTM rider
I am no fan of the government beauracracy but this article is full of factual bits rolled into an emotionally biased ball of hyperbole aimed at making a subjective point that it is the fault of the federal government because it failed to stop an overwhealming force of nature

Force of nature? The same people who spend billions in firefighting allowed the fuel in that forest to develop to catastrophic levels. It's the same all over the country. They know better too, as the Cone Fire showed. It doesn't matter if it was Rodeo-Chediski, Los Alamos, or San Bernardino, in every case they were warned and in every case the Forest Service did nothing. In every case there are hearings with lots of experts telling them the same things. And in every case they cave to the leftist eco-freak agents of those with investments in selling timber from abroad. The top level reason is politics and money, while the agency staff celebrates a culture of institutional incompetence and goes back to collecting overtime on "firefighting." Over forty percent of the agency budget is for lawsuits, not management.

"Overwhelming force of nature"? Human nature, maybe.

79 posted on 09/07/2011 10:46:44 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: cartoonistx

*cough* (bullshit) *cough*

I wasn’t “trained” when I fought my first wild fire, I didn’t have a “Vehicle that squirts water”, and the old couple who were fixing to watch their house burn to the ground didn’t care that I wasn’t trained either.

Dangerous yes, but when you’re exhausted, no sleep, no help, and some asshat turns away help...

Not going to give a sermon here, but if we ain’t here to HELP each other, especially in situations like this, than what the hell are we here for?

Any good “Commander” would have know how to handle volunteers, we ain’t talking civillians here, and made use of them.


80 posted on 09/07/2011 11:25:20 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: LibertyRocks
[During the Hayman fire in CO the Feds’ interference did more to keep the fire burning due to their idiotic regulations]

Uhuh.   And the Federal employee who started that fire in the first place, with her "love letter", says she's really sorry... and that folks should just get on with their [burned up] lives.
 
 

81 posted on 09/08/2011 5:00:48 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Shadowstrike

Something is real fishy about all this.
The feds would not help with the spring fires. baraq flew over them in West Texas to make a bs speech in El Paso about how safe our border is. baraq will send all kinds of federal help to his voters, but he has a special hatred for this state. Now the feds are coming in to fight the fires?
The fire captains won’t turn down help, but when the feds come in and send locals home? What’s up with that? The locals know the area.
something’s up.


82 posted on 09/08/2011 5:34:47 AM PDT by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: Jedidah
I own native grassland, never been plowed.

This land has never been plowed.

That's starthistle.

This land has never been plowed.

That's kudzu.

This land has never been plowed.

That's cheat.

Now, I'm not saying your property looks like that, but if you think that plowing or not denotes "native," you probably don't have any idea what I have been saying, so let me be more explicit. I mean that our land (other than our vegetable boxes) is ALL NATIVE SPECIES, right down to the tiniest forb, including every blade of grass. The restoration project on our land started as with overgrown fuel bomb infested with introduced species for over 150 years that we know of. Yes, I weed it all (and our neighbors' properties too), seven months a year, much of it on my hands and knees, many times, nearly 25 acres of it.

Unless you have studied botany extensively, I seriously doubt that you even know all the grass and forb species you have, much less have measured them quantitatively. Vegetative transects on our meadows measure 99.6% pure native plants, most of them forbs. We have documented 355 plant species here, with meadows having as many as 40 within ten feet (we started with less than 60). There are 33 species of grasses, rushes, and sedges here alone. In fact, I have been asked to publish these results in an academic journal, as they are unprecedented in the field of "restoration ecology."

So, when I said "native perennial bunch grasses," it really is a distinction with a difference, especially when their associated native forbs are included. That we have green grass (and especially sedges) atop a hot sunny ridge at the end of summer deep in the Coastal mountains of California is unheard of. The difference is that we have virtually all native plants under a uniquely strict degree of control.

If green bothers you that much, get a goat.

What a stupid thing to say. If you are so lazy that you haven't checked out who I am and what I've done on this forum in the area of exposing enviro-racketeering in government land management, if you read what I said and posted to you carefully and understood the commitment it to our land it denoted, then this is my last polite post to you, and believe me, I can get very nasty with a demonstrably-ignorant jerk like you. The good news for you is that for now I won't go to much of an effort, because you are clearly incapable of comprehending what you are reading, much less sufficiently diligent to check things out.

As it is, I want a pair of St. Croix sheep because I want my grasslands even more productive. Once I've finished the conference center and built a barn, I will.

83 posted on 09/08/2011 6:58:06 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Carry_Okie

Sheesh.

I’m talking native Texas prairie. Native plants. Like the good Lord created it, well-maintained in its native state by my family for well over a century.

Nice that you have a project and the time, money, and energy to spend on it. But you might want to think about working on your attitude and excessive arrogance. We’ve been at this since before you were born.


84 posted on 09/08/2011 8:19:55 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Jedidah
I’m talking native Texas prairie. Native plants. Like the good Lord created it, well-maintained in its native state by my family for well over a century.

Yup, you're well meaning but ignorant all right.

We’ve been at this since before you were born.

No, you haven't, because the Spanish and their exotic grasses had their way with that land long before your family ever saw it.

85 posted on 09/08/2011 9:12:16 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: My Favorite Headache

Oh great.

Retaliation for TX standing up to them.

Time to pray that some of the rain we’ve been getting will head down their way.

God help TX.


86 posted on 09/08/2011 10:25:57 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: cartoonistx
unsolicited amateurs

They may be volunteers, but Volunteer Firefighters typically not amateurs in the inexperienced sense of the word. Just because they are not paid firefighters does not mean they are not trained nor capable.

As for unsolicited, when disasters are this out of control, good people like to do what they can do. The feds are not God, and they sure as hell do not have ultimate authority on private property. This isn't war or a riot, it is a fire.

87 posted on 09/08/2011 3:30:25 PM PDT by SteamShovel (Smart Grid is Stupid)
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